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  • We screwed ourselves. That many turnovers and our offense does jack?

  • the thing that i find the most mind boggling is why did the browns go conservative against the worst d they've faced in the last few weeks? vs pitt, no, ne, ny and the browns play to win. vs carolina and the browns play not to lose. wth????

  • ATENEARSA ATENEARS

    @hx214 said:

    Stan,

    I understand what you are saying but...

    Last week a tie gets you nothing. I think that call was the correct one.

    A tie gets you out of the 'L' column.

    @atenears said:

    A tie gets you out of the 'L' column.

    This sounds like the "play not to lose" approach.

    ATENEARSA 1 Reply

  • What I don't get is why we have 100% dependable receivers in Hillis and Moore and yet Hillis is almost always hanging around in the backfield blocking instead of doing middle curls for eacy yards. Vickers should be picking up the blitz. Robert Royal once again proves that he can't catch a cold, yet he gets playing time over Moore? It's boggling sometimes. Oh, and how about that stunning change of pace back Mike Bell? 14 carries for 11 yards this season.

  • S samoth

    What I don't get is why we have 100% dependable receivers in Hillis and Moore and yet Hillis is almost always hanging around in the backfield blocking instead of doing middle curls for eacy yards. Vickers should be picking up the blitz. Robert Royal once again proves that he can't catch a cold, yet he gets playing time over Moore? It's boggling sometimes. Oh, and how about that stunning change of pace back Mike Bell? 14 carries for 11 yards this season.

    @samoth said:

    What I don't get is why we have 100% dependable receivers in Hillis and Moore and yet Hillis is almost always hanging around in the backfield blocking instead of doing middle curls for eacy yards. Vickers should be picking up the blitz. Robert Royal once again proves that he can't catch a cold, yet he gets playing time over Moore? It's boggling sometimes. Oh, and how about that stunning change of pace back Mike Bell? 14 carries for 11 yards this season.

    I asked the same thing about Moore. I wonder if he is a terrible run blocker. That seems to be the only logic that I can think of as to why he isn't on the field all the time.

    I also don't understand the lack of production out of Bell. I figured he would be able to step in and at least give Hillis a breather. I wasn't so worried when they dumped Harrison (although I still think he is a great RB) but when they dumped Davis too I was worried the run game would be way to one sided. I still think they need to get that speed back that can turn the corner on a pitch when they are stacking the box.

  • hx214H hx214

    @samoth said:

    What I don't get is why we have 100% dependable receivers in Hillis and Moore and yet Hillis is almost always hanging around in the backfield blocking instead of doing middle curls for eacy yards. Vickers should be picking up the blitz. Robert Royal once again proves that he can't catch a cold, yet he gets playing time over Moore? It's boggling sometimes. Oh, and how about that stunning change of pace back Mike Bell? 14 carries for 11 yards this season.

    I asked the same thing about Moore. I wonder if he is a terrible run blocker. That seems to be the only logic that I can think of as to why he isn't on the field all the time.

    I also don't understand the lack of production out of Bell. I figured he would be able to step in and at least give Hillis a breather. I wasn't so worried when they dumped Harrison (although I still think he is a great RB) but when they dumped Davis too I was worried the run game would be way to one sided. I still think they need to get that speed back that can turn the corner on a pitch when they are stacking the box.

    @hx214 said:

    I asked the same thing about Moore. I wonder if he is a terrible run blocker. That seems to be the only logic that I can think of as to why he isn't on the field all the time.

    I also don't understand the lack of production out of Bell. I figured he would be able to step in and at least give Hillis a breather. I wasn't so worried when they dumped Harrison (although I still think he is a great RB) but when they dumped Davis too I was worried the run game would be way to one sided. I still think they need to get that speed back that can turn the corner on a pitch when they are stacking the box.

    We had that, it was Jerome Harrison.

    ATENEARSA 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @sj_browns said:

    don't put all of this on daboll. eric mangini is the hc and he needs to be partially held accountable for the pathetic playcalling in the 2nd half. think about it, if you were the hc and you had an oc calling conservative plays like daboll did in the 2nd half (when the pass was killing the opposing team's defense in the 1st half) wouldn't you step in and do something about it? no excuses!! and for all of the complaining about not having any good wrs, i'll bring something up about that. we all know kokinis was a puppet and mangini ran the show last season. so wasn't it mangini's fault for drafting 2 similiar styled wrs that early in the draft? or are we going to act like mangini can do no wrong and it's always someone elses fault? i stood up for mangini when he was attacked for the bus trip, fining be for not paying for the bottle of water, etc., but the guy needs to step up and do something about this conservatism. it's either mangini isn't making necessary adjustments as a hc on offense or he's the one that's responsible for the conservatism.

    Oh, no I agree 100%. I love Mangini, but this is his fault. He brought in an unexperienced coach who's never held a position higher than QB coach anywhere to run an NFL offense. It was a move of comfort at best, and now that Mangini has built a system in Cleveland and developed a comfort zone, Daboll needs to be gone yesterday. Don't forget though, Mangini is a defensive guy, not an offensive one. There's no doubt in my mind he should have taken over the reigns a bit and opened up the playbook. But at the same time, you don't want to have him take over if he's not comfortable knowing the offense.

    So, that does alleviate some of the blame. But, ignorance is no excuse. Mangini needs to step it up with the offense. The defense is making great strides, because of Mangini and Ryan. Now it's the offense's time to catch up. Bring in Norv Turner.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Oh, no I agree 100%. I love Mangini, but this is his fault. He brought in an unexperienced coach who's never held a position higher than QB coach anywhere to run an NFL offense. It was a move of comfort at best, and now that Mangini has built a system in Cleveland and developed a comfort zone, Daboll needs to be gone yesterday. Don't forget though, Mangini is a defensive guy, not an offensive one. There's no doubt in my mind he should have taken over the reigns a bit and opened up the playbook. But at the same time, you don't want to have him take over if he's not comfortable knowing the offense.

    So, that does alleviate some of the blame. But, ignorance is no excuse. Mangini needs to step it up with the offense. The defense is making great strides, because of Mangini and Ryan. Now it's the offense's time to catch up. Bring in Norv Turner.

    Norv Turner would be a disaster for this team...he does not allow his QB's to call audibles and change plays at the line of scrimmage...NO THANKS!

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • hx214H hx214

    @atenears said:

    A tie gets you out of the 'L' column.

    This sounds like the "play not to lose" approach.

    @hx214 said:

    This sounds like the "play not to lose" approach.

    No, just don't lose approach.

  • S samoth

    @hx214 said:

    I asked the same thing about Moore. I wonder if he is a terrible run blocker. That seems to be the only logic that I can think of as to why he isn't on the field all the time.

    I also don't understand the lack of production out of Bell. I figured he would be able to step in and at least give Hillis a breather. I wasn't so worried when they dumped Harrison (although I still think he is a great RB) but when they dumped Davis too I was worried the run game would be way to one sided. I still think they need to get that speed back that can turn the corner on a pitch when they are stacking the box.

    We had that, it was Jerome Harrison.

    @samoth said:

    We had that, it was Jerome Harrison.

    Jerome Harrison turned out to be a little bitch. Seriously, the guy couldn't break a shoe string tackle his first few years and I give him credit for pounding iron with Jamal Lewis in the off-seasons to get better. But the whinning after his daddy was sent packing didn't measure up to the slightly improved play. Then he couldn't handle the drafting of Hardesty and the pick-up of Hillis. Once Hillis started week-one in Tampa, Harrison quit.

    Harrison quit. He's over with ... give the staff some credit for trying to find a non-attitude to contribute behind Hillis.

    Hillis was the right call, he is better than Harrison and it was Harrison who couldn't stomach the reserve role, not the Browns organization.

  • WRREBELW WRREBEL

    I feel sick to my stomach.. You just knew they were gonna lose with all the missed oportunities..

    I have no idea why we do throw it to evan moore, more lol....

    Im so pissed im gonna go look for an 8 year old to tackle!

    @wrrebel said:

    I feel sick to my stomach.. You just knew they were gonna lose with all the missed oportunities..

    I have no idea why we do throw it to evan moore, more lol....

    Im so pissed im gonna go look for an 8 year old to tackle!

    I feel ya. As the game went on and turnover after turnover went for nothing and the offense stuck in idle. You could sense that to hold on to the lead would be a big maybe. Then that old heartbreak feeling when their miget back goes almost to the house under 2 minutes left. You cuss out loud and also wonder if Cribbs would have been healthy maybe a different outcome. Well move on and pound some Panther azz this week.

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