Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
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Chuck you ought to know the Rule's been in place all season if not a lot longer.
Defenseless? I'll give you Cribb's video as exhibit "A". What happened to Shipley in the Bengals game as exhibit "B", and the shot on Heap as exhibit "C". Obviously, it's not always going to be as clear cut as that.
Kennesaw Mountain Goodell determines the fine. Considering Harrison's antics in the Super Bowl, his shot on Vince Young earlier in the year (unfortunately, didn't see it) and now a couple more TKO's in the Browns game- and then making jackass comments after the game on top of it- (at least the New England dude was remorseful) he earned himself the big booby prize of the week. Can't feel too sorry about the fine JH picked up- with a $20 million signing bonus last year, even considering his contract is back-loaded, that fine is chicken feed.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play". Must have gotten lousy coaching, because they teach you NOT to lead with your head. Assuming I get the OK, I'm going to post a couple musings from a guy who's forgotten more about technical football than I ever learned on the subject of proper tackling technique.
Chuck you ought to know the Rule's been in place all season if not a lot longer.
Defenseless? I'll give you Cribb's video as exhibit "A". What happened to Shipley in the Bengals game as exhibit "B", and the shot on Heap as exhibit "C". Obviously, it's not always going to be as clear cut as that.
Kennesaw Mountain Goodell determines the fine. Considering Harrison's antics in the Super Bowl, his shot on Vince Young earlier in the year (unfortunately, didn't see it) and now a couple more TKO's in the Browns game- and then making jackass comments after the game on top of it- (at least the New England dude was remorseful) he earned himself the big booby prize of the week. Can't feel too sorry about the fine JH picked up- with a $20 million signing bonus last year, even considering his contract is back-loaded, that fine is chicken feed.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play". Must have gotten lousy coaching, because they teach you NOT to lead with your head. Assuming I get the OK, I'm going to post a couple musings from a guy who's forgotten more about technical football than I ever learned on the subject of proper tackling technique.
His hit on Young wasn't even dirty. A defensive lineman hit him in the leg as Harrison hit him in the chest. The impact caused him to get flipped over the d-lineman that hit him in his thigh. It wasn't flagged and by rule it shouldn't have been.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play"......Josh Cribbs does. No offfense to you but I respect a player's opinion more than any fan, especially when he was the "victim" of one of Harrison's hits.
Cribbs goes out of his way to defend and support Harrison on his own time. He even gives Harrison a compliemnt saying that is is one of the very best. It's clearl his honest opinion and not just a politically correct statement. If you disagree I suggest you atleast attempt to back it up.
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers
More Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...whiney ass BS ? Nobody "Cheats " for anybody you little loser. Cribbs Head went forward and Down the Two Collided helmets...Dumbass. If the Browns Players READ the S*** You guys Post ..they would be Horrified !! " Good Lord..Colt... Half our Fans are Pu**ies !!!
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mikeyP72 said:
LOL Spunk, that's a little more passion during the super bowl.Guy assaulted Francisco.
Funny the part 2 seconds earlier in that game where Fransisco went for Harrison's knees is left out from the clip.
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you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
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you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
I'm not whining about it. Just pointing out a rather important fact that was conveniently left out. In a cause and effect situation you can't blindly criticize the effect while ignoring the cause. No whining, just pointing out the obvious.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
I'm not whining about it. Just pointing out a rather important fact that was conveniently left out. In a cause and effect situation you can't blindly criticize the effect while ignoring the cause. No whining, just pointing out the obvious.
I'm not whining about it. Just pointing out a rather important fact that was conveniently left out. In a cause and effect situation you can't blindly criticize the effect while ignoring the cause. No whining, just pointing out the obvious.
The obvious! Like your qb is a rapist? Like Harrison is on roids? Like your boy troy is another cheap shot jack ass with the worst hair known to mankind. come on get real your team takes the cake for jerk offs
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I'm not whining about it. Just pointing out a rather important fact that was conveniently left out. In a cause and effect situation you can't blindly criticize the effect while ignoring the cause. No whining, just pointing out the obvious.
The obvious! Like your qb is a rapist? Like Harrison is on roids? Like your boy troy is another cheap shot jack ass with the worst hair known to mankind. come on get real your team takes the cake for jerk offs
The obvious! Like your qb is a rapist? Like Harrison is on roids? Like your boy troy is another cheap shot jack ass with the worst hair known to mankind. come on get real your team takes the cake for jerk offs
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Pick up your teeth, get on the turnpike, and shut yer hole, cleveland. You are to the NFL what the pirates are to baseball, and the clippers are to basketball- the laughingstock of the league. And if you had anything positive to look forward to with your team, you wouldn't feel the need to disparage the most successful francise in NFL history. When a team loses for such an extended period, it pervades the whole organization from top to bottom, and eventually affects the whole city. That is what cleveland is- a city with a giant persecution complex, blaming the team, the owner, the coach, the city, the dirty Pittsburgh Steelers. The whole city and everyone on this board needs a good slap across the face, and to be told "stop blaming other factors for your teams failure." You should hear how every other team's fans in the NFL laugh when the cleveland browns are brought up. All you bitching, teethgnashing, backbiting people are a hoot. Long live physical football, James Harrison, and the 6 time superbowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. Harrison's hits will fill highlight reels for the next few decades like Butkus, Lambert, Brown, and Lewis, before him. Goddell, like cleveland, will be a minor footnote.
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I thought it was sulfur burning, but it was only sqeeler roid "fans" trolling for trouble...
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Pick up your teeth, get on the turnpike, and shut yer hole, cleveland. You are to the NFL what the pirates are to baseball, and the clippers are to basketball- the laughingstock of the league. And if you had anything positive to look forward to with your team, you wouldn't feel the need to disparage the most successful francise in NFL history. When a team loses for such an extended period, it pervades the whole organization from top to bottom, and eventually affects the whole city. That is what cleveland is- a city with a giant persecution complex, blaming the team, the owner, the coach, the city, the dirty Pittsburgh Steelers. The whole city and everyone on this board needs a good slap across the face, and to be told "stop blaming other factors for your teams failure." You should hear how every other team's fans in the NFL laugh when the cleveland browns are brought up. All you bitching, teethgnashing, backbiting people are a hoot. Long live physical football, James Harrison, and the 6 time superbowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. Harrison's hits will fill highlight reels for the next few decades like Butkus, Lambert, Brown, and Lewis, before him. Goddell, like cleveland, will be a minor footnote.
Pick up your teeth, get on the turnpike, and shut yer hole, cleveland. You are to the NFL what the pirates are to baseball, and the clippers are to basketball- the laughingstock of the league. And if you had anything positive to look forward to with your team, you wouldn't feel the need to disparage the most successful francise in NFL history. When a team loses for such an extended period, it pervades the whole organization from top to bottom, and eventually affects the whole city. That is what cleveland is- a city with a giant persecution complex, blaming the team, the owner, the coach, the city, the dirty Pittsburgh Steelers. The whole city and everyone on this board needs a good slap across the face, and to be told "stop blaming other factors for your teams failure." You should hear how every other team's fans in the NFL laugh when the cleveland browns are brought up. All you bitching, teethgnashing, backbiting people are a hoot. Long live physical football, James Harrison, and the 6 time superbowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. Harrison's hits will fill highlight reels for the next few decades like Butkus, Lambert, Brown, and Lewis, before him. Goddell, like cleveland, will be a minor footnote.
First off, find ONE post on this forum that said "gee, we would have won that game if only Cribbs and Massaquoi weren't hurt." Yeah- we lost the game, and we're moving on.
Enjoy seeing Harrison's highlight reel- because all of it will predate 10-18-2010. Your whiny little hero had to take the day off because the NFL won't let him spear opposing players anymore. I did notice he made the "highlight Reel" the NFL League office sent to all the teams of what won't be allowed anymore.
Sorry if you can't handle Browns fans telling you like it is- calling a thug a thug, and your quarterback an embarrassment to the NFL.
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I think with 12 additional fines levied this week, we can officially call it. The League has lost its mind. Some pissed off owner threatened the commissioner and now we'll namby pamby with everything thanks to that owner, and a bunch of bored and whiney sports writers with too much room to fill with stories. Kevin Kolb? Really? Did anyone bother reading stories from different media sites, they could have all been ghost-written by the same guy. James Harrison blah blah...can't understand the difference between hurt and injure blah blah(Dammit anyone that actually played a contact sport knows that enforcers are there to lay the smack down on the opponents and make them feel it)...NFL needs to protect the players blah blah!!! This is a straw man stuffed to overflowing. Only two of the three fines were earned. The third got swept into the BS pile with the others. And we all know that if this hadn't involved Pittspuke, most of us wouldn't have given a damn at all!
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Pick up your teeth, get on the turnpike, and shut yer hole, cleveland. You are to the NFL what the pirates are to baseball, and the clippers are to basketball- the laughingstock of the league. And if you had anything positive to look forward to with your team, you wouldn't feel the need to disparage the most successful francise in NFL history. When a team loses for such an extended period, it pervades the whole organization from top to bottom, and eventually affects the whole city. That is what cleveland is- a city with a giant persecution complex, blaming the team, the owner, the coach, the city, the dirty Pittsburgh Steelers. The whole city and everyone on this board needs a good slap across the face, and to be told "stop blaming other factors for your teams failure." You should hear how every other team's fans in the NFL laugh when the cleveland browns are brought up. All you bitching, teethgnashing, backbiting people are a hoot. Long live physical football, James Harrison, and the 6 time superbowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers. Harrison's hits will fill highlight reels for the next few decades like Butkus, Lambert, Brown, and Lewis, before him. Goddell, like cleveland, will be a minor footnote.
First off, find ONE post on this forum that said "gee, we would have won that game if only Cribbs and Massaquoi weren't hurt." Yeah- we lost the game, and we're moving on.
Enjoy seeing Harrison's highlight reel- because all of it will predate 10-18-2010. Your whiny little hero had to take the day off because the NFL won't let him spear opposing players anymore. I did notice he made the "highlight Reel" the NFL League office sent to all the teams of what won't be allowed anymore.
Sorry if you can't handle Browns fans telling you like it is- calling a thug a thug, and your quarterback an embarrassment to the NFL.
First off, find ONE post on this forum that said "gee, we would have won that game if only Cribbs and Massaquoi weren't hurt." Yeah- we lost the game, and we're moving on.
Enjoy seeing Harrison's highlight reel- because all of it will predate 10-18-2010. Your whiny little hero had to take the day off because the NFL won't let him spear opposing players anymore. I did notice he made the "highlight Reel" the NFL League office sent to all the teams of what won't be allowed anymore.
Sorry if you can't handle Browns fans telling you like it is- calling a thug a thug, and your quarterback an embarrassment to the NFL.
Spearing has been illegal for decades. The problem is you think helmet-to-helmet contact and spearing are the same thing. And you like to whine. And you are bitter.
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Do you guys really think these pissburgh fans are going to say that were right and they're wrong? I dont even know why some of you bother because it's like talking to a brick wall most of the time. The league could say both hits were illegal and end up suspending him for the whole season and these inbreds will still tell you the hit was legal.
Your all arguing with a bunch of bandwagon fans that dont even live in pissburgh and I bet any one of them would be more then willing to get on they're knees to please the team so do you really think they will admit any mistakes?
If anything we should get on the mods for not kicking these guys out of here because they all sound like broken records and it's getting old fast. How many decent Browns fans do you think left here because they're sick of these people?
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Do you guys really think these pissburgh fans are going to say that were right and they're wrong? I dont even know why some of you bother because it's like talking to a brick wall most of the time. The league could say both hits were illegal and end up suspending him for the whole season and these inbreds will still tell you the hit was legal.
Your all arguing with a bunch of bandwagon fans that dont even live in pissburgh and I bet any one of them would be more then willing to get on they're knees to please the team so do you really think they will admit any mistakes?
If anything we should get on the mods for not kicking these guys out of here because they all sound like broken records and it's getting old fast. How many decent Browns fans do you think left here because they're sick of these people?
Do you guys really think these pissburgh fans are going to say that were right and they're wrong? I dont even know why some of you bother because it's like talking to a brick wall most of the time. The league could say both hits were illegal and end up suspending him for the whole season and these inbreds will still tell you the hit was legal.
Your all arguing with a bunch of bandwagon fans that dont even live in pissburgh and I bet any one of them would be more then willing to get on they're knees to please the team so do you really think they will admit any mistakes?
If anything we should get on the mods for not kicking these guys out of here because they all sound like broken records and it's getting old fast. How many decent Browns fans do you think left here because they're sick of these people?
Should I bother pointing out how yet another Browns fan ignores the fact that the players are supporting Harrison and are against Goodell's suspension threats?
EDIT: As I type the NFL Network has Sterling Sharpe on saying receivers have a responsibility in avoiding big hits (specifically pointing outs Harrison's hit and hit on Desean Jackson) by reading defenses.
But let me guess, he is just dumb and you are still right......
NFL Newtwork already has it on their website. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-play...self-protection
EDIT: More players rip Goodell's sissifying of the league. Including 3 QBs!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-tota...-big-hits-fines
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Very strange. Everything is fine, until I start reading the troublemaking steeler girlietrolls' posts....
then all of a sudden, it's like a stupid skunk walked by the window.
but THEN, the skunk scent immediately goes away when I read on, where they aren't posting.
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Very strange. Everything is fine, until I start reading the troublemaking steeler girlietrolls' posts....
then all of a sudden, it's like a stupid skunk walked by the window.
but THEN, the skunk scent immediately goes away when I read on, where they aren't posting.
Very strange. Everything is fine, until I start reading the troublemaking steeler girlietrolls' posts....
then all of a sudden, it's like a stupid skunk walked by the window.
but THEN, the skunk scent immediately goes away when I read on, where they aren't posting.
It's obvious you don't care about the player's opinion on the issue.
Who are who to tell the players what rules they have to play by? Let them decide. You go nuts when you think Obama is taking away your rights, but you seem to like controlling the rules other people have to play by and have no interest on their opinion in the matter.
But anyways, the fact that you made a stupid, whiny comment inside of anything slightly resembling a logical rebuttle is very evident. And honestly, it doesn't surprise me at all.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Let's just get rid of the helmets which are the real weapons. Go back to those leather helmets and see if the players continue to play as they are. Those hard helmets changed the way the game was played. Better yet, let's let these bad ass players play with nothing on their head and see if Harrison et al continue to play as they do.
Technology (helmets, pads, shoes, turf, etc have all made the game morphe over the years. As technology changed, play adapted, even with many, many rule changes along the way. Why not remove fair catches, touchbacks, etc. too. Couple the technology changes with the changes in the average NFL player's size, speed, talent and experience and the game has to evolve.
This is all much ado about nothing. Play by the rules, tackle fairly and adjust as a rule changes. It's happened throughout the history of the NFL and should not be a big deal now with the latest emphasis on player safety.
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One thing that the league could implement fairly quickly would be to put foam padding on the back of a helmet. Many QBs and receivers suffer concussions when their heads hit the turf
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It's obvious you don't care about the player's opinion on the issue. spunkedontherack
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It's obvious you are a waste of this board's time.
What I've been saying has nothing to do with your asinine conclusion.
I don't post all that often over here, because there's a lot of BROWNS fans who are quick on the money,
and it's just fun to read it.
It's also obvious that you just want to make trouble, and whine like a little muskrat that is afraid of the dark.
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It's obvious you don't care about the player's opinion on the issue. spunkedontherack
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It's obvious you are a waste of this board's time.
What I've been saying has nothing to do with your asinine conclusion.
I don't post all that often over here, because there's a lot of BROWNS fans who are quick on the money,
and it's just fun to read it.
It's also obvious that you just want to make trouble, and whine like a little muskrat that is afraid of the dark.
It's obvious you don't care about the player's opinion on the issue. spunkedontherack
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It's obvious you are a waste of this board's time.
What I've been saying has nothing to do with your asinine conclusion.
I don't post all that often over here, because there's a lot of BROWNS fans who are quick on the money,
and it's just fun to read it.
It's also obvious that you just want to make trouble, and whine like a little muskrat that is afraid of the dark.
All that because I restated what dozens of players all of the league (including on the Browns) have already said?
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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