Anatomy of A Play
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5. The Finish
This is just to show Brian Robiskie. Perhaps it made no difference on this play but neither he nor his defender look like they even WANT to get physical. Note to Brian: Being a Cleveland Brown means you have to block. If you're watching, you AIN'T PLAYIN' FOOTBALL! Watching this play again, he never even touches the defender. Poor Peyton Hillis has three guys hanging on him and you can't be bothered to knock the CB on his ass? Big gains on the ground in the NFL are usually a result of two things: downfield blocking and lack of gap integrity. On this play we see the former.
SUMMARY: On this play, we see a nice counter that resulted in a big play. The combination of counter-action, some adequate but not great (except for Royal!) blocking, a mistake by a LB and good ol' #40 makes this play a success. "Ace, Twins right, 26 counter"
Hope this wasn't too boring.
Wasn't boring at all ....did Robiskie's guy make the tackle?
Wasn't boring at all ....did Robiskie's guy make the tackle?
No...so it's probably a moot point but I'm watching on the replay and he never even touches the defender.
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That ain't a little trouble with Dansby..Steinback got stood up and has no leverage..He should be sealing him and not getting pushed backwards..Royal should be getting his ass in the hole and also sealing off. Good down blocks by Mack and the guard. Well designed run
That ain't a little trouble with Dansby..Steinback got stood up and has no leverage..He should be sealing him and not getting pushed backwards..Royal should be getting his ass in the hole and also sealing off. Good down blocks by Mack and the guard. Well designed run
The photos don't do Royal justice. He knocked Wake on his ass as Hillis ran by. Not the best technique but it was the best result.
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That's beside the point, when you're a receiver, your head is turned and your goal is to block the guy in front of you. You have no idea what's going on behind you until either
A) A whistle blows
or
B ) You see Hillis blow past everyone and your corner giving up on trying to beat your block
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The fact that Robiskie never even touches the defender, let alone put a nice block on him like he should do, makes me want this bum cut from the team come January. Our receiving corps needs a huge re-working, I like all the guys effort besides Robiskie, but we need change here BIG TIME.
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Whats so wrong with Brian Robiskie here. I honestly hated the pick, and still do to be honest with you. His man is 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and still in front of him to throw a block if Peyton gets through. I would say he did his job there...
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Whats so wrong with Brian Robiskie here. I honestly hated the pick, and still do to be honest with you. His man is 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and still in front of him to throw a block if Peyton gets through. I would say he did his job there...
Whats so wrong with Brian Robiskie here. I honestly hated the pick, and still do to be honest with you. His man is 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and still in front of him to throw a block if Peyton gets through. I would say he did his job there...
Perhaps, on some level, it's simply a bias that arises out of what we've seen from him in the past. There doesn't always seem to be consistent effort and that's a perception more than it is a fact. Before that still shot of Robiskie, he's looking back at Hillis. The fact that he never engages his man physically is what's bothersome. Does he need to drive him into the bench? No, but if Peyton breaks a tackle, he has to hope he's in good enough position to block the man. Depending on how fast Hillis is in the open field, that may not be possible. Like I said above, it's probably a moot point but it bothers me. My cross to bear, I suppose.
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Aces. Thanx Coach!!!
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Whats so wrong with Brian Robiskie here. I honestly hated the pick, and still do to be honest with you. His man is 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and still in front of him to throw a block if Peyton gets through. I would say he did his job there...
Perhaps, on some level, it's simply a bias that arises out of what we've seen from him in the past. There doesn't always seem to be consistent effort and that's a perception more than it is a fact. Before that still shot of Robiskie, he's looking back at Hillis. The fact that he never engages his man physically is what's bothersome. Does he need to drive him into the bench? No, but if Peyton breaks a tackle, he has to hope he's in good enough position to block the man. Depending on how fast Hillis is in the open field, that may not be possible. Like I said above, it's probably a moot point but it bothers me. My cross to bear, I suppose.
Perhaps, on some level, it's simply a bias that arises out of what we've seen from him in the past. There doesn't always seem to be consistent effort and that's a perception more than it is a fact. Before that still shot of Robiskie, he's looking back at Hillis. The fact that he never engages his man physically is what's bothersome. Does he need to drive him into the bench? No, but if Peyton breaks a tackle, he has to hope he's in good enough position to block the man. Depending on how fast Hillis is in the open field, that may not be possible. Like I said above, it's probably a moot point but it bothers me. My cross to bear, I suppose.
I was a bit short in my first reply. You really dont see the ending of the play. In the last picture it still looks like he has good position on the CB. Now should he have engage the CB earlier sure he could/should have.
Nice to admit you might be a bit bias towards Robiskie but its not like you havent point out other players mistakes including Hillis. Hey I'm a bit bias towards Robo myself but I want to see the guy to succeed. Hes not going to be a #1 or even#2 but I damn sure know after watching him at OSU for 4 years he can catch the ball.
Now I ask you Earl if you can go back and watch the Panther game and see what you think of Robiskie's blocking in that game.
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I have seen Brian Robiskie make plenty of solid blocks.
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Perhaps, on some level, it's simply a bias that arises out of what we've seen from him in the past. There doesn't always seem to be consistent effort and that's a perception more than it is a fact. Before that still shot of Robiskie, he's looking back at Hillis. The fact that he never engages his man physically is what's bothersome. Does he need to drive him into the bench? No, but if Peyton breaks a tackle, he has to hope he's in good enough position to block the man. Depending on how fast Hillis is in the open field, that may not be possible. Like I said above, it's probably a moot point but it bothers me. My cross to bear, I suppose.
I was a bit short in my first reply. You really dont see the ending of the play. In the last picture it still looks like he has good position on the CB. Now should he have engage the CB earlier sure he could/should have.
Nice to admit you might be a bit bias towards Robiskie but its not like you havent point out other players mistakes including Hillis. Hey I'm a bit bias towards Robo myself but I want to see the guy to succeed. Hes not going to be a #1 or even#2 but I damn sure know after watching him at OSU for 4 years he can catch the ball.
Now I ask you Earl if you can go back and watch the Panther game and see what you think of Robiskie's blocking in that game.
I was a bit short in my first reply. You really dont see the ending of the play. In the last picture it still looks like he has good position on the CB. Now should he have engage the CB earlier sure he could/should have.
Nice to admit you might be a bit bias towards Robiskie but its not like you havent point out other players mistakes including Hillis. Hey I'm a bit bias towards Robo myself but I want to see the guy to succeed. Hes not going to be a #1 or even#2 but I damn sure know after watching him at OSU for 4 years he can catch the ball.
Now I ask you Earl if you can go back and watch the Panther game and see what you think of Robiskie's blocking in that game.
Rich, I don't know if you were asking me to do this or whether or not you had a formed opinion about Robiskie's performance in the Carolina game...so I went back and looked
I watched 18 running plays that Robiskie was in on. I graded him + if he did a good job, - if he did poorly and "0" if it was indeterminate or he was obviously asked to do something other than block (for instance he decoyed on a fake bubble screen twice which was actually kinda cool). I gave him a separate grade for effort and for technique/outcome (proper position, leverage, etc).
Of the 18 plays, he was indeterminate on 8 of them. On two, he was a ++ for good effort and good technique. I also had another play where I graded him a + for effort and indeterminate for technique because he really wasn't all that effective. The remainder (seven plays) he was - -. If you recall, Hillis had a run called back because Robiskie was holding Captain Munnerlyn.
Blocking is all about two things: proper technique and attitude. In looking at that game, there are some concerns about Robiskie as a blocker. First off, he's definitely NOT what scouts call a willing blocker. Look at Roddy White and, yes, Hines Ward. If you're gonna get physical, get physical. On many plays, Brian will take the proper steps to get in position to block but then he does several things which are just not correct:
1) He doesn't get into the defender (you can't block by extending your arms)
2) He grabs the shirt (he really is obvious about grabbing a defender by the shirt up around the shoulders).
3) He does a lot of hand slapping with CBs. That's not blocking, that's patty-cake.
4) When he does engage (and that's being kind) he's very upright. He will get absolutely no leverage this way. He's got to get under their shoulders and drive them back. He's trying to do too much with his hands and arms and that's simply not going to cut it in the NFL.
5) He doesn't move his feet once he gets a hand on someone and if he's holding...it's easy to turn him around where it's obvious.
Just my observations. You may disagree. It's not the end of the world. Blocking can be taught but the desire to block cannot.
PS- Forgot...our own Josh Cribbs is a crushing blocker at times. He bends at the knees and hips and gets low enough to hammer people.
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I was a bit short in my first reply. You really dont see the ending of the play. In the last picture it still looks like he has good position on the CB. Now should he have engage the CB earlier sure he could/should have.
Nice to admit you might be a bit bias towards Robiskie but its not like you havent point out other players mistakes including Hillis. Hey I'm a bit bias towards Robo myself but I want to see the guy to succeed. Hes not going to be a #1 or even#2 but I damn sure know after watching him at OSU for 4 years he can catch the ball.
Now I ask you Earl if you can go back and watch the Panther game and see what you think of Robiskie's blocking in that game.
Rich, I don't know if you were asking me to do this or whether or not you had a formed opinion about Robiskie's performance in the Carolina game...so I went back and looked
I watched 18 running plays that Robiskie was in on. I graded him + if he did a good job, - if he did poorly and "0" if it was indeterminate or he was obviously asked to do something other than block (for instance he decoyed on a fake bubble screen twice which was actually kinda cool). I gave him a separate grade for effort and for technique/outcome (proper position, leverage, etc).
Of the 18 plays, he was indeterminate on 8 of them. On two, he was a ++ for good effort and good technique. I also had another play where I graded him a + for effort and indeterminate for technique because he really wasn't all that effective. The remainder (seven plays) he was - -. If you recall, Hillis had a run called back because Robiskie was holding Captain Munnerlyn.
Blocking is all about two things: proper technique and attitude. In looking at that game, there are some concerns about Robiskie as a blocker. First off, he's definitely NOT what scouts call a willing blocker. Look at Roddy White and, yes, Hines Ward. If you're gonna get physical, get physical. On many plays, Brian will take the proper steps to get in position to block but then he does several things which are just not correct:
1) He doesn't get into the defender (you can't block by extending your arms)
2) He grabs the shirt (he really is obvious about grabbing a defender by the shirt up around the shoulders).
3) He does a lot of hand slapping with CBs. That's not blocking, that's patty-cake.
4) When he does engage (and that's being kind) he's very upright. He will get absolutely no leverage this way. He's got to get under their shoulders and drive them back. He's trying to do too much with his hands and arms and that's simply not going to cut it in the NFL.
5) He doesn't move his feet once he gets a hand on someone and if he's holding...it's easy to turn him around where it's obvious.
Just my observations. You may disagree. It's not the end of the world. Blocking can be taught but the desire to block cannot.
PS- Forgot...our own Josh Cribbs is a crushing blocker at times. He bends at the knees and hips and gets low enough to hammer people.
Rich, I don't know if you were asking me to do this or whether or not you had a formed opinion about Robiskie's performance in the Carolina game...so I went back and looked
I watched 18 running plays that Robiskie was in on. I graded him + if he did a good job, - if he did poorly and "0" if it was indeterminate or he was obviously asked to do something other than block (for instance he decoyed on a fake bubble screen twice which was actually kinda cool). I gave him a separate grade for effort and for technique/outcome (proper position, leverage, etc).
Of the 18 plays, he was indeterminate on 8 of them. On two, he was a ++ for good effort and good technique. I also had another play where I graded him a + for effort and indeterminate for technique because he really wasn't all that effective. The remainder (seven plays) he was - -. If you recall, Hillis had a run called back because Robiskie was holding Captain Munnerlyn.
Blocking is all about two things: proper technique and attitude. In looking at that game, there are some concerns about Robiskie as a blocker. First off, he's definitely NOT what scouts call a willing blocker. Look at Roddy White and, yes, Hines Ward. If you're gonna get physical, get physical. On many plays, Brian will take the proper steps to get in position to block but then he does several things which are just not correct:
1) He doesn't get into the defender (you can't block by extending your arms)
2) He grabs the shirt (he really is obvious about grabbing a defender by the shirt up around the shoulders).
3) He does a lot of hand slapping with CBs. That's not blocking, that's patty-cake.
4) When he does engage (and that's being kind) he's very upright. He will get absolutely no leverage this way. He's got to get under their shoulders and drive them back. He's trying to do too much with his hands and arms and that's simply not going to cut it in the NFL.
5) He doesn't move his feet once he gets a hand on someone and if he's holding...it's easy to turn him around where it's obvious.
Just my observations. You may disagree. It's not the end of the world. Blocking can be taught but the desire to block cannot.
PS- Forgot...our own Josh Cribbs is a crushing blocker at times. He bends at the knees and hips and gets low enough to hammer people.
Well I thought he did well and I was wrong 2 for 18 is not good in anything
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Rich, I don't know if you were asking me to do this or whether or not you had a formed opinion about Robiskie's performance in the Carolina game...so I went back and looked
I watched 18 running plays that Robiskie was in on. I graded him + if he did a good job, - if he did poorly and "0" if it was indeterminate or he was obviously asked to do something other than block (for instance he decoyed on a fake bubble screen twice which was actually kinda cool). I gave him a separate grade for effort and for technique/outcome (proper position, leverage, etc).
Of the 18 plays, he was indeterminate on 8 of them. On two, he was a ++ for good effort and good technique. I also had another play where I graded him a + for effort and indeterminate for technique because he really wasn't all that effective. The remainder (seven plays) he was - -. If you recall, Hillis had a run called back because Robiskie was holding Captain Munnerlyn.
Blocking is all about two things: proper technique and attitude. In looking at that game, there are some concerns about Robiskie as a blocker. First off, he's definitely NOT what scouts call a willing blocker. Look at Roddy White and, yes, Hines Ward. If you're gonna get physical, get physical. On many plays, Brian will take the proper steps to get in position to block but then he does several things which are just not correct:
1) He doesn't get into the defender (you can't block by extending your arms)
2) He grabs the shirt (he really is obvious about grabbing a defender by the shirt up around the shoulders).
3) He does a lot of hand slapping with CBs. That's not blocking, that's patty-cake.
4) When he does engage (and that's being kind) he's very upright. He will get absolutely no leverage this way. He's got to get under their shoulders and drive them back. He's trying to do too much with his hands and arms and that's simply not going to cut it in the NFL.
5) He doesn't move his feet once he gets a hand on someone and if he's holding...it's easy to turn him around where it's obvious.
Just my observations. You may disagree. It's not the end of the world. Blocking can be taught but the desire to block cannot.
PS- Forgot...our own Josh Cribbs is a crushing blocker at times. He bends at the knees and hips and gets low enough to hammer people.
Well I thought he did well and I was wrong 2 for 18 is not good in anything
Well I thought he did well and I was wrong 2 for 18 is not good in anything
Rich, it's not something that's usually noticed unless they do really well or really poorly on a play. Let's hope that this time next year we are raving over how much he's improved at it. There's no saying he can't learn but he has to want to. He isn't the first or last receiver who isn't an aggressive blocker.
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Good stuff considering everyone in the building knew the rock was getting handed to Hillis.
Along a different subject, but on the physical play of our WR's; Stuckey has caught crossing patterns on 3rd and 5 or 6 in recent games where he had to break a tackle or at least fall forward for the first down. He was hammered to the ground short of the sticks in each. Had that been Cribbs in there, he usually puts a whopping on the coverage and powers over the line and moves the sticks. We need him back healthy asap.
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Good stuff considering everyone in the building knew the rock was getting handed to Hillis.
Along a different subject, but on the physical play of our WR's; Stuckey has caught crossing patterns on 3rd and 5 or 6 in recent games where he had to break a tackle or at least fall forward for the first down. He was hammered to the ground short of the sticks in each. Had that been Cribbs in there, he usually puts a whopping on the coverage and powers over the line and moves the sticks. We need him back healthy asap.
Good stuff considering everyone in the building knew the rock was getting handed to Hillis.
Along a different subject, but on the physical play of our WR's; Stuckey has caught crossing patterns on 3rd and 5 or 6 in recent games where he had to break a tackle or at least fall forward for the first down. He was hammered to the ground short of the sticks in each. Had that been Cribbs in there, he usually puts a whopping on the coverage and powers over the line and moves the sticks. We need him back healthy asap.
I couldn't agree more. I think that you can win in this league with average talent at WR IF they play physically. Look at the Patriots in the early 2000's. That's sort of what Belichick is trying to re-create now but he's doing it a little differently. He's using two talented TEs to keep the safeties off of his WRs. No one will argue that Welker isn't any good but he is a slot receiver, not an "X". Back to our guys though, I have gotten used to the idea that when teams defend third and long, the checkdown short of the sticks is sometimes the only play and while it's irritating that they didn't just run a deeper route....perhaps this is what the defense is giving and they're daring you to try and break a tackle. Very good point Atenears.
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I love these thread Earl! Thanks again!
You are going to be the first poster in brownsboad history to earn more thanks than posts if you keep this up!
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