Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
If you know anything about Steeler fans, they'll find a way to argue this matter no matter how wrong they are.
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HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
We lost the game................which is more important?
"The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things " - mike huckabee -
I am glad that I was at work and couldn't watch this game as I may have thrown a bottle. Keep it clean Squeeelers... Low class... need I say more?
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Is he serious??? He actually thinks he doesn't have to play by the rules?? The penalties for helmet to helmet hits are in place for a reason and they're certainly not new, they're just not inforced strongly enough.
Was watching an ESPN story today on this subject because of how bad these hits were throughout Sunday's games. This is not just some silly rule. These are professional players who have been taught to launch and hit like this. There is no exuse for it and they cannot say they can't help themselves and it isn't true that a player can't change his way of playing. Instaed of launching and hitting helmet to helmet, he is quite capable of turning his head and launching into the sternum instaed of the head and neck area and being just as effective in his hitting. He CAN make that decision instantly and make the right choice instead of risking paralyzing the guy on the recieveing end or himself.
Players like Harrison are not going to take the NFL seriously UNTIL there is an example set. Fineing alone isn't gonna cut it. Someone needs to be fined and suspended or removed from the team or the NFL if need be. Harrison is a repeat offender and now the players will get one free pass then the crap needs to hit the fan. The offending player needs to and is capable of making the choice before he makes his hit and needs to keep in mind, if I do this, I'm gonna be fined, suspended or worse. And IMO, if Harrison doesn't think the rules apply to him, then let him quit or get rid of him before he kills someone. These guys get paid the big bucks to play a game and put their life on the line and there is no room for people who intentionally injure other players although I heard him say he wasnt to hurt the other guys but not injure them. Bull.
Just my amature opinion.
Heidi ''Life's tough ... it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' --John Wayne -
I am glad that I was at work and couldn't watch this game as I may have thrown a bottle. Keep it clean Squeeelers... Low class... need I say more?
I am glad that I was at work and couldn't watch this game as I may have thrown a bottle. Keep it clean Squeeelers... Low class... need I say more?
Unfortunately it's not just the Steelers. This is a growing and dangerous parctice throughout football. And it needs to change before it goes to far.
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Have you ever had aConcussion? Now mine was extreme and non football or any sports related... but it really messed me up. (skull fracture and 4 internal brain bleeds didn't help much either.) so I can't really talk about just concussions.... I do know that mine left me dead ass on the street and I got picked up by my brother and carried home. I woke up if that's what you call it, an hour or so later.
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Have you ever had aConcussion? Now mine was extreme and non football or any sports related... but it really messed me up. (skull fracture and 4 internal brain bleeds didn't help much either.) so I can't really talk about just concussions.... I do know that mine left me dead ass on the street and I got picked up by my brother and carried home. I woke up if that's what you call it, an hour or so later.
Have you ever had aConcussion? Now mine was extreme and non football or any sports related... but it really messed me up. (skull fracture and 4 internal brain bleeds didn't help much either.) so I can't really talk about just concussions.... I do know that mine left me dead ass on the street and I got picked up by my brother and carried home. I woke up if that's what you call it, an hour or so later.
I've had 8. Each one has sucked.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
We lost the game................which is more important?
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Have you ever had aConcussion? Now mine was extreme and non football or any sports related... but it really messed me up. (skull fracture and 4 internal brain bleeds didn't help much either.) so I can't really talk about just concussions.... I do know that mine left me dead ass on the street and I got picked up by my brother and carried home. I woke up if that's what you call it, an hour or so later.
I've had 8. Each one has sucked.
I've had 8. Each one has sucked.
Did they nearly kill you? Are you half deaf as a result of any of them? Did you lose your memory for nine months from any of them? Just because you had (what might have been a light concussion)) doesn't mean that they are all that way.
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The NFL is going to die if they keep making the game "safe". Why do you think they put on all that gear? So they won't get hurt when someone makes a shoe-string tackle. I know you guys hate the Steelers, but look at the bigger picture.....TJ Ward will be in this same boat very soon and yeah, I know you hope its a Steeler he does it to, but when he gets suspended for 4 games you'll be the ones "crying".
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The NFL is going to die if they keep making the game "safe". Why do you think they put on all that gear? So they won't get hurt when someone makes a shoe-string tackle. I know you guys hate the Steelers, but look at the bigger picture.....TJ Ward will be in this same boat very soon and yeah, I know you hope its a Steeler he does it to, but when he gets suspended for 4 games you'll be the ones "crying".
The NFL is going to die if they keep making the game "safe". Why do you think they put on all that gear? So they won't get hurt when someone makes a shoe-string tackle. I know you guys hate the Steelers, but look at the bigger picture.....TJ Ward will be in this same boat very soon and yeah, I know you hope its a Steeler he does it to, but when he gets suspended for 4 games you'll be the ones "crying".
The game will never be "safe" but having a guy running a 4.4 and launching himself into another guys head really isn't a good idea, is it? I've said elsewhere the NFL illegalized chop blocks because too many guys were getting their knees blown out. They'll survive just fine if headhunting is banned.
PS, we wish Harrison many, many happy suspensions if he can't figure out how to clean up his act. And no, I'm not into revenge. As to our Ward, I didn't condone that shot on Shipley, and he's on probation.
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The NFL is going to die if they keep making the game "safe". Why do you think they put on all that gear? So they won't get hurt when someone makes a shoe-string tackle. I know you guys hate the Steelers, but look at the bigger picture.....TJ Ward will be in this same boat very soon and yeah, I know you hope its a Steeler he does it to, but when he gets suspended for 4 games you'll be the ones "crying".
The NFL is going to die if they keep making the game "safe". Why do you think they put on all that gear? So they won't get hurt when someone makes a shoe-string tackle. I know you guys hate the Steelers, but look at the bigger picture.....TJ Ward will be in this same boat very soon and yeah, I know you hope its a Steeler he does it to, but when he gets suspended for 4 games you'll be the ones "crying".
maybe you can figure out the difference between the terminology: TACKLE and HIT, no? yeah well neither can harrison hence the fine and in due time, suspensions.
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i think the health of any player is more important than a win. just my opinion though.
Right, but to say Cleveland 1 Steelers 0 just sounds dumb. Of course the health of any player on any team is more important than the score.
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HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
Harrison is obviously kidding. Bunch of mouth breathing Retards on this message board. He hardly talks but when he's does it's usually tongue and cheek. You'd know this if you paid attention to his interviews.
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HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
Harrison is obviously kidding. Bunch of mouth breathing Retards on this message board. He hardly talks but when he's does it's usually tongue and cheek. You'd know this if you paid attention to his interviews.
Homotron said:
Harrison is obviously kidding. Bunch of mouth breathing Retards on this message board. He hardly talks but when he's does it's usually tongue and cheek. You'd know this if you paid attention to his interviews.I did pay attention to his interview after the Browns game- yup Harrison sounds like a mouth breathing Retard paid assassin alright.
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Homotron said:
Harrison is obviously kidding. Bunch of mouth breathing Retards on this message board. He hardly talks but when he's does it's usually tongue and cheek. You'd know this if you paid attention to his interviews.I did pay attention to his interview after the Browns game- yup Harrison sounds like a mouth breathing Retard paid assassin alright.
I did pay attention to his interview after the Browns game- yup Harrison sounds like a mouth breathing Retard paid assassin alright.
Seriously he's almost never serious, very rarely says much of anything when interviewed and when he does it's tongue and cheek. Tomlin even goes as far as saying that he's not serious in interviews most of the time. Mo-mass dropped his helmet before impact as well. If he doesn't drop his head it's not helmet to helmet and even then it wasn't helmet to helmet.
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What exactly did you want Harrison to do? Did you want him to hold back, let Massaquoi catch the ball, and then bring him down gently? Harrison had an opportunity to dislodge the ball from the receiver and force an incomplete pass. If Massaquoi didn't crouch down at the last second, or if McCoy didn't throw the ball behind Massaquoi, none of this would have happened. It would have been a hard hit to Massaquoi's chest, right where Harrison was aiming for before Massaquoi lowered his body. McCoy had no business floating the ball over the middle to be quite honest. That was a recipe for disaster, especially against a defense that plays all over the field and is as fast as Pittsburgh's.
Don't tell me what the hell to do either. I am not out there starting fights in the stands and talking shit to fans over football games. That's not my thing. Arguing on a message board while watching a baseball game is not hurting anyone.
1. Spare me the separate the receiver from the ball argument. Been there. Done that. See TJ Ward. I agree it's his job.
2. Don't give me the "crouching Massaquoi" crap. James Harrison left his feet and launched with the crown of his helmet into his neck area. He wasn't aiming for his gut.
3. McCoy and any other QB makes that throw. It wasn't behind the receiver at all. Massaquoi gets paid to go over the middle like Hines Ward does.
You're blindly defending your player for no other reason than he's a Steeler. If he was on some other team you wouldn't go to these lengths to defend him when the video evidence and the league feels that he's hit someone illegally.
1. Spare me the separate the receiver from the ball argument. Been there. Done that. See TJ Ward. I agree it's his job.
2. Don't give me the "crouching Massaquoi" crap. James Harrison left his feet and launched with the crown of his helmet into his neck area. He wasn't aiming for his gut.
3. McCoy and any other QB makes that throw. It wasn't behind the receiver at all. Massaquoi gets paid to go over the middle like Hines Ward does.
You're blindly defending your player for no other reason than he's a Steeler. If he was on some other team you wouldn't go to these lengths to defend him when the video evidence and the league feels that he's hit someone illegally.
Quite obvious that you did not watch the game at all, you are just running your mouth.
now there are the two pics both show Harrison with his feet firmly on the ground, in fact he has his legs bent, they also show Massaquoi going low to hot Harrison. BTW Massaquoi is 6'1" and Harrison is 6'0"
Also notice the ref looking directly at the hit. If Harrison would have launched, he would have gotten the flag.
Now before you run your mouth try watching the game.
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Thank you for teh reply, but you failed to understand teh point.
Football is a dangerous sport. So is driving teh car or taking a walk in teh park.
Football players know that teh game is violent and dangerous and they know teh risks taken.
That is teh real issue.
Regards...
... an'at
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Teh real issue is the fact that the NFL is talking out of both sides of their mouths. Just like Fujita said, they want to fine players for big hits, yet they show the same big hits on every channel in every top play countdown.
Big hits are part of the game, and let's face it....we all love them. Helmet to helmet hits are pretty black and white. There's always going to be a fine on them, and there always should be. But this new rule is basically including intent, and that's not as cut and dry to determine.
Did Harrison look like he intended to take off both Cribbs and MoMass' heads? Yeah. And that's the reason the NFL is fining him.
Did Harrison actually intend to knock these guys (near) unconscious? Yes and no. Hell, he's a defender. That's what they're out there to do. They're taught to put the fear of God in whoever they're playing. But I don't think he was intending to cause them any lasting physical damage.
Intent is hard to determine. This is a contact game, and these hits are commonplace. They're exciting, and they make for good entertainment. Defensive coaches encourage big hits, and any coach loves when his runningback takes it to a would-be tackler. These big hits make the NFL, so it's kind of bullshit for the NFL to take them away.
Yes, Harrison launched himself. Yes, Harrison led with his head. No, Harrison did not arch his neck back and bring his arms on the hit. He basically torpedoed each guy and, to the NFL, that adds up to intent. And for Harrison, intent costs him about $75,000 out of his pocket. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
What the NFL really needs to do is provide better healthcare for the players once they retire. That's the reason they're putting skirts on the players now, so they don't have to pay later.
Teh real issue is the fact that the NFL is talking out of both sides of their mouths. Just like Fujita said, they want to fine players for big hits, yet they show the same big hits on every channel in every top play countdown.
Big hits are part of the game, and let's face it....we all love them. Helmet to helmet hits are pretty black and white. There's always going to be a fine on them, and there always should be. But this new rule is basically including intent, and that's not as cut and dry to determine.
Did Harrison look like he intended to take off both Cribbs and MoMass' heads? Yeah. And that's the reason the NFL is fining him.
Did Harrison actually intend to knock these guys (near) unconscious? Yes and no. Hell, he's a defender. That's what they're out there to do. They're taught to put the fear of God in whoever they're playing. But I don't think he was intending to cause them any lasting physical damage.
Intent is hard to determine. This is a contact game, and these hits are commonplace. They're exciting, and they make for good entertainment. Defensive coaches encourage big hits, and any coach loves when his runningback takes it to a would-be tackler. These big hits make the NFL, so it's kind of bullshit for the NFL to take them away.
Yes, Harrison launched himself. Yes, Harrison led with his head. No, Harrison did not arch his neck back and bring his arms on the hit. He basically torpedoed each guy and, to the NFL, that adds up to intent. And for Harrison, intent costs him about $75,000 out of his pocket. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
What the NFL really needs to do is provide better healthcare for the players once they retire. That's the reason they're putting skirts on the players now, so they don't have to pay later.
1. Harrison did not launch himself.
2. Harrison was actually trying to go low.
3. The receiver went low
4. The ref was standing right there with a clear view of the hit, obviously if Harrison launched himself, he would have drawn the flag.
Want proof? Here you go.
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Is he serious??? He actually thinks he doesn't have to play by the rules?? The penalties for helmet to helmet hits are in place for a reason and they're certainly not new, they're just not inforced strongly enough.
Was watching an ESPN story today on this subject because of how bad these hits were throughout Sunday's games. This is not just some silly rule. These are professional players who have been taught to launch and hit like this. There is no exuse for it and they cannot say they can't help themselves and it isn't true that a player can't change his way of playing. Instaed of launching and hitting helmet to helmet, he is quite capable of turning his head and launching into the sternum instaed of the head and neck area and being just as effective in his hitting. He CAN make that decision instantly and make the right choice instead of risking paralyzing the guy on the recieveing end or himself.
Players like Harrison are not going to take the NFL seriously UNTIL there is an example set. Fineing alone isn't gonna cut it. Someone needs to be fined and suspended or removed from the team or the NFL if need be. Harrison is a repeat offender and now the players will get one free pass then the crap needs to hit the fan. The offending player needs to and is capable of making the choice before he makes his hit and needs to keep in mind, if I do this, I'm gonna be fined, suspended or worse. And IMO, if Harrison doesn't think the rules apply to him, then let him quit or get rid of him before he kills someone. These guys get paid the big bucks to play a game and put their life on the line and there is no room for people who intentionally injure other players although I heard him say he wasnt to hurt the other guys but not injure them. Bull.
Just my amature opinion.
Is he serious??? He actually thinks he doesn't have to play by the rules?? The penalties for helmet to helmet hits are in place for a reason and they're certainly not new, they're just not inforced strongly enough.
Was watching an ESPN story today on this subject because of how bad these hits were throughout Sunday's games. This is not just some silly rule. These are professional players who have been taught to launch and hit like this. There is no exuse for it and they cannot say they can't help themselves and it isn't true that a player can't change his way of playing. Instaed of launching and hitting helmet to helmet, he is quite capable of turning his head and launching into the sternum instaed of the head and neck area and being just as effective in his hitting. He CAN make that decision instantly and make the right choice instead of risking paralyzing the guy on the recieveing end or himself.
Players like Harrison are not going to take the NFL seriously UNTIL there is an example set. Fineing alone isn't gonna cut it. Someone needs to be fined and suspended or removed from the team or the NFL if need be. Harrison is a repeat offender and now the players will get one free pass then the crap needs to hit the fan. The offending player needs to and is capable of making the choice before he makes his hit and needs to keep in mind, if I do this, I'm gonna be fined, suspended or worse. And IMO, if Harrison doesn't think the rules apply to him, then let him quit or get rid of him before he kills someone. These guys get paid the big bucks to play a game and put their life on the line and there is no room for people who intentionally injure other players although I heard him say he wasnt to hurt the other guys but not injure them. Bull.
Just my amature opinion.
You act like two of your better players aren't in full support of Harrison.....
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