Youth Jets fan injured after game
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I'm a little concerned that some here quickly accept "the other side of the story" as truth. Why? Why are exceedingly drunk dumbasses who run over kids in parking lots so overflowing with credibility? Because they can dial a phone and call a talk show host?
One of the first third party accounts verified what the dad/mom said, that the guy was Retarded drunk and "tackled" the kid, although not very dramatically and probably trying to be funny.
I get concerned on these "she was asking for it" revisionist history numbers.
I'm a little concerned that some here quickly accept "the other side of the story" as truth. Why? Why are exceedingly drunk dumbasses who run over kids in parking lots so overflowing with credibility? Because they can dial a phone and call a talk show host?
One of the first third party accounts verified what the dad/mom said, that the guy was Retarded drunk and "tackled" the kid, although not very dramatically and probably trying to be funny.
I get concerned on these "she was asking for it" revisionist history numbers.
Either way, there are a lot of people in this world that shouldn't drink because of their inability to handle themselves.
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Kudos to all the browns fans that put aside all the other crap and stated flat out that an 8 year old didn't deserve this.
Maybe the guy was drunk and just fell on the kid.
- Did the hotdogs just slip out of peoples hands and fly towards them?
- Did the hecklers just have a freuidan slip when they called the kid and his father whatever they called them?
I can understand the explanation I saw earlier where the guy was drunk as there are so many in the parking lots that fit that description however the other items are very believable. None of it excuses what happened to that kid though.
You have to call a spade a spade in issues like this.
Pittsburgh fans, when it comes to cleveland fans, aren't much better as I have a friend that's a browns fan and his wife that got it pretty good in Pittsburgh this year so I'm not saying we're clean in this.
I would never take my kid to a cleveland game because I wouldn't expect that we were going to enjoy a game and possibly be involved in a good rivalry. I would expect no less then 8 situations like what was mentioned in this story and more to come up. A lot of these types of things happened to me when I came up there, some deserved as a friend I was with thouroughly enjoyed our win and his beer, and others not so much as my wife and I were just trying to enjoy the game and root for our team. We're adults and were able to get through it but children just don't deserve any of that junk. Children aren't quite able to handle it as much.
If this kid, or any other, is mouthing off then tackle his dad and tell him to straighten his kid out if it's that unbearable and you just can't control yourself. Better yet tackle whichever Browns player lost the game for you, causing yet another long walk back to your car
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People are so gay.. bottom line is it was one fan and none of us did this. The difference is if we did know who didn't I'm sure the browns securty wouldn't let him back in the stadium.
Unlike other teams who let a rapist play for them!
Let's move on... who the hell cares
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People are so gay.. bottom line is it was one fan and none of us did this. The difference is if we did know who didn't I'm sure the browns securty wouldn't let him back in the stadium.
Unlike other teams who let a rapist play for them!
Let's move on... who the hell cares
People are so gay.. bottom line is it was one fan and none of us did this. The difference is if we did know who didn't I'm sure the browns securty wouldn't let him back in the stadium.
Unlike other teams who let a rapist play for them!
Let's move on... who the hell cares
Nice attempt at a redirect wrrebel. You won't see me defending Ben but he has nothing to do with this issue.
If it was one fan it probably wouldn't be an issue however I doubt the same fan threw hotdogs, swore at and called the kid names, and then placed himself in their path on the way out of the stadium so that he could fall on him, tackle him, or whatever he did. It was a group of people that caused an overall experience for the kid. That's why it's being made into an issue.
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Stiller, did the steelers offer the girl that got raped vip seats or mechandise..
Maybe next time u should defend ur son u pssy
Stiller, did the steelers offer the girl that got raped vip seats or mechandise..
Maybe next time u should defend ur son u pssy
I can see you're a bright one. What happened to those girls had nothing to do with the Steelers so why would they?
I tried to defend myself when I got beer thrown on me but the guy ran down the stairs and out of sight. It was probably you.
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mikeyP72 said:
He said it was two guys going deep and both went up for the ball and accidentally knocked the kid over. It was just as I expected, a bunch of BS that spread out of control.So now we have the following "eyewitness" reports
- It was a guy too drunk to control himself and fell on the kid (from somewhere in this thread)
- It was a guy that actually tackled the kid (from the mom's account)
- It was two guys that went up for a ball and accidentally knocked the kid over (from the radio)
However the mom's account states that the guy landed on top of the kid. The drunk guy account at least matches the mom's story.
Maybe the guy didn't intend to tackle him. I don't know. It is unfortunate that the overall issue occured though.
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Violence is all around us. It has been for the last 100 million years. Animals fight and people fight for fun, sport, and self defense. It's nothing new. Sometimes the only way to handle the situtation is to knock someones teeth out. If you really think that two grown men that are not getting along can talk about they're differences then you are either gay, a mamas boy who cant fight, or a hippie.
It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
I know if some guy started pushing me I wouldn't say oh, im sorry, how can we resolve this? If I did that I would be on the ground knocked out before I could even think about defending myself.
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Violence is all around us. It has been for the last 100 million years. Animals fight and people fight for fun, sport, and self defense. It's nothing new. Sometimes the only way to handle the situtation is to knock someones teeth out. If you really think that two grown men that are not getting along can talk about they're differences then you are either gay, a mamas boy who cant fight, or a hippie.
It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
I know if some guy started pushing me I wouldn't say oh, im sorry, how can we resolve this? If I did that I would be on the ground knocked out before I could even think about defending myself.
It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
That's a pretty deep question but I'd bet the answer doesn't involve anything resembling a group of people explaining away what happened to this kid as being a non-issue.
If you're only referring to myself and rebel's sidebar. Well that's just something that's not worth getting into as it can only look like keyboard muscles at best.
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It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
That's a pretty deep question but I'd bet the answer doesn't involve anything resembling a group of people explaining away what happened to this kid as being a non-issue.
If you're only referring to myself and rebel's sidebar. Well that's just something that's not worth getting into as it can only look like keyboard muscles at best.
That's a pretty deep question but I'd bet the answer doesn't involve anything resembling a group of people explaining away what happened to this kid as being a non-issue.
If you're only referring to myself and rebel's sidebar. Well that's just something that's not worth getting into as it can only look like keyboard muscles at best.
Hate to agree with the enemy who really isn't, but safety at NFL stadiums IS an issue and an important one.
And to the guy saying violence is really cool because it's just the way things are? Bullshit. I don't know what cave you live in, but I'm a 45-year-old man living in a civilized society who doesn't want either of his boys, both as tough and big as their dad, thinking that hitting someone solves anything. Can't imagine who in our upper-bracket bedroom community thinks slugging it out is "the way things are." It isn't. That's NOT the world we live in, which is why "Fight Club" was written. You're just wrong. The only adults who fight are arrested adolescent failures watching grownup life pass them by.
And no, it's not true that the only people who come up with more mature ways to handle conflict than fighting are all "homosexuals and hippies," which is one of the more troubling, outdated, and intolerant phrases ever written, even on a football board. I'm 6'3", 208, and I've yet to lose a fight. I've been in more than a few (unfortunately), the last just a few years ago when the Browns hosted the Chiefs.
So if that means I'm a gay hippy, I'll be a very, very proud one... because I would only fight if I absolutely had to. Not to prove anything.
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First rule of fight club?
U don't talk about fight club!
I really don't think anyone agrees with what happened. Non of us where there so we don't know what really happened. Maybe they should just stop selling alcahol at browns games..
Anytime you go to an event where people are drinking you put urslef at risk for this type of behavior. Doesn't make it right but that's just a fact.
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That's a pretty deep question but I'd bet the answer doesn't involve anything resembling a group of people explaining away what happened to this kid as being a non-issue.
If you're only referring to myself and rebel's sidebar. Well that's just something that's not worth getting into as it can only look like keyboard muscles at best.
Hate to agree with the enemy who really isn't, but safety at NFL stadiums IS an issue and an important one.
And to the guy saying violence is really cool because it's just the way things are? Bullshit. I don't know what cave you live in, but I'm a 45-year-old man living in a civilized society who doesn't want either of his boys, both as tough and big as their dad, thinking that hitting someone solves anything. Can't imagine who in our upper-bracket bedroom community thinks slugging it out is "the way things are." It isn't. That's NOT the world we live in, which is why "Fight Club" was written. You're just wrong. The only adults who fight are arrested adolescent failures watching grownup life pass them by.
And no, it's not true that the only people who come up with more mature ways to handle conflict than fighting are all "homosexuals and hippies," which is one of the more troubling, outdated, and intolerant phrases ever written, even on a football board. I'm 6'3", 208, and I've yet to lose a fight. I've been in more than a few (unfortunately), the last just a few years ago when the Browns hosted the Chiefs.
So if that means I'm a gay hippy, I'll be a very, very proud one... because I would only fight if I absolutely had to. Not to prove anything.
Hate to agree with the enemy who really isn't, but safety at NFL stadiums IS an issue and an important one.
And to the guy saying violence is really cool because it's just the way things are? Bullshit. I don't know what cave you live in, but I'm a 45-year-old man living in a civilized society who doesn't want either of his boys, both as tough and big as their dad, thinking that hitting someone solves anything. Can't imagine who in our upper-bracket bedroom community thinks slugging it out is "the way things are." It isn't. That's NOT the world we live in, which is why "Fight Club" was written. You're just wrong. The only adults who fight are arrested adolescent failures watching grownup life pass them by.
And no, it's not true that the only people who come up with more mature ways to handle conflict than fighting are all "homosexuals and hippies," which is one of the more troubling, outdated, and intolerant phrases ever written, even on a football board. I'm 6'3", 208, and I've yet to lose a fight. I've been in more than a few (unfortunately), the last just a few years ago when the Browns hosted the Chiefs.
So if that means I'm a gay hippy, I'll be a very, very proud one... because I would only fight if I absolutely had to. Not to prove anything.
Shep I am definitely on your side. I hate drama, and I would much rather get along with others, instead of having to resolve it through fists. Especially considering the way people fight today. You kick someone's ass, and they come back with their boys, or a gun. However; sometimes a fist fight is a necessary evil. As for my kid, I make it a point to let him know not to be a bully, but do NOT let someone assault you! So far, so good. Call me Mr. Myagi, or whatever, but in most cases (aside from someone screwing with your wife, kid, or family) resorting to fighting should be an absolute last resort.
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Anytime you get a whole lot of people, in any city, for any reason, and a all sorts of them might be drinking,
even at a party, there's bound to be some jerk who gets out of control and enraged/violent.
Normal people who are adults know better. I've been taught that it's a matter of honor to walk away from a fight if you can.
But in a matter of self defense, including defense of you family and friends, etc, you have no choice, you win the fight.
Before I suggest we get back to talking about our Browns beating the Jags... I agree with Shep.
But, what he's saying means he ISN'T a gay hippy. Gay hippies don't take any provocation seriously, and are too stoned to fight anyways.
Initiating violence is never justified, responding with violence strictly in self defense is.
How freakin hard is that? Now I feel sorry I added to a dumb thread. LOL
Browns will win, 31 - 10. @@
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Anytime you get a whole lot of people, in any city, for any reason, and a all sorts of them might be drinking,
even at a party, there's bound to be some jerk who gets out of control and enraged/violent.
Normal people who are adults know better. I've been taught that it's a matter of honor to walk away from a fight if you can.
But in a matter of self defense, including defense of you family and friends, etc, you have no choice, you win the fight.
Before I suggest we get back to talking about our Browns beating the Jags... I agree with Shep.
But, what he's saying means he ISN'T a gay hippy. Gay hippies don't take any provocation seriously, and are too stoned to fight anyways.
Initiating violence is never justified, responding with violence strictly in self defense is.
How freakin hard is that? Now I feel sorry I added to a dumb thread. LOL
Browns will win, 31 - 10. @@
Anytime you get a whole lot of people, in any city, for any reason, and a all sorts of them might be drinking,
even at a party, there's bound to be some jerk who gets out of control and enraged/violent. Normal people who are adults know better. I've been taught that it's a matter of honor to walk away from a fight if you can.
But in a matter of self defense, including defense of you family and friends, etc, you have no choice, you win the fight.
Before I suggest we get back to talking about our Browns beating the Jags... I agree with Shep.
But, what he's saying means he ISN'T a gay hippy. Gay hippies don't take any provocation seriously, and are too stoned to fight anyways.
Initiating violence is never justified, responding with violence strictly in self defense is.
How freakin hard is that? Now I feel sorry I added to a dumb thread. LOL
Browns will win, 31 - 10. @@
You aren't kidding. I was a DJ for many years in Cleveland area bars and night clubs, and I have first hand experience of the bullshit that goes on with excessive drinking! You would think that normal adults would know better, but sometimes alcohol brings out the very worst in people's behavior. As for hippies, hell... anymore I'd rather be around a group of potheads than a group of drunks, and yes I have a few cocktails myself every now and then. But, I know my limits as an individual. With that said, I would love to conduct an experiment, and that is to get a group of people in a room with a ton of alcohol, and give them a debate to talk about. Get another group together, a bunch of potheads and give them the same debate. Which group do you think will become violent first? I'm betting the drunks start throwing fists before the stoners! The only danger in the stoner group is to the bag of Doritos, LOL!
Finally, I agree, violence in self defense is justified. Of course as a last resort.
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Violence is all around us. It has been for the last 100 million years. Animals fight and people fight for fun, sport, and self defense. It's nothing new. Sometimes the only way to handle the situtation is to knock someones teeth out. If you really think that two grown men that are not getting along can talk about they're differences then you are either gay, a mamas boy who cant fight, or a hippie.
It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
I know if some guy started pushing me I wouldn't say oh, im sorry, how can we resolve this? If I did that I would be on the ground knocked out before I could even think about defending myself.
Violence is all around us. It has been for the last 100 million years. Animals fight and people fight for fun, sport, and self defense. It's nothing new. Sometimes the only way to handle the situtation is to knock someones teeth out. If you really think that two grown men that are not getting along can talk about they're differences then you are either gay, a mamas boy who cant fight, or a hippie.
It's human nature to hurt someone before they hurt you just like it is for every animal. How do you think the world was before it was civilized?
I know if some guy started pushing me I wouldn't say oh, im sorry, how can we resolve this? If I did that I would be on the ground knocked out before I could even think about defending myself.
What a sad world you must live in. Resorting to physical confrontation says a lot about a person's intelligence (much like resorting to the gay comments). I'm not saying that there isn't a time for it but it should be the absolute last possible choice.
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