Steve Smith
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Smith is an emotional guy, but I wouldn't characterize him as a dick. I actually think his character would be a welcome thing for this team, they certainly wouldn't lack for fire offensively with a leader like Colt and Smith, plus Colt has the personality to keep someone like Smith in line and more even keeled. Remember, questionable character guys usually aren't much of an issue when surrounded with a solid character team, it's when you let the inmates start to run the asylum that things get whacked.
He can still play, and would be a good bridge IF he can stay healthy. If we are really serious about upgrading the receiving corps (although I still think both MoMass and Robo will be decent pros), a number one draft pick alone is not going to do it. We are going to need a guy like Smith for the transition. Smith wants to win, and I think Mangie would get a hold of him enough to shut him up. The first second he spouted off about Colt like he did with Clausen, he gets sat. However, I wouldn't see him doing that with Colt because he demands respect.
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I'd prefer another receiver, one who specializes in getting open, eye opening catches, and funny as hell interviews..
his name rhymes with Brad Mojoplinko, and I think he's a FA
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I'd prefer another receiver, one who specializes in getting open, eye opening catches, and funny as hell interviews..
his name rhymes with Brad Mojoplinko, and I think he's a FA
I'd prefer another receiver, one who specializes in getting open, eye opening catches, and funny as hell interviews..
his name rhymes with Brad Mojoplinko, and I think he's a FA
PGL! Dude!!! Good to see you. You were probably talking about someone else, but Brad Mojoplinko is a pretty damn good WR in his own right. Not to be underestimated. Lithuania U., one of the best ever at the school.
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Coming from Charlotte, I can tell you a lot about Steve Smith and what he brings to a team. Here's what I love about the guy: he LOVES to play hard and compete when the team is doing well down here. He has a fiery attitude which really gets the crowd and fellow players into it. He loves contact and YAC
HOWEVER, it's clear to me over the past two years his age is getting to him. I just watched a local interview where he said after this season his goal was something along the lines of helping other players grow because he knows his best years are past him. And this year to me anyway, I saw a man who has completely given up. I know what you're thinking, the team is 1-12, but trust me the local press is all over him about it. I'm not even going to say it's not somewhat understandable, but it's still fairly inexcusable.
Overall, I agree with you guys. I say if he's still lingering around toward the start of training camp, I'm all for it. But he wouldn't be the first guy on my list by any means because I have a feeling he's going to want pretty good money.
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If you want a guy that celebrates when he catches a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 10, Smith's your guy. Me personally, I can't stand watching him play.
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i really can't speak much on this topic except i know steve smith USED to be one of the fastest bad ass receivers in the league, but haven't heard too much of him since he broke his arm, what, a year ago?
plus is he the type of presence mangini (yes you haters) MANGINI would want in the locker room considering what he's trying to build and with whom? i don't know.
i agree with above posters that i'd rather have chad. i know he already has the respect of most cleveland fans (at least from what i've been able to see from afar......media and such).
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Gotta believe that an improved perception of Browns football throughout the league will pay dividends by putting it back on the FA map. Lets face it, recent history has had the team pretty far down on the list of
potential opportunity for FA's (at least those serious about winning). Gonna be interesting to see who comes down the pike to to assist the Browns in their climb back to the top of the heap.
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Gotta believe that an improved perception of Browns football throughout the league will pay dividends by putting it back on the FA map. Lets face it, recent history has had the team pretty far down on the list of
potential opportunity for FA's (at least those serious about winning). Gonna be interesting to see who comes down the pike to to assist the Browns in their climb back to the top of the heap.
Gotta believe that an improved perception of Browns football throughout the league will pay dividends by putting it back on the FA map. Lets face it, recent history has had the team pretty far down on the list of
potential opportunity for FA's (at least those serious about winning). Gonna be interesting to see who comes down the pike to to assist the Browns in their climb back to the top of the heap.
We have had players interested in winning show up here, well more like players. Scott Fujita came here because he likes playing for teams that are trying to turn it around. That's why he joined the Saint's and that's also why he didn't resign with them and came here.
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mikeyP72 said:
Vincent Jackson was really detrimental with those 3 TD's on TNF last night.IMO, holding out for 10 WEEKS is considerably detrimental to his team.
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bring in a underpreforming former star, who's about to be cut for underpreforming, to be the new messiah in cleveland?
how'd that work out with the panthers QB you aquired???
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Gotta believe that an improved perception of Browns football throughout the league will pay dividends by putting it back on the FA map. Lets face it, recent history has had the team pretty far down on the list of
potential opportunity for FA's (at least those serious about winning). Gonna be interesting to see who comes down the pike to to assist the Browns in their climb back to the top of the heap.
We have had players interested in winning show up here, well more like players. Scott Fujita came here because he likes playing for teams that are trying to turn it around. That's why he joined the Saint's and that's also why he didn't resign with them and came here.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
We have had players interested in winning show up here, well more like players. Scott Fujita came here because he likes playing for teams that are trying to turn it around. That's why he joined the Saint's and that's also why he didn't resign with them and came here.Agreed, Fajita is a gamer
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Let's not get crazy: Vincent Jackson is a great, great WR and his quarterback sure as hell looked happy to have him back. It would be flat-out insane of SD to let him get away.
My draft that year was Aaron Rodgers at #3 and Vincent Jackson at #35. My masterwork by far. I've gone way downhill since then. I believe the Browns picked Edwards, Pool, and Fry. Nice.
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mikeyP72 said:
4 games of that was a suspension am I right?Which was also detrimental to his team.
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Smith yes. Gruden no.
WSS
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Steve smith would be a welcome addition or vincent jackson.
I think steve smith would love playing for gruden ;l
cool, then maybe Steve Smith can go give Gruden a blumpkin while he broadcasts Monday Night Football because Gruden isn't coming to Cleveland.
As for Steve Smith and Vincent Jackson coming to Cleveland, they are both thugs who have proven themselves to be detrimental to their teams. Let's draft a rookie wideout like Julio Jones or A.J. Green.
Colt12 said:
As for Steve Smith and Vincent Jackson coming to Cleveland, they are both thugs who have proven themselves to be detrimental to their teams. Let's draft a rookie wideout like Julio Jones or A.J. Green.Getting busted twice for DUI makes VJax a risky acquisition, but does it make him a "thug"? That seems a bit strong.
I'd love to have Steve Smith, but I doubt he'll give up a chance to play for a SB contender just because Delhomme's here.
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mikeyP72 said:
Vincent Jackson was really detrimental with those 3 TD's on TNF last night.So sick of people discrediting talent.
We're 5-8, Chargers are in the playoff race. A guy like Jackson puts us in contention. Especially Jackson and Julio Jones or AJ Green.
I like V-Jax's talent but he does have character issues. Steve Smith is still talented, the lack of quarterback production is what's contributed to his poor numbers this season. Not a bad FA agent option if he's not too costly. His only downside is how well he'd play in this weather AFAIK he's only played in warm climes both college and professionally.
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mikeyP72 said:
Vincent Jackson was really detrimental with those 3 TD's on TNF last night.So sick of people discrediting talent.
We're 5-8, Chargers are in the playoff race. A guy like Jackson puts us in contention. Especially Jackson and Julio Jones or AJ Green.
I like V-Jax's talent but he does have character issues. Steve Smith is still talented, the lack of quarterback production is what's contributed to his poor numbers this season. Not a bad FA agent option if he's not too costly. His only downside is how well he'd play in this weather AFAIK he's only played in warm climes both college and professionally.
I like V-Jax's talent but he does have character issues. Steve Smith is still talented, the lack of quarterback production is what's contributed to his poor numbers this season. Not a bad FA agent option if he's not too costly. His only downside is how well he'd play in this weather AFAIK he's only played in warm climes both college and professionally.
Didnt Steve Smith Attend Utah and went to Junior College with Chad Johnson and someone else cant think of it right now, i wouldnt mind having him at the right price but i dont think he cares where delhomme is and knows hes not the future of this organzation Colt McCoy is and if he wants to be a part of that and bring some intensity to this team and help tutor say A.J. Green or Julio Jones Blackmon etc.. then im all for it he plays hard and i bet Colt would have a grin on his face if we signed him but it has to be the right situation we just cant throw a ton of money at him, as far as V Jax goes hes gonna want big money and we cant invest in him as well as a Number one draft pick WR, I do believe V Jax is a stud with talent just dont know if he comes to Cleveland he most likely will go else where
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I am thinking this offseason we need to surround Colt. We need to let him know that he is our guy. The way we do this?
Draft:
Round 1 - WR - AJ Green or Julio Jones - We need a big play WR for Colt, either fill this role.
Round 2 - RT - Best OT available, period - If we continue with John St. Claire or Tony Pashos there Colt may not do very well.
Round 3 - RB - Noel Devine or another scat back - Peyton Hillis has done an outstanding job, and we get Hardesty back next year, but they fit the same mold. Devine gives us a scat back, and we could have Hillis and Devine both in on third downs because both are threats to catch passes. Devine just gives another dimension.
Round 4 - CB - Eric Wright has been awful.
Round 5 - LB - We are slow, we need some speed
Round 6 - DL - We are old here
Round 6 - S - We may need someone to play with Ward, this player will prolly just be depth anyways, and we have Elam who has been picking it up.
I would love to get a WR in the FA like Steve Smith or maybe Chad Ochocinco(as much as I cant stand him), Vincent Jackson, or Sidney Rice and move Massaquoi to the slot. This would give us a top tier WR group and keep defenses honest.
We would also need to pick up a DL.
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I'd prefer another receiver, one who specializes in getting open, eye opening catches, and funny as hell interviews..
his name rhymes with Brad Mojoplinko, and I think he's a FA
PGL! Dude!!! Good to see you. You were probably talking about someone else, but Brad Mojoplinko is a pretty damn good WR in his own right. Not to be underestimated. Lithuania U., one of the best ever at the school.
PGL! Dude!!! Good to see you. You were probably talking about someone else, but Brad Mojoplinko is a pretty damn good WR in his own right. Not to be underestimated. Lithuania U., one of the best ever at the school.
Yeah dude I miss your quality stuff over there man, theres a select few starting to get testy, so I came over here to see what kind of topics were goin on
BTW... In reply to the above.... I think its a major tribute to Brad Mojoplinko that The Norway Brown Vikings coach Leaf Ericmangison ordered to have him double covered all game, thus opening up a huge day for that other Lithuania player... god ... whats his name.... Ferrel Ohvens
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mikeyP72 said:
Sorry BTW for hijacking this kinda.... Steve Smith was the original topic. I think the issue is more than just Steve Smith though I think it's the entire mentality of we will not accept any player lacking total moral fortitude and the highest character qualities. That somewhat screams "Notre Dame" when I think about it. The high GPA requirements dissuade a lot of players from attending and the talent pool becomes far more narrow.The Browns CANNOT shy away from signing ANY high caliber talent players because of small character flaws. Braylon Edwards is not an example of small character flaws. There are plenty of teams in the league that deal with players like this and still employ them effectively on Sundays. EM has changed the culture of this team, adding in a few high caliber players into a strong core of high character and hard working guys is not going to "Tear apart the locker room". Adding them into the former locker room and free-for all run by RAC would have that effect but that is not the case.
Randy Moss was described a "cancer". He went to NE and gave them several good seasons, working with a large group of high character guys. Until this year there wasn't much out of him negatively in the press.
Why is everyone so against having good players?
Its called building the team atmosphere and not having the me first players taking over the locker room.
We have that now.
What we did here is exactly what NE did a decade ago just like it says in my sig. The only reason Moss was in NE was because the team was set up. If you put the foundation in place you can add whatever you feel like.
If we do it the way you and a lot of the other posters want to we end up with a team like the bengals are now or we were a few years ago, and everything points to that not working.
We will start signing the so called cancer's this offseason.
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