Anatomy of a Play
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great post!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am just not sold on Colt yet, we will see.....I will say this he is 1-1 as a starter with no WRs
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So hold on...
here in the Browns board, people get TONS of "thanks" when they post some "the Browns are number 1! YEAH!" bullshit, but when 2 really intelligent posts like these are put up, nothing? :S
So hold on...
here in the Browns board, people get TONS of "thanks" when they post some "the Browns are number 1! YEAH!" bullshit, but when 2 really intelligent posts like these are put up, nothing? :S
Considering that he made that post at 12:07 AM, and you made your post at 1:42 AM, it is probable that most of us were at home in bed. You are bitching because a ton of "Thanks" didn't come in between midnight and 2 in the morning?
Most of us have jobs to get up and go to in the morning. Why don't you think about getting one?
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I don't see it as Colt under throwing the ball. He gave it all he had....and that is about all he has for a deep ball...which is fine. You don't have to have a QB who can launch it 65 yards in the air. Colt's 45-50 is good enough.
What Colt has to do is throw it a little sooner. I don't know at what point on the field Cribbs was when Colt released the ball....lets say the 30 which might be about right...what he needs to do is start releasing it when Cribbs is on the 35 which is in essence adding 5 yards to the throws. At that point the ball is out in front of Cribbs and not in to the defender. Not to mention the ball is being released about the time you see Steinbachs man breaking free rather than free and heading towards the qb.
It isn't so much a arm issue. It is a timing issue....and that can be corrected.
Kosars bombs weren't the same kind of bombs Testraverde threw, but people cheered loud and hard none the less.
Just start tossing it a split sooner. I like the odds Cribbs is going to carry his guy in to the endzone, and if not, who's going to complain about a 45 yard gain to the 5??
The coaching staff may need to make adjustments in the way we run routes on deep balls. If the routes are geared for 50 yards, we may need to adjust the cuts and breaks for 40 yards.
All simple stuff if everybody gets on the same page.
Now that you mention it, I can see the issue of the timing. It's a little difficult though because you can't see what Cribbs is doing downfield. Personally, I'm just glad he picked a guy in single coverage who seems to have been the correct read based on what the defense was doing. As you say, it can be corrected and timing is typically something Colt was very good at in college. Just takes a lot of reps.
Now that you mention it, I can see the issue of the timing. It's a little difficult though because you can't see what Cribbs is doing downfield. Personally, I'm just glad he picked a guy in single coverage who seems to have been the correct read based on what the defense was doing. As you say, it can be corrected and timing is typically something Colt was very good at in college. Just takes a lot of reps.
No doubt he read it correctly.
As for the timing, on shorter routes a QB can do a bit more on changing when the ball arrives. He can lead a bit more and take some off the throw or in a tight window can put a little more mustard on the throw, or do something in between.
On deep balls you are already throwing it 'all out", so the only thing you can do it toss it out there a little earlier.
I am sure part of the deal is coaches probably teach to underthrow a bit because your receiver can fight for the catch or you can draw interference calls as the defender runs up the receivers back.
In theory though, on long balls, a qb should probably overthrow just as many as they underthrow.
It's just more practice. Keep working the timing and toss them out there a little sooner.
A good drill for this would be to have Colt work on out throwing the receiver for a while, giving him a better visual for when he needs to release the ball. Sooner or later he will start dropping them in the basket.
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So hold on...
here in the Browns board, people get TONS of "thanks" when they post some "the Browns are number 1! YEAH!" bullshit, but when 2 really intelligent posts like these are put up, nothing? :S
Considering that he made that post at 12:07 AM, and you made your post at 1:42 AM, it is probable that most of us were at home in bed. You are bitching because a ton of "Thanks" didn't come in between midnight and 2 in the morning?
Most of us have jobs to get up and go to in the morning. Why don't you think about getting one?
Considering that he made that post at 12:07 AM, and you made your post at 1:42 AM, it is probable that most of us were at home in bed. You are bitching because a ton of "Thanks" didn't come in between midnight and 2 in the morning?
Most of us have jobs to get up and go to in the morning. Why don't you think about getting one?
I always get pissed when I get home from the bar and not enough thanks are given out on the browns board!
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Considering that he made that post at 12:07 AM, and you made your post at 1:42 AM, it is probable that most of us were at home in bed. You are bitching because a ton of "Thanks" didn't come in between midnight and 2 in the morning?
Most of us have jobs to get up and go to in the morning. Why don't you think about getting one?
I always get pissed when I get home from the bar and not enough thanks are given out on the browns board!
I always get pissed when I get home from the bar and not enough thanks are given out on the browns board!
Must be pretty tough when the half sane part is drunk.
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I don't see it as Colt under throwing the ball. He gave it all he had....and that is about all he has for a deep ball...which is fine. You don't have to have a QB who can launch it 65 yards in the air. Colt's 45-50 is good enough.
What Colt has to do is throw it a little sooner. I don't know at what point on the field Cribbs was when Colt released the ball....lets say the 30 which might be about right...what he needs to do is start releasing it when Cribbs is on the 35 which is in essence adding 5 yards to the throws. At that point the ball is out in front of Cribbs and not in to the defender. Not to mention the ball is being released about the time you see Steinbachs man breaking free rather than free and heading towards the qb.
It isn't so much a arm issue. It is a timing issue....and that can be corrected.
Kosars bombs weren't the same kind of bombs Testraverde threw, but people cheered loud and hard none the less.
Just start tossing it a split sooner. I like the odds Cribbs is going to carry his guy in to the endzone, and if not, who's going to complain about a 45 yard gain to the 5??
The coaching staff may need to make adjustments in the way we run routes on deep balls. If the routes are geared for 50 yards, we may need to adjust the cuts and breaks for 40 yards.
All simple stuff if everybody gets on the same page.
I don't see it as Colt under throwing the ball. He gave it all he had....and that is about all he has for a deep ball...which is fine. You don't have to have a QB who can launch it 65 yards in the air. Colt's 45-50 is good enough.
I live in Texas and watched Colt play his whole career at Texas. He can easily throw the ball 65 yards.....just saying.
I believe he put the ball where he wanted.
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I don't see it as Colt under throwing the ball. He gave it all he had....and that is about all he has for a deep ball...which is fine. You don't have to have a QB who can launch it 65 yards in the air. Colt's 45-50 is good enough.
I live in Texas and watched Colt play his whole career at Texas. He can easily throw the ball 65 yards.....just saying.
I believe he put the ball where he wanted.
I live in Texas and watched Colt play his whole career at Texas. He can easily throw the ball 65 yards.....just saying.
I believe he put the ball where he wanted.
That's cool man....then he put it where it couldn't be caught and was a designed play for a interference call. Cool beans.
If he wanted it caught, he would have tossed it 60 yards and let the receiver reach out and catch it.
JMO
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Great thread and posts!!!
Colt is going to be a good one, the arm strength stuff is extremely overrated and he has enough. He has not maxed out growing more strength either, as he is just hitting manhood which adds natural strength to coincide with a pro workout regimen and refined mechanics.
Colt's highlights at Texas show him winging it 60 to 65 yards in the air and he did it a fair amount of times. The key to deep accuracy is to control it around and past that 45 to 50 yard mark and lead your receiver properly. All in all this was a pretty good throw from a kid who has had very limited reps with the first team offense and receivers since he was drafted. He is definitely the type to hone in the timing and control it, but I do agree a slightly earlier release (which goes for all QB's) not only gives more room for error but less time for safety recovery. This is a big issue for QB's in general, as most tend to wait a little too long making their reads. Plus, some like to show off the arm and really let it fly, which diminishes the accuracy even further.
A good QB almost always allows his player to make a play on the ball. Jake cost us the Atlanta game by overthrowing a wide open Cribbs for six, and Wallace seems to think the intended receivers are standing five yards out of bounds holding a clipboard. Let's face it, around 80% of your accuracy comes in the short to intermediate range, and there is absolutely no doubt he can thread it in there when need and also lead for YAC.
An overlooked play earlier was when Vickers dropped the quick flat when they were backed up in the endzone. He had room to ramble and Colt led him perfectly, quickly and with perfect touch. These are the kind of plays that get overlooked but win games. Colt will make defenses pay as they try to come after him since he's a rook, he is too composed and aware of what is going on. He has great pocket presence and escapability, things that can't necessarily be coached. Wallace is a perfect example, he has good wheels and is mobile, however, he lacks good pocket presence and likes to run himself out of plays to the sidelines or backwards.
Colt also can make defenses pay with the run out of the pocket, but he is also smart about it and avoids the big hit. This keeps even a sack from being a big loss, and also holds the LB's a little longer for open intermediate opportunities---not to mention his ability to create and throw on the run (Big Gay Ben anyone?)
We have a good one and I am very excited, nothing beats accuracy and smarts with athleticism and savvy.
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Great post Earl, i would love to see more like it... X's and O's are great fun.
I'm trying to learn some of the X's and O's better as I never actually played football but I have been watching it for years and have figured things out in that time... a couple of questions about your breakdown.
1) Would that be a power I formation? I understood that would be an offset standard I... I thought a power or stacked I was when a WR was pulled and a THIRD back added to the form. What I can see is Center/QB/FB/RB which i thought was a normal I.
2) Would that be 8 in the box? It looks like the safety is lined up well outside of the line... I thought the box was within the tackles/TE's.
Not nitpicking... I do radio broadcasts for high school football in a small town and am studying up on a game I never played... but again, GREAT post... would love to see more like it down the line!
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Great post Earl, i would love to see more like it... X's and O's are great fun.
I'm trying to learn some of the X's and O's better as I never actually played football but I have been watching it for years and have figured things out in that time... a couple of questions about your breakdown.
1) Would that be a power I formation? I understood that would be an offset standard I... I thought a power or stacked I was when a WR was pulled and a THIRD back added to the form. What I can see is Center/QB/FB/RB which i thought was a normal I.
2) Would that be 8 in the box? It looks like the safety is lined up well outside of the line... I thought the box was within the tackles/TE's.
Not nitpicking... I do radio broadcasts for high school football in a small town and am studying up on a game I never played... but again, GREAT post... would love to see more like it down the line!
Great post Earl, i would love to see more like it... X's and O's are great fun.
I'm trying to learn some of the X's and O's better as I never actually played football but I have been watching it for years and have figured things out in that time... a couple of questions about your breakdown.
1) Would that be a power I formation? I understood that would be an offset standard I... I thought a power or stacked I was when a WR was pulled and a THIRD back added to the form. What I can see is Center/QB/FB/RB which i thought was a normal I.
2) Would that be 8 in the box? It looks like the safety is lined up well outside of the line... I thought the box was within the tackles/TE's.
Not nitpicking... I do radio broadcasts for high school football in a small town and am studying up on a game I never played... but again, GREAT post... would love to see more like it down the line!
I understand about nitpicking. It's not that you want to but rather these little details for those of us that are learning make a big difference. Regarding the formation, it is an offset-I. I've heard it called power or strong meaning that the offset was toward the TE vs. weak. I like the "offset I" term better anyway. As for the box...yes, in the photo, the SF isn't exactly in the "box" but that's a function of my screen capture. He came down on the edge of the box and as I was writing this...I had to choose whether he was in or not. He's there primarily for run support...so I labeled it as "8 in the box" but really he bails out. The point is...if your safety is down on the LOS...he's there to stop the run or blitz first and pass defend second.
Thanks for the positive feedback everyone. I will try to do more of these if time allows.
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Great thread and posts!!!
Colt is going to be a good one, the arm strength stuff is extremely overrated and he has enough. He has not maxed out growing more strength either, as he is just hitting manhood which adds natural strength to coincide with a pro workout regimen and refined mechanics.
Colt's highlights at Texas show him winging it 60 to 65 yards in the air and he did it a fair amount of times. The key to deep accuracy is to control it around and past that 45 to 50 yard mark and lead your receiver properly. All in all this was a pretty good throw from a kid who has had very limited reps with the first team offense and receivers since he was drafted. He is definitely the type to hone in the timing and control it, but I do agree a slightly earlier release (which goes for all QB's) not only gives more room for error but less time for safety recovery. This is a big issue for QB's in general, as most tend to wait a little too long making their reads. Plus, some like to show off the arm and really let it fly, which diminishes the accuracy even further.
A good QB almost always allows his player to make a play on the ball. Jake cost us the Atlanta game by overthrowing a wide open Cribbs for six, and Wallace seems to think the intended receivers are standing five yards out of bounds holding a clipboard. Let's face it, around 80% of your accuracy comes in the short to intermediate range, and there is absolutely no doubt he can thread it in there when need and also lead for YAC.
An overlooked play earlier was when Vickers dropped the quick flat when they were backed up in the endzone. He had room to ramble and Colt led him perfectly, quickly and with perfect touch. These are the kind of plays that get overlooked but win games. Colt will make defenses pay as they try to come after him since he's a rook, he is too composed and aware of what is going on. He has great pocket presence and escapability, things that can't necessarily be coached. Wallace is a perfect example, he has good wheels and is mobile, however, he lacks good pocket presence and likes to run himself out of plays to the sidelines or backwards.
Colt also can make defenses pay with the run out of the pocket, but he is also smart about it and avoids the big hit. This keeps even a sack from being a big loss, and also holds the LB's a little longer for open intermediate opportunities---not to mention his ability to create and throw on the run (Big Gay Ben anyone?)
We have a good one and I am very excited, nothing beats accuracy and smarts with athleticism and savvy.
An overlooked play earlier was when Vickers dropped the quick flat when they were backed up in the endzone. He had room to ramble and Colt led him perfectly, quickly and with perfect touch.
I didn't overlook it. I still envision how the LB stumbled and this guy had about 90 yards of open field in front of him...
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