Colt is looking like the starter against the Pats
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I would've guessed this is the way the Browns would play it. Colt gets another start because the Browns beat the Saints and he has yet to shit the bed. Keeping Wallace off the field today means the Browns can say he wasn't quite ready. That way, if Colt DOES melt down, they can say Wallace IS ready for the Jets.
But if McCoy plays well... even reasonably well... we've likely crossed the point at which you loosen the leash and say he's your guy for the rest of the year.
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I believe I heard on the radio, that Wallace and Jake didn't practice today, because of their ankle injuries.
McCoy has shown tremendous composure, and qb intelligence... he has "IT". We'll get to see how he does vs the Pats.
Holmgren said that McCoy has inspired confidence in him, from his teammates.
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The Pats are in the bottom half of the league in pass defense, but as always they are well coached. I think that this is going to be a good test for McCoy. We see him going up against one of the best teams in the league and if he does well again, I think it will be hard for the coaches to not start him. Wallace's entire reason for starting was that he was doing well in there for an injured Delhomme. With McCoy doing well for an injured Wallace, wouldn't it make sense to keep him to starter. If Wallace were made the starter after he gets better and after McCoy does good, then it indicates that the coaches are just going to go with the original depth chart before injuries, which also means that Delhomme would eventually start over Wallace as well, regardless of how well Wallace is doing.
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Zombo said:
I bet you are a motivational speaker.Zombo
--and you live in a van down by the river...
I think he meant it in a kinda-sorta positive way: If you can survive a three team stretch that's won 6 of the last 9 Super Bowls (Steelers, Saints, Pats), everything else should seem easy. But it's almost hilarious to add that the Jets D would be next. Not sure I've ever seen a murderer's row of first starts like that.
Makes you eager to see him against an ordinary team.
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The Pats are in the bottom half of the league in pass defense, but as always they are well coached. I think that this is going to be a good test for McCoy. We see him going up against one of the best teams in the league and if he does well again, I think it will be hard for the coaches to not start him. Wallace's entire reason for starting was that he was doing well in there for an injured Delhomme. With McCoy doing well for an injured Wallace, wouldn't it make sense to keep him to starter. If Wallace were made the starter after he gets better and after McCoy does good, then it indicates that the coaches are just going to go with the original depth chart before injuries, which also means that Delhomme would eventually start over Wallace as well, regardless of how well Wallace is doing.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
The Pats are in the bottom half of the league in pass defense, but as always they are well coached. I think that this is going to be a good test for McCoy. We see him going up against one of the best teams in the league and if he does well again, I think it will be hard for the coaches to not start him. Wallace's entire reason for starting was that he was doing well in there for an injured Delhomme. With McCoy doing well for an injured Wallace, wouldn't it make sense to keep him to starter. If Wallace were made the starter after he gets better and after McCoy does good, then it indicates that the coaches are just going to go with the original depth chart before injuries, which also means that Delhomme would eventually start over Wallace as well, regardless of how well Wallace is doing.Agree 100% Bradford is doing reasonably well for the Rams (and I don't see their offense at other positions being any better than the Browns), so should McCoy play OK against the Pats, IMHO he's earned the chance to start the rest of the year. And for once I'll sing Shep's mantra- it would be nice to know if Colt can be the long-term answer @ qb, considering there's going to be a bunch of "supposedly" potential NFL hotshot qbs in the 2011 draft. Holmgren said he needed 4-5 starts to truly evaluate a qb.
Really, this is a no lose situation for the Browns- (as mentioned barring a miracle, the Browns aren't making the playoffs this year) McCoy does well, we just keep riding the same pony- he has a lousy game at some point in this game or the rest of the season, and it would do no harm to sit him and say Wallace is finally healthy. I think Jake is done, other than being a mentor.
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Zombo said:
I see what you are saying, that it is quite of series of tests for Young Colt.I was just making reference to Gip's "Debbie Downer" reputation on the board that he seems to relish.
Good to see you back (again) ... we are 0-3 when we pass for over 200 yards, but 2-0 when we rush for over 100 yards and win the turnover battle.
So let's not get all "Give me a franchise QB or Give me Death" at this point in time...
Zombo
I think it's great to win games in different ways... but for the long haul, you ain't gonna win much for long without a serious guy at the centerpiece position... for about a decade or so. It's a commonality of all the teams that sustain success for more than a year or two. You can look at the best teams for the this Millenium or for ANY decade... and you'll find stability and excellence at quarterback.
Ironically, the most recent article about that fact quoted John Gruden a TON. He basically said everything else is easy once you have your long-term guy at QB. Holmgren just said the same thing the other day.
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Hi Pats fan here.
Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
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If he didn't fold against Pittsburgh and New Orleans which are both attacking defenses, I can promise you the Pats aren't going to scare him. Yes, he could do poorly but I bet you that Seneca is really nervous right about now. Every good snap Colt takes in a real game goes a long way to pushing Wallace back to the bench;
You don't like to throw the rookie to the wolves but he's done admirably so far. Ride the wave.
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Hi Pats fan here.
Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
Hi Pats fan here.
Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
Don't count on it. He started against the Squealers and the Saints, and they threw everything they could at him. He expects it, and he did a good job.
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Hi Pats fan here.
Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Like the last time Belichick's boys played a Mangini team?
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Sounds like he's done pretty well against 2 very tough defenses. Belichick will take away the couple most important weapons which look to be Watson and Cribbs, and force the Browns to beat us with the rest of what he has to work with. Looks like it should be a great game and not an easy win for either team.
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Hi Pats fan here.
Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
Hi Pats fan here.
hi Pats fan. nice screen name.Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
regardless of who starts, it definitely helps them they practice against a Rob Ryan 3-4 defense every day. that's pretty huge, and if it's Colt it will make a significant difference for him vs comparison to other rookies starting against the Pats.
Colt admitted recently he loves road games. not sure whether he also loves games at home, but it will help manage the pressure some at least.
fwiw if Jake's healthy i give him the nod, and believe EM will too...but i don't think he is. as much as i want to see Colt and like playing the current hot hand, he'll survive being benched>>>i give SW the start.
season Colt a bit longer and keep Seneca's pride in check, as we evaluate him against a top tier team. lots of ?'s on this team, no need to focus only on the sexy ones and ignore others also important to the Browns future.
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Hi Pats fan here.
hi Pats fan. nice screen name.Haven't seen McCoy play and don't know much about him. I can say that rookie QBs usually do awful against a Belichick defense the first time they face it. And you can bet since you guys have Mangini that BB will pull out all the stops and toss all kinds of things at McCoy that he probably hasn't seen before.
Our Dline and run D have been good, and the secondary has played much better the last couple games. This should be a tough game for the Browns but also a trap game for the Pats.
regardless of who starts, it definitely helps them they practice against a Rob Ryan 3-4 defense every day. that's pretty huge, and if it's Colt it will make a significant difference for him vs comparison to other rookies starting against the Pats.
Colt admitted recently he loves road games. not sure whether he also loves games at home, but it will help manage the pressure some at least.
fwiw if Jake's healthy i give him the nod, and believe EM will too...but i don't think he is. as much as i want to see Colt and like playing the current hot hand, he'll survive being benched>>>i give SW the start.
season Colt a bit longer and keep Seneca's pride in check, as we evaluate him against a top tier team. lots of ?'s on this team, no need to focus only on the sexy ones and ignore others also important to the Browns future.
hi Pats fan. nice screen name.
regardless of who starts, it definitely helps them they practice against a Rob Ryan 3-4 defense every day. that's pretty huge, and if it's Colt it will make a significant difference for him vs comparison to other rookies starting against the Pats.
Colt admitted recently he loves road games. not sure whether he also loves games at home, but it will help manage the pressure some at least.
fwiw if Jake's healthy i give him the nod, and believe EM will too...but i don't think he is. as much as i want to see Colt and like playing the current hot hand, he'll survive being benched>>>i give SW the start.
season Colt a bit longer and keep Seneca's pride in check, as we evaluate him against a top tier team. lots of ?'s on this team, no need to focus only on the sexy ones and ignore others also important to the Browns future.
AHHH!!! Not Delhomme. If we start him, we're pretty much conceding the game. He's junk and too washed up. He hasn't been practicing for a long time now and he just needs to stay on the sidelines as a mentor. He can teach Colt that it's not too bad in Ohio vs Texas...
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Gotta think anybody who wants to start Delhomme now, next year, or ever is just cutting against the grain. Makes zero sense for a team trying to round into playoff shape for 2011 and 2012. He's old, he's injury-prone, he got cut for Matt Moore, nobody else wanted him, and his good years are getting really small in the rearview mirror.
I just don't know what the point would be. Wallace is better right now and McCoy has more upside than either. Wouldn't you like McCoy to go into the offseason with 11 straight starts under his belt and for once have a clear-cut #1? I sure as hell would.
Right now, I set the odds for Delhomme being on the team next year at about one in 50 and headed downward. If we stayed in this offense, I could buy him as a backup/mentor for McCoy, because they like each other... but I really think we're headed for a WCO, which Delhomme has never played. Wallace has a ton of experience in Holmgren's WCO.
If McCoy starts and Wallace backs up, I won't be shocked to see a much younger #3, someone with some upside. It's something Holmgren likes to do.
BTW, it's officially McCoy this Sunday. Wallace was ruled out. After three straight starts and a bye week, McCoy probably knows the offense better than Delhomme.
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Gotta think anybody who wants to start Delhomme now, next year, or ever is just cutting against the grain. Makes zero sense for a team trying to round into playoff shape for 2011 and 2012. He's old, he's injury-prone, he got cut for Matt Moore, nobody else wanted him, and his good years are getting really small in the rearview mirror.
I just don't know what the point would be. Wallace is better right now and McCoy has more upside than either. Wouldn't you like McCoy to go into the offseason with 11 straight starts under his belt and for once have a clear-cut #1? I sure as hell would.
Right now, I set the odds for Delhomme being on the team next year at about one in 50 and headed downward. If we stayed in this offense, I could buy him as a backup/mentor for McCoy, because they like each other... but I really think we're headed for a WCO, which Delhomme has never played. Wallace has a ton of experience in Holmgren's WCO.
If McCoy starts and Wallace backs up, I won't be shocked to see a much younger #3, someone with some upside. It's something Holmgren likes to do.
BTW, it's officially McCoy this Sunday. Wallace was ruled out. After three straight starts and a bye week, McCoy probably knows the offense better than Delhomme.
Gotta think anybody who wants to start Delhomme now, next year, or ever is just cutting against the grain. Makes zero sense for a team trying to round into playoff shape for 2011 and 2012. He's old, he's injury-prone, he got cut for Matt Moore, nobody else wanted him, and his good years are getting really small in the rearview mirror.
I just don't know what the point would be. Wallace is better right now and McCoy has more upside than either. Wouldn't you like McCoy to go into the offseason with 11 straight starts under his belt and for once have a clear-cut #1? I sure as hell would.
Right now, I set the odds for Delhomme being on the team next year at about one in 50 and headed downward. If we stayed in this offense, I could buy him as a backup/mentor for McCoy, because they like each other... but I really think we're headed for a WCO, which Delhomme has never played. Wallace has a ton of experience in Holmgren's WCO.
If McCoy starts and Wallace backs up, I won't be shocked to see a much younger #3, someone with some upside. It's something Holmgren likes to do.
BTW, it's officially McCoy this Sunday. Wallace was ruled out. After three straight starts and a bye week, McCoy probably knows the offense better than Delhomme.
Exactly.
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Delhomme had a great preseason, was voted captain by his peers, and is getting paid 7 mil...it's his job to lose. imo, he hasn't lost it yet.
if Jake's healthy and it's McCoy, there's no turning back, so i would agree Jake is a duster. if he's not, that still gives them an out re: McCoy.
i want to see McCoy play Sunday as much as anyone but we can't get anxious with this. he can afford to season a bit more, and a hungrier McCoy can't be a bad thing.
if it's McCoy and SW feels like he's healthy...it could get pretty messy. we'll have to see how it plays out (if EM allows us to see, that is).
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Delhomme isn't good enough these days to have a lock on a job for any NFL team. He isn't Hasselbeck, let alone Brady. His job entitlement is zilch. We don't have "that guy" and shouldn't pretend we do.
Screw the 7 million. It was a national joke anyway. There's just no point to starting Delhomme now that we're halfway through the season, 2-5, he's played one half, and he isn't expected to be healthy until week 10.
Makes zero sense.
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