Eagles in the Playoffs = Good News for Browns
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Brownies fans,
I can't stop laughing. Seriously, you don't have QB on your roster whom anyone in their right might would trade a second round pick for, regardless of Donovan McNabb's availability. You guys have a high draft pick this year, you should seriously consider using it for a QB. Brady Quinn can't throw the ball deep, heck he has trouble with short passes. BQ desires to be a bench warmer. What QB would elect season ending surgery (he didn't need) when said QB hasn't even established he's starter material. DA is the best you have right now and if you could get a 4th for him, you are making out like bandits!
Endymion said:
Brownies fans,I can't stop laughing. Seriously, you don't have QB on your roster whom anyone in their right might would trade a second round pick for, regardless of Donovan McNabb's availability. You guys have a high draft pick this year, you should seriously consider using it for a QB. Brady Quinn can't throw the ball deep, heck he has trouble with short passes. BQ desires to be a bench warmer. What QB would elect season ending surgery (he didn't need) when said QB hasn't even established he's starter material. DA is the best you have right now and if you could get a 4th for him, you are making out like bandits!
Wow, what little you know about Quinn.
First, go google Quinn and watch his private work outs before the draft and college highlights. You'll see he can throw the deep ball. Heck, read a scouting report.
Secondly, whether he had surgury or went the rehab only route, he was done for the season. So it isn't like he elected season ending surgury over a rehab that might allow him to play again this year. He chose surgery because it was the surest bet for a full recovery with out potental issues down the road if rehab didn't fix it.
Thirdly, you may want to rewatch his first two starts and look at his game stat break downs. He has zero issues completing the 15 yards and under passes. His completion percentages will show you that.
Lastly, how is it every pundent, including former QBs suchs as Jaws and Steve Young seem to think Quinn is a franchise QB?
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Endymion said:
Brownies fans,I can't stop laughing. Seriously, you don't have QB on your roster whom anyone in their right might would trade a second round pick for, regardless of Donovan McNabb's availability. You guys have a high draft pick this year, you should seriously consider using it for a QB. Brady Quinn can't throw the ball deep, heck he has trouble with short passes. BQ desires to be a bench warmer. What QB would elect season ending surgery (he didn't need) when said QB hasn't even established he's starter material. DA is the best you have right now and if you could get a 4th for him, you are making out like bandits!
Wow, what little you know about Quinn.
First, go google Quinn and watch his private work outs before the draft and college highlights. You'll see he can throw the deep ball. Heck, read a scouting report.
Secondly, whether he had surgury or went the rehab only route, he was done for the season. So it isn't like he elected season ending surgury over a rehab that might allow him to play again this year. He chose surgery because it was the surest bet for a full recovery with out potental issues down the road if rehab didn't fix it.
Thirdly, you may want to rewatch his first two starts and look at his game stat break downs. He has zero issues completing the 15 yards and under passes. His completion percentages will show you that.
Lastly, how is it every pundent, including former QBs suchs as Jaws and Steve Young seem to think Quinn is a franchise QB?
Masters said:
Thirdly, you may want to rewatch his first two starts and look at his game stat break downs. He has zero issues completing the 15 yards and under passes. His completion percentages will show you that.Masterbater, you just called someone out for not knowing anything about Quinn. And then you posted this?
Quinn's completion percentage is 49.5. FORTY NINE POINT FIVE.
And none of his passes go deep. Not a single pass in the Denver game was described as DEEP in the NFL game logs.
He has issues with every part of his game including short passes.
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Masters said:
Thirdly, you may want to rewatch his first two starts and look at his game stat break downs. He has zero issues completing the 15 yards and under passes. His completion percentages will show you that.Masterbater, you just called someone out for not knowing anything about Quinn. And then you posted this?
Quinn's completion percentage is 49.5. FORTY NINE POINT FIVE.
And none of his passes go deep. Not a single pass in the Denver game was described as DEEP in the NFL game logs.
He has issues with every part of his game including short passes.
Masterbater, you just called someone out for not knowing anything about Quinn. And then you posted this?
Quinn's completion percentage is 49.5. FORTY NINE POINT FIVE.
And none of his passes go deep. Not a single pass in the Denver game was described as DEEP in the NFL game logs.
He has issues with every part of his game including short passes.
Dumburgh, reading comprehension, not your strong suit. Did I say his over all completion %? Did I say his completions a deep balls was high? Nope. Was specifically speaking of his short pass completion %, which that guy said Quinn has trouble w/, but the stats say otherwise. Unlike what they show for DA.
By the way, Quinns completion percentage on the season was 50.6%. Which was till higher than DA by 0.4%.
Oh, and DA's % goes down as it gets over 10 yards too this year.
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Masters,
Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
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Masters,
Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
Endymion said:
Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment.1) He played ONE NFL GAME. Let's see how next season plays out (at least) before we cast judgment.
2) Merril Hoge is a homer/idiot/sufferer of ten-too-many concussions. Did I mention HOMER?
and 3) welcome to the boards!
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Masters,
Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
Endymion said:
Masters,Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
Merril Hogie is about a big a dumbxxxx as they come...Hes never been right on anything...Hes just another Media big Mouth who knows next to nothing....
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Masters,
Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
Endymion said:
Masters,Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
See, here is where your misinformation kills you.
If it was just a fracture, that is one thing...but the fracture INCLUDED the tendon to the tip of the finger...and therefore the tendon was actually LOOSE and he could not use his finger in gripping the ball. It prevented him from putting any kind of spin on the ball..which then makes the ball die if it is thrown on a line...or tumble if it is thrown with an arc...either way it is NOT an acceptable pass.
Again...your assessment on Quinn is funny. He had ONE GAME in which he did not have the fore-mentioned finger fracture/tendon problem. In that game he had exactly ONE DAY to prepare...and ended up with over a 100 QBR, completed over 65% of his passes, threw 2 TD's and took zero sacks.
Now, AFTER the injury...well, like I said, hard to throw a ball accurately when you can't spin it.
As for Hoge....there is a reason he is no longer on any of the big networks. He is biased and not very good at analysis.
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Masters,
Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
Endymion said:
Masters,Breaking the tip of you index finger seems like a minor injury to me, whether or not you are a QB. If I was an established QB, say like Carson Palmer, then okay I'd have the surgery. Trying to secure a starting position like Quinn, they'd have had to have physically restrain me. Maybe it is unplayable, but I'd have made the team state "we are requiring him to get this surgery" or something similar.
Second and maybe I'm highly biased, but I really enjoy Merill Hoge's assessment of player talent. (Based on his appearance on Pittsburgh Radio Sports Channels), he slammed Cleveland's selection of Quinn (where other analysts praised it). He said Quinn fell so far in the first round, because he "can't" throw the deep ball, and has trouble with nearly every other pass. Based on what I've seen of your franchise QB, I have no reason to doubt Hoge's assessment. In a year where rookie QBs are lighting it up, and given your coach RAC won't ever be considered a genius, you have to really wonder why he really didn't want to start Quinn until Savage trumped his authority.
Seriously, I wouldn't listen to the pundits who say BQ is great. If you get a chance to land a real QB with your top 10 pick, you better get him. Then again don't listen to me, I rather enjoy playing 4 gimme games against you Ohioites every year.
It is far more of an issue than it seems. Gripping something w/ a break and a torn tendon (which is what happened after he played w/ the break) isn't easy at all. The team gave both options for him to choose and both required him to miss the rest of the year (from RAC and team doctor). Stories are there to be read.
I like Hodge too. But he did an about face after Quinns first start, both on NFL live and the count down show late Sat nights w/ Jaws and the other guy. RAC never gave Quinn a shot ad favors his vets.
Keep in mind, Quinn almost went #1 but a deal couldn't be worked out with Oak. Quinn may or may not be a franchise QB. Only time will tell.
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I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.
The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
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I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.
The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
Endymion said:
I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.That, my new friend is, well, pretty idiotic. Would you pass on a, say, Beanie Wells or Knowshon Moreno if one was available at your pick to replace Rashard Mendenhall*?
*a very fair Brady Quinn comparison. A first round pick whose injury has kept his team from coming even close to being able to properly evaluate him.
You can see this makes very little sense in either case.
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I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.
The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
Endymion said:
I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
Freak injury on for Quinn. Finger hit a BUF DL's helmet. He isn't the first QB to have it happen and won't be the last.
I wouldn't be sold on Flacco yet. Ryan yes, but Flacco hasn't truly done much but manage games. BALT is being carried by the D and the running game.
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I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.
The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
Endymion said:
I haven't the faintest clue as to what QBs will be available for the draft, but if a QB with the potential of Flacco or Ryan is available would you seriously pass on him over BQ.The guy played one game and is out for the season with a finger injury. Even if you are right, and BQ is anywhere near half the quality of Manning, Roethlisberger, and/or Brady, do you really think he has the durability to last a full season? Some guys are glass. I don't think BQ would last a quarter on the Steelers (this year). I'd be surprised if any other QB in the league would've made it 14 games on the Steelers this year. Then again Ben was able to survive an assasination attempt by the patriots in 2006 and still play to an 8-8 season.
As for Hoge, he's tame/politically correct on ESPN. On Pittsburgh Radio he's far more colorful and quite often just rips into players he doesn't like. I don't doubt he is biased, but then I think most analysts are biased. Anyways, I think he is pretty good at analyzing teams/players, and I think overall he's better at it than Jaws. Jaws is better at the politically correct thing and his Eagles bias isn't quite as obvious.
so you are basing all your opinions on someone else's opinions and not your own ? Come on man ... im sure you can form opinions of your own too ...
If your own Big Ben had the bad coaching adn playcalling we have + dropped catches then he will be called Big Bum, not big Ben. To be honest we do not know how good is BQ. but he showed great promise and is still unproven and regarding long passes, how many do we see in the NFL ? how many teams are there with weak armed quaterbackes who are smart and also have pocket presence ?
And another thing that ur opinion man probably forgot or did not comment about was the weak playcalling, bad injuries and form that the Browns are suffering from. We have bigger needs in other places. So we need to address that and if trading one of the 2 QB's is going to fetch us a good solution then we might take it .
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mz the pussy. wrote:
Would you pass on a, say, Beanie Wells or Knowshon Moreno if one was available at your pick to replace Rashard Mendenhall*?
I don't watch college football, hence I claim to have no knowledge of who is who. (SIDE NOTE: Maybe if I was paid Mel Kiper's salary to do so I would care, but I'm not. I might be able to get interested in college football if they had a playoff system. I also get annoyed by powerhouse schools playing obviously inferior opponents. Baseball is another entity who's lack of parity has driven me away. One of the major reasons I like the NFL is due to the parity of the teams). Anyways, if a back with the potential/power of Jerome Bettis/Cadilliac Williams/Lendale White was available with our late first round pick, I'd take him, even though the OL is our most pressing need. Mendenhall has not impressed me, however I think between Parker/Mendenhall/Moore we have the speedy back thing covered. We need someone who can get the tough yards, especially behind a poor OL.
It bothers me tremendously that in his first start Mendenhall went out for the season. I remember Chris Fu'Ma' and he was a decent back but also made of glass. You are going to make bad draft picks. Recognizing them quickly and correcting them is imperative. QBs unlike RBs are a special position. They are the most expensive players and they essentially determine the fate of your coach/franchise for many years to come. Draft the wrong QB in the first round and a team will pay for it for years to come. A mistake at RB is far easier to correct than a mistake at QB.
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