FINALLY
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Zombo said:
I liked Colt McCoy before you.Zombo
Sorry buddy, but I wanted him all the time and made that clear..................and would not have waited till round three.......but you keep spewing ......the twerps eat up the spewing
anyways good times are coming.............now that we have a dime a dozen OLINE...........and a franchise QB..........and useless WR's and one overachieving RB...........
but a franchise QB......over time with astute management makes all the dumb stuff seem smart
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Some say he’s a ninja, rumor has it he’s Superman,
Hes got the heart of a lion, still hes as gentle as old Peter Pan,
All you Hatfields better beware, I heard he’s stronger than a Kodiak bear,
He’s your real deal, he’s no decoy, he’s still his mama’s little pride and joy.
Hey, when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy,
He’s the true gun-slinging inspiration to every small town country boy,
Having cool friends like Jordan Shipley,
(Well ain’t no singers singin’ songs about me)
Well when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy.
Everybody and their dog is doggin’ on the little quarterback from Jim Ned,
Too short too slow and way too skinny, its what the headlines read.
So he hit the weights, protein shakes, and lord behold, he started to grow,
Now he’s gettin’ sick and tired of people getting fired up, for rubbing elbows with Tim Tebow.
Hey, when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy,
He’s the true gun-slinging inspiration to every small town country boy,
Having cool friends like Jordan Shipley,
(Well ain’t no singers singin’ songs about me)
Well when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy.
There’s a new sheriff in town,
Shaking hands and kissing babies,
Throwing lazer beam touchdowns.
Hey, when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy,
He’s the straight shootin’ gun inspiration to every small town country boy,
I’d have cool friends like Jordan Shipley,
(Well ain’t no singers singin’ songs about me)
Well when I grow up I wanna be just like Colt McCoy.
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We might have a future sheriff in town but we need to be sure before the draft
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We might have a future sheriff in town but we need to be sure before the draft
We might have a future sheriff in town but we need to be sure before the draft
sure of what that we are dismal..........otherwise.............stick with this gambit.......get some WR's and RB's and impact players on D and let it play out
ten years of garbage and you want to be sure now.............oh my?
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I want the fastest, surest way to the superbowl. ASSUMING that colt is the guy after one game is what we have done in the past. We ASSUMED that we had a great QB in Couch, we ASSUMED holcomb would rather be a starter here thna a backup, we ASSUMED that Anderson/Quinn were as good as their best games. We have done a lot of ASSUMING in the past 10+ years and where has it put us?
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Colt did a Fine Job I am very Proud of him off to New orleans Oh boy.
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I want the fastest, surest way to the superbowl. ASSUMING that colt is the guy after one game is what we have done in the past. We ASSUMED that we had a great QB in Couch, we ASSUMED holcomb would rather be a starter here thna a backup, we ASSUMED that Anderson/Quinn were as good as their best games. We have done a lot of ASSUMING in the past 10+ years and where has it put us?
I want the fastest, surest way to the superbowl. ASSUMING that colt is the guy after one game is what we have done in the past. We ASSUMED that we had a great QB in Couch, we ASSUMED holcomb would rather be a starter here thna a backup, we ASSUMED that Anderson/Quinn were as good as their best games. We have done a lot of ASSUMING in the past 10+ years and where has it put us?
Somebody assumed Couch, NOT ME, somebody loved Butch and Warren and Brown and Winslow, not me, somebody assumed IN SAVAGE WE TRUST NOT ME, somebody went bonkers over getting FAT TED and TAP DANCER Lewis NOT ME. somebody loved Quinn NOT Me.......somebody was all positive while I was negative......I WUZ RIGHT............
now I am positive and said what we need to do..............go ahead ...........assume I am wrong after being right for ten years
Bottom line once again we finally have a Qb and competent management.........I hope they understand OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS and fix the glaring absence of skilled offensive players.....I think they do and I think they will fix it and I think we are vastly upside NOW
go see Secretariat and see how that colt colt be stopped by defense
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I want the fastest, surest way to the superbowl. ASSUMING that colt is the guy after one game is what we have done in the past. We ASSUMED that we had a great QB in Couch, we ASSUMED holcomb would rather be a starter here thna a backup, we ASSUMED that Anderson/Quinn were as good as their best games. We have done a lot of ASSUMING in the past 10+ years and where has it put us?
I want the fastest, surest way to the superbowl. ASSUMING that colt is the guy after one game is what we have done in the past. We ASSUMED that we had a great QB in Couch, we ASSUMED holcomb would rather be a starter here thna a backup, we ASSUMED that Anderson/Quinn were as good as their best games. We have done a lot of ASSUMING in the past 10+ years and where has it put us?
Everyone knows that assuming makes an ASS of U and ME.
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I would use caution in over-interpreting what Colt did yesterday. I won't say that I'm not giddy inside because he showed me a lot but I'd like to see that more than just once. Deep down, I think he's going to be the man but to quote Bill Parcells "Let's not reserve a bust for him in Canton just yet...".
Colt did show us many things that I loved about him at Texas and I won't say it was a mirage because it wasn't. I am quietly curious to see what he does from here. I wouldn't call New Orleans a bad defense but they aren't "Steeler Good". They had trouble with Carolina. The 4-3 could be easier for him to read. We will know more once we see him follow it up. The Saints are a great team but they can be had if the Browns bring their "A" game.
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Colt is a winner. He proved that way before yesterday and thats why the coaches didnt want him playing this year so he could study the pro game, however he looks more ready than anyone the Browns have put on the field in 10 years. I can tell already that I am going to hate this kid as much as I hated Kosar.
Do you guys think you should sit Colt when Jake or Seneca comes back or continue to start him?
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Colt is a winner. He proved that way before yesterday and thats why the coaches didnt want him playing this year so he could study the pro game, however he looks more ready than anyone the Browns have put on the field in 10 years. I can tell already that I am going to hate this kid as much as I hated Kosar.
Do you guys think you should sit Colt when Jake or Seneca comes back or continue to start him?
Colt is a winner. He proved that way before yesterday and thats why the coaches didnt want him playing this year so he could study the pro game, however he looks more ready than anyone the Browns have put on the field in 10 years. I can tell already that I am going to hate this kid as much as I hated Kosar.
Do you guys think you should sit Colt when Jake or Seneca comes back or continue to start him?
I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
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I would use caution in over-interpreting what Colt did yesterday. I won't say that I'm not giddy inside because he showed me a lot but I'd like to see that more than just once. Deep down, I think he's going to be the man but to quote Bill Parcells "Let's not reserve a bust for him in Canton just yet...".
Colt did show us many things that I loved about him at Texas and I won't say it was a mirage because it wasn't. I am quietly curious to see what he does from here. I wouldn't call New Orleans a bad defense but they aren't "Steeler Good". They had trouble with Carolina. The 4-3 could be easier for him to read. We will know more once we see him follow it up. The Saints are a great team but they can be had if the Browns bring their "A" game.
I would use caution in over-interpreting what Colt did yesterday. I won't say that I'm not giddy inside because he showed me a lot but I'd like to see that more than just once. Deep down, I think he's going to be the man but to quote Bill Parcells "Let's not reserve a bust for him in Canton just yet...".
Hey, I've got busted in Canton before!! If you count a speeding ticket as busted.
Colt did show us many things that I loved about him at Texas and I won't say it was a mirage because it wasn't. I am quietly curious to see what he does from here. I wouldn't call New Orleans a bad defense but they aren't "Steeler Good". They had trouble with Carolina. The 4-3 could be easier for him to read. We will know more once we see him follow it up. The Saints are a great team but they can be had if the Browns bring their "A" game.
They were good enough to be called "Champions".
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Colt is a winner. He proved that way before yesterday and thats why the coaches didnt want him playing this year so he could study the pro game, however he looks more ready than anyone the Browns have put on the field in 10 years. I can tell already that I am going to hate this kid as much as I hated Kosar.
Do you guys think you should sit Colt when Jake or Seneca comes back or continue to start him?
I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
Joe Flacco did well, but it was similar to Ben's rookie year. Tim Couch also had the weight of the world on his shoulders as well... wonder how good he may have been if he was drafted this past year?
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I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
Joe Flacco did well, but it was similar to Ben's rookie year. Tim Couch also had the weight of the world on his shoulders as well... wonder how good he may have been if he was drafted this past year?
Joe Flacco did well, but it was similar to Ben's rookie year. Tim Couch also had the weight of the world on his shoulders as well... wonder how good he may have been if he was drafted this past year?
I thought Flacco came in about halfway through his rookie year? No?
The deal with Couch is simply the demonstration of how backward the thinking has been with the Browns since the Lerner family purchasedd the franchise in 1999. Instead of doing what the Ravens and Steelers did....build up your defense, your O-line and your running game...THEN bring in that QB as the last piece of the puzzle, they wanted to make a splash and bring in the QB as the first piece of the puzzle. It just didn't work. No OL, no running, bad defense.
The real question with him is how good could he have been had he been taken by say the Eagles or someone rather than the Browns. And for the Browns, they should have probably traded down for multiple picks and selecte O-line and D-linemen, and left the QBing up to veterans.
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Colt is a winner. He proved that way before yesterday and thats why the coaches didnt want him playing this year so he could study the pro game, however he looks more ready than anyone the Browns have put on the field in 10 years. I can tell already that I am going to hate this kid as much as I hated Kosar.
Do you guys think you should sit Colt when Jake or Seneca comes back or continue to start him?
I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
The mistake with Tim Couch was drafting a guy with no pocket presence, no reading ability, and no concept of making first downs.................
comparing him to Colt is an insult to Colt
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Joe Flacco did well, but it was similar to Ben's rookie year. Tim Couch also had the weight of the world on his shoulders as well... wonder how good he may have been if he was drafted this past year?
I thought Flacco came in about halfway through his rookie year? No?
The deal with Couch is simply the demonstration of how backward the thinking has been with the Browns since the Lerner family purchasedd the franchise in 1999. Instead of doing what the Ravens and Steelers did....build up your defense, your O-line and your running game...THEN bring in that QB as the last piece of the puzzle, they wanted to make a splash and bring in the QB as the first piece of the puzzle. It just didn't work. No OL, no running, bad defense.
The real question with him is how good could he have been had he been taken by say the Eagles or someone rather than the Browns. And for the Browns, they should have probably traded down for multiple picks and selecte O-line and D-linemen, and left the QBing up to veterans.
I thought Flacco came in about halfway through his rookie year? No?
The deal with Couch is simply the demonstration of how backward the thinking has been with the Browns since the Lerner family purchasedd the franchise in 1999. Instead of doing what the Ravens and Steelers did....build up your defense, your O-line and your running game...THEN bring in that QB as the last piece of the puzzle, they wanted to make a splash and bring in the QB as the first piece of the puzzle. It just didn't work. No OL, no running, bad defense.
The real question with him is how good could he have been had he been taken by say the Eagles or someone rather than the Browns. And for the Browns, they should have probably traded down for multiple picks and selecte O-line and D-linemen, and left the QBing up to veterans.
Flacco started his rookie year from game 1. he was to sit but Troy Smith got hurt prior to the reg season so Flacco came in....
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Couch was a victim of having NOTHING around him (other than KJ). Colt has a line, BUT could be the victim of WR not getting open or making adjustments (coverage sacks, interceptions, declining confidence, etc). Yes, we've seen a lot of promise in Colt, but if the veterans are able to play, maybe they should finish out the year & let's get him the receivers he needs to reach his full potential. I think he'll be the GUY to lead us, but let's make sure he has viable skill players in place.
Mike
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I still think they should take it slow with him. We really don't want to make the Tim Couch mistake and put him in too prematurely and ruin his career.....though with McCoy, he has one big advantage that Tim Couch never had: a decent offensive line. TC was thrown to the wolves. McCoy, right now, has a better offensive line than any Tim Couch ever played with in his careeer.
On the other hand, a very few QBs were just ready to go their rookie year:
Take Bernie Kosar. He needed only a half a season of sitting behind Gary Danielson. But he had a good offensive line and an outstanding running game his rookie year that had 2 1000 yard rushers.
Take Ben R. He had the games best defense and one of the games best running games when he came in. All he had to do was hand off, throw a few short passes, not make mistakes and get out of the way.
Dan Marino was obviously the ultimate exception. He came out firing like none of the others.
Sam Bradford seems to obviously be doing fairly well. He has led that "bad" team from last year to a .500 record so far. Don't know if it can continue.
What other rookies came in and seemed fairly ready to go?
The mistake with Tim Couch was drafting a guy with no pocket presence, no reading ability, and no concept of making first downs.................
comparing him to Colt is an insult to Colt
The mistake with Tim Couch was drafting a guy with no pocket presence, no reading ability, and no concept of making first downs.................
comparing him to Colt is an insult to Colt
Well, my learned assessment of him is somewhat different than yours. The one thing Couch has done that no other Browns QB has done since "the return" in 1999: take the Browns to the playoffs.
I think he could have been fine under a more stable situation.
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Couch was a victim of having NOTHING around him (other than KJ). Colt has a line, BUT could be the victim of WR not getting open or making adjustments (coverage sacks, interceptions, declining confidence, etc). Yes, we've seen a lot of promise in Colt, but if the veterans are able to play, maybe they should finish out the year & let's get him the receivers he needs to reach his full potential. I think he'll be the GUY to lead us, but let's make sure he has viable skill players in place.
Mike
Couch was a victim of having NOTHING around him (other than KJ). Colt has a line, BUT could be the victim of WR not getting open or making adjustments (coverage sacks, interceptions, declining confidence, etc). Yes, we've seen a lot of promise in Colt, but if the veterans are able to play, maybe they should finish out the year & let's get him the receivers he needs to reach his full potential. I think he'll be the GUY to lead us, but let's make sure he has viable skill players in place.
Mike
And don't forget, aside from the draft, WRs are always available in Free Agency....or even trade. There is always some loudmouth WR wanting to be the #1 man wherever he goes. Here, any of them could accomplish that.
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Couch was a victim of having NOTHING around him (other than KJ). Colt has a line, BUT could be the victim of WR not getting open or making adjustments (coverage sacks, interceptions, declining confidence, etc). Yes, we've seen a lot of promise in Colt, but if the veterans are able to play, maybe they should finish out the year & let's get him the receivers he needs to reach his full potential. I think he'll be the GUY to lead us, but let's make sure he has viable skill players in place.
Mike
And don't forget, aside from the draft, WRs are always available in Free Agency....or even trade. There is always some loudmouth WR wanting to be the #1 man wherever he goes. Here, any of them could accomplish that.
And don't forget, aside from the draft, WRs are always available in Free Agency....or even trade. There is always some loudmouth WR wanting to be the #1 man wherever he goes. Here, any of them could accomplish that.
Which I why I was surprised that AJ Smith was never linked to us for a trade for Vincent Jackson (not that we would want a head case like him).
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