Holmgren is Wimping Out
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Holmgren had a opportunity to back and support this coaching staff at mid-season. Hell, he could have said nothing and it would have been supportive, but instead he held a press conference to state that he was uncomfortable in a suit and figgity on Gamedays and that is all that was needed to FUEL the negative nannies and continue recruiting a lynch-mob against Mangini.
The team and coaching staff deserved better than that this season, IMO. The group showed that they had a lot of togetherness, which a team needs ... togetherness -1 (Holmgren).
Someone just posted that if he sticks with Mangini and fails that it is going to be Holmgrens ass everyone turns on next. Gee, ya think? And just what do you think will happen if he pulls the trigger and his chosen one fails who comes in after Mangini?
Mangini has done all the heavy lifting so far in this over-haul ... time for Heckert & Holmgren to step-up and match'em by drafting well and selecting Free Agents better (see Delohme, Wallace, and Bell for starters).
Mangin paved the way by cleaning the slate and ridding the team of Savages high salary contract. The balls in your court Holmgren and your head is on the chopping block (not Mangini's), IMO.
Holmgren had a opportunity to back and support this coaching staff at mid-season. Hell, he could have said nothing and it would have been supportive, but instead he held a press conference to state that he was uncomfortable in a suit and figgity on Gamedays and that is all that was needed to FUEL the negative nannies and continue recruiting a lynch-mob against Mangini.
The team and coaching staff deserved better than that this season, IMO. The group showed that they had a lot of togetherness, which a team needs ... togetherness -1 (Holmgren).
Someone just posted that if he sticks with Mangini and fails that it is going to be Holmgrens ass everyone turns on next. Gee, ya think? And just what do you think will happen if he pulls the trigger and his chosen one fails who comes in after Mangini?
Mangini has done all the heavy lifting so far in this over-haul ... time for Heckert & Holmgren to step-up and match'em by drafting well and selecting Free Agents better (see Delohme, Wallace, and Bell for starters).
Mangin paved the way by cleaning the slate and ridding the team of Savages high salary contract. The balls in your court Holmgren and your head is on the chopping block (not Mangini's), IMO.
I also do not understand Holmgren's handling of this. As President, he COULD have said he's still a little uncomfortable in a suit, but he'll leave the coaching to Mangini, but instead, he did NOTHING to squelch the rumors of his coaching again. I hope he has the good sense to retain Mangini.
Mike
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All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
I just don't understand how this whole kill Mangini atmosphere is Holmgren fault. He sure as shit isn't leaking anything, the media is just going off of what he said at mid season which is he will evaluate the coaches at the end of the season and make a decision on what to do with the coaching staff then. I sure as hell don't see any writters saying "un-named source from the Browns office" all I hear is "Holmgren said at midseason" and "according to NFL.com". And seriously it is inevitable that people are going to eventually turn against Holmgren anyway. It is going to be the same people who have already turned against Mangini, it's going to be the same people who are going to turn on any new coach, they will also be the ones turning against Heckert when he has his first bad draft.
I personally think Mangini is doing a good job and Holgren and Heckert have done a good job besides some bad mid season trades (DE Mitchel who hasn't seen the field yet and Bell [who has actually been doing better lately and Harrison wasn't going to resign with us at the end of the season regardless]).
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OTH, the owner in Denver gave his coach a lot of support, THEN he fired him.
Holmgren could have denied, explained, laughed it off, affirmed that Mangini was definately going to stay,
and it wouldn't have changed anything in the negative/sensational scoop press. After all, Holmgren said in the beginning
that he would review things at the end of the season. Why should he change all that, because some sports writers want to be
controversial. The Browns are fine, headed in an excellent direction. The only reason for Mangini to go, is because of something
behind the scenes. The sensationalism isn't necessary. This team has not been thumped one time this season. That's a huge, huge
improvement folks. Another draft, things will be more dramatic for the good. This time of year, sportswriters/etc run out of things to say,
and, the silly season starts.
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All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
I'll call my cousin, writer for the PD, and tell them to stop.
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OTH, the owner in Denver gave his coach a lot of support, THEN he fired him.
Holmgren could have denied, explained, laughed it off, affirmed that Mangini was definately going to stay,
and it wouldn't have changed anything in the negative/sensational scoop press. After all, Holmgren said in the beginning
that he would review things at the end of the season. Why should he change all that, because some sports writers want to be
controversial. The Browns are fine, headed in an excellent direction. The only reason for Mangini to go, is because of something
behind the scenes. The sensationalism isn't necessary. This team has not been thumped one time this season. That's a huge, huge
improvement folks. Another draft, things will be more dramatic for the good. This time of year, sportswriters/etc run out of things to say,
and, the silly season starts.
OTH, the owner in Denver gave his coach a lot of support, THEN he fired him.
Holmgren could have denied, explained, laughed it off, affirmed that Mangini was definately going to stay,
and it wouldn't have changed anything in the negative/sensational scoop press. After all, Holmgren said in the beginning
that he would review things at the end of the season. Why should he change all that, because some sports writers want to be
controversial. The Browns are fine, headed in an excellent direction. The only reason for Mangini to go, is because of something
behind the scenes. The sensationalism isn't necessary. This team has not been thumped one time this season. That's a huge, huge
improvement folks. Another draft, things will be more dramatic for the good. This time of year, sportswriters/etc run out of things to say,
and, the silly season starts.
Mike,
You're right in your points.
The thing that bugs me the most about Holmgren is:
-When the media addresses him as "Coach", WHY doesn't he correct them...he is NOT the Coach, Eric Mangini is!
Mike
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Let's be honest here: Mangini isn't Holmgren yet. He hasn't been to a lot of playoff games, won a Super Bowl, gone to another, etc. He's no Jon Gruden either. Some of you have come to really like him, which is a little odd... but let's not get to Orwellian here. He's a coach who's never won anything and has a career losing record. He's not generally loved by football players or accused of being a player's coach. Chances are decent his record in Cleveland will be 11-21 at the end of this year, so... whatever. That's not good.
That said, I think he knows NFL defenses and he learned a thing or two about team culture from Belicheck, another difficult to really like guy. He has some smarts and some skills. I don't hate him. I actually have found him pretty funny in a really dry way this year. I do hate the way he sees and handles quarterbacks, period, but that's true of a lot of defensive-leaning coaches. He needs to walk away from any and all meetings that have anything to do with the offense... and I'm not sure that makes for a great coach. Cowher pulled it off, though.
The fact is that 90 percent of Planet Earth didn't expect him to be the coach this year... and it didn't make a ton of sense. When a guy like Holmgren takes over a franchise, logic dictates that he sink or swim with his own systems and his own people. For whatever reason (and some say it was Gruden's unavailability) he didn't do it from jump street. He's still itching to do everything HIS way... and I get that.
But I'm not sure I understand people turning on Holmgren. Let's see what shape he leaves us in when he's done.
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Shep.......you think inside the box .
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Shep.......you think inside the box .
Shep.......you think inside the box .
Line of the day. Very Ricky Gervais. I'm gonna make a poster that wedges that in, just barely, within the limitations of the page: THINK INSIDE THE BOX.
In a weird way, it's brilliant. So much of fandom is about ear-fucquing ourselves into thinking stuff that's clearly not real. Sometimes you need to pull your brain back inside "the box," meaning reality.
Thinking inside the box is the new thinking outside the box. And thinking THAT is thinking outside the box. And I just made myself spontaneously high.
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Shep.......you think inside the box .
Shep.......you think inside the box .
Understatement of the year.
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Shep.......you think inside the box .
Understatement of the year.
Understatement of the year.
I'm trying to figure a way that made any sense. It's your assertion that I'm alarmingly pedantic?
Uh, right. You can't even talk yourself into that. Now go look up "pedantic."
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All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
And just who exactly fed you this unproven conspiracy theory?
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Mike,
You're right in your points.
The thing that bugs me the most about Holmgren is:
-When the media addresses him as "Coach", WHY doesn't he correct them...he is NOT the Coach, Eric Mangini is!
Mike
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Mike,
I think that Holmgren was a coach so long, it's just a tag that he enjoys. He has said before, that he isn't the coach.
But the nickname "coach" is well-deserved, and Mangini says he loves having Holmgren to discuss things with.
If some dumb knothead refers to him as the head coach, watch him correct them quickly, and call them a knothead.
Mike
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There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
And just who exactly fed you this unproven conspiracy theory?
And just who exactly fed you this unproven conspiracy theory?
Holmgren, obviously. What a snake.
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All the Mangini talk has reached an irritating level. i never pay attention to internet rumors, and seldom listen to the knuckleheads on ESPN. But the Mangini discussion has reached the local networks and the Plain Dealer. That means it has some teeth.
There is only one explanation for these sources to get involved and stick their necks out- Holmgren's office is leaking this stuff. i think it is a chicken shit way for him to approach the matter. i thought he was more of a straight up guy than that.
u thought Holmgren was a stand up guy???? after he's whined and bitched about losing to the Steelers in the SB for over half a decade???
u thought Holmgren was a stand up guy???? after he's whined and bitched about losing to the Steelers in the SB for over half a decade???
Could you possibly be more hypocritical?! How is that any different than you whining about how Tom Brady and the patriots winning super bowls because "they cheated?" Fans from all teams agree that the Super Bowl (Steelers/Seahawks) had some poor officiating. I have yet to hear anyone blame spygate for all of the Patriots Super Bowls...
I am not gonna sit here and say the zebras handed you a Super Bowl, but plenty of others believe it to be true, and yet no one but you seems to discredit the Patriots Super Bowls this past decade...
So accuse Holmgren all you want, but he is just stating what the vast majority of football fans feel to be true...
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I'm trying to figure a way that made any sense. It's your assertion that I'm alarmingly pedantic?
Uh, right. You can't even talk yourself into that. Now go look up "pedantic."
Imagine that....over complicating a simple assertion. I'm sooooo surprised.
For being above shit slinging, ur sure quick to throw around intelligence smack. Just keep throwing out all ur golden nuggets of projections.....we always need to laugh in the offseason.
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J/C
I don't think Holmgren has handled this very well.....but i do understand the point about when they stick up for you it is almost the kiss of death.
If Mangini is let go, I won't be thrilled, nor will I jump off a cliff, but if Holmgren then takes the job rather than hire someone else, I'll think him a self serving ass.
It is pretty easy to see the team is pretty close.
Nobody really expected more than 8 wins at best, so for Holmgren to fire Mangini then step in tells me he just kept Mangini for this transition season for his own purposes.
Put it this way....Holmgren wouldn't step in to a crappy situation....he'd let someone else take the losses.
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My sisters boyfriends brother works with a guy who knows a guy who says Mangini is getting fired. SOLID source....
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My sisters boyfriends brother works with a guy who knows a guy who says Mangini is getting fired. SOLID source....
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My sisters boyfriends brother works with a guy who knows a guy who says Mangini is getting fired. SOLID source....
My sisters boyfriends brother works with a guy who knows a guy who says Mangini is getting fired. SOLID source....
More solid than over half the BS rumors that surround the NFL.
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Shep.......you think inside the box .
Understatement of the year.
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