Bye Bye Mangini
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some of you seem to be forgetting that even keeping mangini when holmgren took over was a big suprise. not many gms and presidents keep a coach they didn't pick. i liked mangini, but lets face it, hes made some bad decisions, most notably keeping dabol going into this year, as well as some poor clock management.
odds are he'll be let go after this season, and seeing as how the other year gruden was practically auditioning for the job that one game, and the fact that hes trained up by holmgren, it's likely he'll be in talks for the job
So when Gruden takes over and we lose more and more games every year like he did in Tampa for 3 years how long will it take before you all throw him under the bus to?
So when Gruden takes over and we lose more and more games every year like he did in Tampa for 3 years how long will it take before you all throw him under the bus to?
The same thing can be used to bash Mangini.. 10-6, 9-7, 5-11 5-11
Can you at least tell me what grudens record was the last two years in Tampa? 9 and 7..
Gruden would crush you in a arm wrestling match!
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I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
I am begining to think you have demensia!
I am begining to think you have demensia!
Ok let me say this. And maybe you can put it up on your crayon board. I won't list what these coaches have done after this because if you don't you don't need to be here. Please don't make me go back and research the strength of schedule and draft pics of these coaches in the year they finally broke .500.
1. Tom Landry - Recorded an 0–11–1 record during their first season, with five or fewer wins in each of their next four.
2. Chuck Noll - 1-13 in his coaching rookie season (age 37 mind you), 5-9 his second season and 6 - 8 his third.
3. Bill Parcells - 3 -12 - 1 in his rookie season.
4. Bud Grant - 3 -8 - 3 in his rookie season.
7. Jeff Fisher - 1 - 5 in his rookie season and 7 - 9 in his second season.
8. Tony Dungy - 6 -10 in his rookie season.
9. Tom Coughlin - 6 - 10 in his rookie season with the Giants.
The list goes on. John Gruden, .540 career winning percentage, below Jim Mora and Dennis Green. I will give Gruden credit here, he went in and won with a Al Davis team, which I find remarkable. Now I like Gruden and he is a good coach, but you don't know what you have in a coach handed a horrible team with a horrible GM and horrible picks. Gruden was very fortunate to be handed 2 very good teams. His inconsistency shows in his record with the Bucs. Now you have the Walrus making those decisions and this team WILL be a winner with Mangini.
This team is 7 - 9 with 5 - 6 different plays. You saw what this team can do against the Pats and Saints. I see nothing but progression from a team that has regressed EVERY year due to coaching changes and bad GM moves. We have our guys NOW let's see what they can do. Come on BROWNS!
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I'd like to think Lerner wants the Browns to be in the playoff's every year. I would like to think he hired Holmgren to do that. I would like to think Holmgren WILL make a big difference in Cleveland. I would like to think Cleveland fans would put more faith in him and less faith in the Mangenious who became the Mangenious when he turned a team around in his first year, but has done little since. If Mangini is such a genius why aren't the Browns winning more this year. (Time to hear about our poor talent etc.).
In Holmgren I trust. In Mangini we rust.
If Mangini is such a genius why aren't the Browns winning more this year. (Time to hear about our poor talent etc.).
Compare our stats from last year to this year. This isn't Madden.
We give up (I know there is one game left), 84 less points then last year with a top three toughest schedule in the NFL.
Who were our top 3 picks, 2 of the best rookie d-backs in the NFL and a hurt RB. See the correlation?
"Why aren't they winning more" sounds like someone who is not getting his big wheel for x-mas. This takes time.
I still find it astonishing the lack of common sense in the fire Mangini posts in particular.
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I really think some of you have to be friends or relatives of Mangini. That is the only way to understand your loyalty..
I really think some of you have to be friends or relatives of Mangini. That is the only way to understand your loyalty..
Very analytical approach, YOU should be coach.
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Homotron said:
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.As much as I hate to say it but I agree with you. I dont ever see him coming here. It will only tarnish his legacy in Pissburgh. Then again I dont see him coaching ever again.
He had a good thing going on in pittsburgh and he still left. I dont know if it was because of his family or he just wanted to quit while on top but why give up a good team just to start all over again when you could of kept winning in the first place.
As much as I hate to say it but I agree with you. I dont ever see him coming here. It will only tarnish his legacy in Pissburgh. Then again I dont see him coaching ever again.
He had a good thing going on in pittsburgh and he still left. I dont know if it was because of his family or he just wanted to quit while on top but why give up a good team just to start all over again when you could of kept winning in the first place.
mark my words Cowher will be the new HC for the Panthers. He lives there and loves it there. He will be out of the AFC to not interfere with The Stoolers seeing as how he is a Pennsylvania native and grew up a Stoolers fan. Everyone knows he would never coach the Browns and i dont want chin man anyway.
Mangini is on the right path lets hope they keep him for one more year.
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You all must be relatives of Mangini, only reason I could think of you not wanting a home grown homer HC in Gruden. I mean, SCREW everyone from anywhere but OH! They have NO BUSINESS being on the Browns!
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gruden will lose just as much if not more with this team next year, same idiots (figured Im done being nice since the names have already been pulled anyway) will be calling for HIS head this time next year. Freakin unreal......Us blind loyal homer Mangini supporting losers will all be laughing........I guess.......
Mornhinweg here we come.........(holds gun to head)
If at first you dont succeed, skydiving is not for you. -
your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
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You all must be relatives of Mangini, only reason I could think of you not wanting a home grown homer HC in Gruden. I mean, SCREW everyone from anywhere but OH! They have NO BUSINESS being on the Browns!
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gruden will lose just as much if not more with this team next year, same idiots (figured Im done being nice since the names have already been pulled anyway) will be calling for HIS head this time next year. Freakin unreal......Us blind loyal homer Mangini supporting losers will all be laughing........I guess.......
Mornhinweg here we come.........(holds gun to head)
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Bingo.
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Good post Shep and Larry. But we are beating our heads againat the wall every year.
First Mangini inherited the crap Sewage left him and did admrably to make it competitive
But staying in games and losing is not winning that's what happens when you play defensive football
Holmgren knows offensive football wins championships
my guess is he will create an offensive team to just that..............with a coach who thinks likewise.........
and Heckert is already onboard
Good post Shep and Larry. But we are beating our heads againat the wall every year.
First Mangini inherited the crap Sewage left him and did admrably to make it competitive
true..
But staying in games and losing is not winning that's what happens when you play defensive football
no thats what happens when you don't have enough talent and you are still in the rebuilding process...
Holmgren knows offensive football wins championships
He knows that a team needs talent to win championships.. you don't need the best offense in the league, but 30th in offense aint gonna cut it...
my guess is he will create an offensive team to just that..............with a coach who thinks likewise.........
He could no doubt hire a new coach that specializes in offense but that doesn't mean that he will ignore the defense. this isn't college football...
and Heckert is already onboard
fair enough
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imo the only chance mangini has, is
1: hope holmgren puts alot of faith in how close the losses are
2: mangini will have to fire daboll right away. if fans can see the holes in his offense, and predict his playcalling, you know holmgren can, and if he sees mangini staying with the same predictable play caller, i think he'll pull the trigger on them both.
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your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
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your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
Not...even....close....bud. Sorry had to use a Judd Nelson reference. I know what will happen after this season, Mangini stays, we draft AJ Green, a right side for our line and pass rusher. 9-7 here we come.
What I can't discuss what I think will happen vs. what I would do on Madden?
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
imo the only chance mangini has, is
1: hope holmgren puts alot of faith in how close the losses are
2: mangini will have to fire daboll right away. if fans can see the holes in his offense, and predict his playcalling, you know holmgren can, and if he sees mangini staying with the same predictable play caller, i think he'll pull the trigger on them both.
imo the only chance mangini has, is
1: hope holmgren puts alot of faith in how close the losses are
2: mangini will have to fire daboll right away. if fans can see the holes in his offense, and predict his playcalling, you know holmgren can, and if he sees mangini staying with the same predictable play caller, i think he'll pull the trigger on them both.
I agree with that. Daboll would have to be replaced IMO. ALTHOUGH I find it rather strange that Daboll looked SO much better against the better teams when the injuries were low and the team was executing properly. Its iffy with Daboll because of that.
If at first you dont succeed, skydiving is not for you. -
your in the wrong thread bud. this isn't a fire mangini thread, its a thread discussing what could happen after this season, and if he could be fired, and if so replaced by who.
Not...even....close....bud. Sorry had to use a Judd Nelson reference. I know what will happen after this season, Mangini stays, we draft AJ Green, a right side for our line and pass rusher. 9-7 here we come.
What I can't discuss what I think will happen vs. what I would do on Madden?
Not...even....close....bud. Sorry had to use a Judd Nelson reference. I know what will happen after this season, Mangini stays, we draft AJ Green, a right side for our line and pass rusher. 9-7 here we come.
What I can't discuss what I think will happen vs. what I would do on Madden?
Green will probably be gone by the time we pick. Would LOVE it, but thats what I think. Holmes in FA and a top rushing LB in the first? I would be happy with that too. (dont confuse Holmes as being a homer pick, the guy can make plays happen)
Dont want VJax, dude is one dumb decision away from a year out of the NFL. GREAT WR, but no thanks.
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imo the only chance mangini has, is
1: hope holmgren puts alot of faith in how close the losses are
2: mangini will have to fire daboll right away. if fans can see the holes in his offense, and predict his playcalling, you know holmgren can, and if he sees mangini staying with the same predictable play caller, i think he'll pull the trigger on them both.
I agree with that. Daboll would have to be replaced IMO. ALTHOUGH I find it rather strange that Daboll looked SO much better against the better teams when the injuries were low and the team was executing properly. Its iffy with Daboll because of that.
I agree with that. Daboll would have to be replaced IMO. ALTHOUGH I find it rather strange that Daboll looked SO much better against the better teams when the injuries were low and the team was executing properly. Its iffy with Daboll because of that.
Lets say Holmgren tells Mangini Daboll must go...But Mangini refuses (Schottenhiemer ?)
I'm supporting Mangini...but only to a point...Daboll must go...
I want Colt to have the best offensive mind available...Like Bernie had with Infante.
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You all must be relatives of Mangini, only reason I could think of you not wanting a home grown homer HC in Gruden. I mean, SCREW everyone from anywhere but OH! They have NO BUSINESS being on the Browns!
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gruden will lose just as much if not more with this team next year, same idiots (figured Im done being nice since the names have already been pulled anyway) will be calling for HIS head this time next year. Freakin unreal......Us blind loyal homer Mangini supporting losers will all be laughing........I guess.......
Mornhinweg here we come.........(holds gun to head)
You all must be relatives of Mangini, only reason I could think of you not wanting a home grown homer HC in Gruden. I mean, SCREW everyone from anywhere but OH! They have NO BUSINESS being on the Browns!
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gruden will lose just as much if not more with this team next year, same idiots (figured Im done being nice since the names have already been pulled anyway) will be calling for HIS head this time next year. Freakin unreal......Us blind loyal homer Mangini supporting losers will all be laughing........I guess.......
Mornhinweg here we come.........(holds gun to head)
For one, no way Gruden would lose more games.
2ND I WOULD NEVER CALL FOR HIM TO BE FIRED..
"GRUDENMEISTER"
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You all must be relatives of Mangini, only reason I could think of you not wanting a home grown homer HC in Gruden. I mean, SCREW everyone from anywhere but OH! They have NO BUSINESS being on the Browns!
One Hillis fumble, one Wallace pick 6 and one Stuckey fumble away from being 8-7 and NONE of this would be talked about........guess Mangini should have had that hindsight and pulled them KNOWING they were going to screw those 3 games.....game plan was good enough, execution was good enough till the LAST plays of the game when the PLAYERS screwed the pooch. Gruden will be able to run on the field and cause that not to happen RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gruden will lose just as much if not more with this team next year, same idiots (figured Im done being nice since the names have already been pulled anyway) will be calling for HIS head this time next year. Freakin unreal......Us blind loyal homer Mangini supporting losers will all be laughing........I guess.......
Mornhinweg here we come.........(holds gun to head)
For one, no way Gruden would lose more games.
2ND I WOULD NEVER CALL FOR HIM TO BE FIRED..
"GRUDENMEISTER"
For one, no way Gruden would lose more games.
2ND I WOULD NEVER CALL FOR HIM TO BE FIRED..
"GRUDENMEISTER"
Exactly my point, joking or not, its the name you all want, not the coach......Mangini didnt have a chance from the beginning which is the PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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Exactly my point, joking or not, its the name you all want, not the coach......Mangini didnt have a chance from the beginning which is the PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!
HELLO, mangini is a dud, gruden is a stud!
Drop the zero and get with the hero!
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I agree that Cleveland fans just don't have patience. Hell if we got a new coach and he took us to the playoffs the first 3 years and then on the 4th year we didn't make it, you people would be calling for said coaches head! NO ONE WANTS TO COME HERE AND COACH!!! Any coach knows that if they don't have a winning record the first year and a playoff birth the second that they will just be kicked right out the door. Coaching isn't like having a girl friend you stupid dipshit. Coaches need to have at least 3 to 4 years to put a system in place and they should be given at least 3 years to show that they can get the job done. There are extreme cases such as McDaniels where you know before the 3 year mark that they need to go, but Mangini has shown that his system is working. All we need is a new OC next year that runs Holgrems system and we will be set. If we switch coaches we will just be starting all over and we will be set back another 2-3 years.
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Exactly my point, joking or not, its the name you all want, not the coach......Mangini didnt have a chance from the beginning which is the PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!
HELLO, mangini is a dud, gruden is a stud!
Drop the zero and get with the hero!
Drop the zero and get with the hero!
Making a Vanilla Ice reference? Wow. Now I know you are either a Steeler troll or 12 years old.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
Just in case you were talking to me of course. If not, carry on..... 
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