Is this the real McCoy?
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McCoy had one bad game was the weather maybe a factor sure, was his sickness throughout the week a factor possibly but i think alot of people are missing the bigger picture that is you have to look at his whole body of work through out the season and when you do that for a rookie QB to go into Pittsburgh and not play a bad game when there where people on here saying it was the end of his career that he would lose his psyche and have a total meltdown instead he didnt play horribly and went on to win agasnt the Pats and Saints... I mean as much as ive seen i think you need to give him some other options around him so that every team dosent just stack the box to stop Hillis and let McCoy make them pay he dosent need the strongest arm in the NFL all he needs is to be accurate and make smart descisions with the football which he didnt do yesterday but as a rookie your going to have your ups and downs even Peyton Manning an 11 year Vet went through a slump this year its all about reading you progressing and knowing where to place the ball and having the playmakers which we need to help the young guy out at least lets wait until next year to determine if we may need to head into another direction, Plz People calm down there are much bigger needs on this ball club then to select another QB in the first round
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We have zero chance of drafting Luck or Green......Julio Jones maybe, but I suspect we'll be using our top 2-3 picks on defense. Some of you guys crack me up......you're all for giving Mangini another year or two and with his first bad game you are ready to abandon McCoy. Some of you people really need to become Lions fans.
We have zero chance of drafting Luck or Green......Julio Jones maybe, but I suspect we'll be using our top 2-3 picks on defense. Some of you guys crack me up......you're all for giving Mangini another year or two and with his first bad game you are ready to abandon McCoy. Some of you people really need to become Lions fans.
If the 30th ranked scoring offense with zero WRs and a hole at RT spends its first 2-3 picks on defense? The league should take us over.
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We have zero chance of drafting Luck or Green......Julio Jones maybe, but I suspect we'll be using our top 2-3 picks on defense. Some of you guys crack me up......you're all for giving Mangini another year or two and with his first bad game you are ready to abandon McCoy. Some of you people really need to become Lions fans.
We have zero chance of drafting Luck or Green......Julio Jones maybe, but I suspect we'll be using our top 2-3 picks on defense. Some of you guys crack me up......you're all for giving Mangini another year or two and with his first bad game you are ready to abandon McCoy. Some of you people really need to become Lions fans.
You have it backwards- The look at Luck crowd are the same people who think Gruden is God, and are POed that Mangini won't have the Browns in the playoffs in year two.
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McCoy didn't have a bad game at all, he was on point all day especially on 3rd down. Hell I dont think he threw a incomplete pass until halfway through the 2nd quarter and thats because he had 3-4 balls dropped that hit guys in between the numbers. I was upset we weren't passing more because Colt was money yesterday, the cold had no effect on him at all. The WR's would freeze when the ball came their way though. His 3 int's all on the same throw/route to MoMass, maybe one of then should've actually been intercepted. You can blame Colt for throwing it to a guy that has zero ball skills, but thats what he has to work with.
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I wonder if the Saints fans were calling for a QB change after Brees threw 4 interceptions against the Browns? It was just a bad game! I think Colt will be fine and the Steelers game will be huge for him. It is a defense he has seen and now he knows what its like to play in the cold. So if he throws up another stinker then I might be inclined to say he is not the man. But from what I have seen so far I think he can be the guy!
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Guys, there's nothing wrong with discussing it. The Browns look likely to draft fifth or sixth, franchise quarterback territory, and Holmgren is a guy who knows you aren't going to win very much for very long without an elite quarterback, a guy at least capable of being a top 10 passer for a decade or so.
You can't stick your head in the sand. If you're Holmgren, Haskell, and Heckert, you have plenty to talk about. At least for one game in the Cleveland cold, McCoy looked incapable of going past 10 or 15 yards with any zip or accuracy. You have to discuss it. It wasn't pressure from the Ravens because they chose to play with his head in coverage... and it worked.
On the plus side, I know Holmgren looks at McCoy and sees a WCO quarterback, a blend of Montana and Garcia: Smart, nimble, accurate, and a fiery leader. Neither of those guys were big and neither had anything close to a cannon. Then again, neither had to play in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or Cincinnati in December very often.
Newsome says the Ravens liked Flacco because he was a big guy with big hands and a strong arm for AFC North Winters. Roethlisberger fits that description, too. Palmer is 6'5". Is that the ideal? Because McCoy is obviously the "one of these things is not the like the others."
No, we aren't talking about Luck. He'll go to Carolina. Elway says if he's there at two for the Broncos, they have to take him, period. Otherwise somebody trades up. Guaranteed that SF's new coach Jim Harbaugh (you read it here 101st) would burn villages to get him.
We're talking about Ryan Mallett almost certainly. One one hand, he fits right in with those AFC North giant quarterbacks. On the other, he doesn't seem like much of a fit in the WCO.
My sense? I think Holmgren will move to the sideline in about 9 days and McCoy will become his last great project. He'll get him a serious #1 WR in A.J. Green. He'll ask him to get a little bigger, a little stronger, and to keep being a film junkie, but now he'll be watching Montana, Young, Garcia, Favre, and Hasselbeck (in his prime) to learn the WCO.
I think people underestimate the human body's ability to adapt to weather. They say Marino never played great in cold weather, but that could be because he didn't have to often enough to acclimate.
Colt's bad throws could be attributed to footwork, not actual arm strength. Well, sort of. Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker can throw the football 50 yards off their back foot. So they don't need flawless footwork. Colt does.
I like McCoy's chances at building his downfield accuracy and velocity enough to be consistently competitive over the risk of any new QB that isn't a "slam dunk" Bradford or Peyton Manning type. Luck probably fits that description, but no one else in the draft does. Mallett will likely never become the leader that Colt is. Locker will never possess the accuracy that Colt possesses innately. How many of those guys will study the game and learn the opposing defense with the dedication Colt has?
In my opinion it comes down to what's fixable and what's not. McCoy will probably never have a Joe Flacco arm. But if he develops his arm strength even a modest amount, he can use the deep ball to stretch the field enough to slice through good defenses. Someday he could make Ravens fans think, "boy, I wish Joe had Colt McCoy's mobility." Steelers fans could one day think, "boy, I wish Big Ben had Colt's character." Etc.
I think people underestimate the human body's ability to adapt to weather. They say Marino never played great in cold weather, but that could be because he didn't have to often enough to acclimate.
Colt's bad throws could be attributed to footwork, not actual arm strength. Well, sort of. Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker can throw the football 50 yards off their back foot. So they don't need flawless footwork. Colt does.
I like McCoy's chances at building his downfield accuracy and velocity enough to be consistently competitive over the risk of any new QB that isn't a "slam dunk" Bradford or Peyton Manning type. Luck probably fits that description, but no one else in the draft does. Mallett will likely never become the leader that Colt is. Locker will never possess the accuracy that Colt possesses innately. How many of those guys will study the game and learn the opposing defense with the dedication Colt has?
In my opinion it comes down to what's fixable and what's not. McCoy will probably never have a Joe Flacco arm. But if he develops his arm strength even a modest amount, he can use the deep ball to stretch the field enough to slice through good defenses. Someday he could make Ravens fans think, "boy, I wish Joe had Colt McCoy's mobility." Steelers fans could one day think, "boy, I wish Big Ben had Colt's character." Etc.
I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
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I think people underestimate the human body's ability to adapt to weather. They say Marino never played great in cold weather, but that could be because he didn't have to often enough to acclimate.
Colt's bad throws could be attributed to footwork, not actual arm strength. Well, sort of. Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker can throw the football 50 yards off their back foot. So they don't need flawless footwork. Colt does.
I like McCoy's chances at building his downfield accuracy and velocity enough to be consistently competitive over the risk of any new QB that isn't a "slam dunk" Bradford or Peyton Manning type. Luck probably fits that description, but no one else in the draft does. Mallett will likely never become the leader that Colt is. Locker will never possess the accuracy that Colt possesses innately. How many of those guys will study the game and learn the opposing defense with the dedication Colt has?
In my opinion it comes down to what's fixable and what's not. McCoy will probably never have a Joe Flacco arm. But if he develops his arm strength even a modest amount, he can use the deep ball to stretch the field enough to slice through good defenses. Someday he could make Ravens fans think, "boy, I wish Joe had Colt McCoy's mobility." Steelers fans could one day think, "boy, I wish Big Ben had Colt's character." Etc.
I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
I played QB in High School. There are ways to improve arm strength through conditioning and drills. It's all about strengthening you core muscles (abs, hips, and lower back) Colt is young enough to where with the right conditioning and coaching he can improve his arm strength. Only trouble is...it's hard work to maintain accuracy when trying to improve arm strength so pick your poison guys.
"Without struggle....there can be no progress" -Frederick Douglas -
I wonder if the Saints fans were calling for a QB change after Brees threw 4 interceptions against the Browns? It was just a bad game! I think Colt will be fine and the Steelers game will be huge for him. It is a defense he has seen and now he knows what its like to play in the cold. So if he throws up another stinker then I might be inclined to say he is not the man. But from what I have seen so far I think he can be the guy!
I wonder if the Saints fans were calling for a QB change after Brees threw 4 interceptions against the Browns?
That may have to do with the fact that Brees has a bit more history with several prowbowls and SB ring. Oof.
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I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
I played QB in High School. There are ways to improve arm strength through conditioning and drills. It's all about strengthening you core muscles (abs, hips, and lower back) Colt is young enough to where with the right conditioning and coaching he can improve his arm strength. Only trouble is...it's hard work to maintain accuracy when trying to improve arm strength so pick your poison guys.
I played QB in High School. There are ways to improve arm strength through conditioning and drills. It's all about strengthening you core muscles (abs, hips, and lower back) Colt is young enough to where with the right conditioning and coaching he can improve his arm strength. Only trouble is...it's hard work to maintain accuracy when trying to improve arm strength so pick your poison guys.
No doubt.
My point is Colt has been to HS. Been to QB camps. Played at a top college program and has been prepped by advanced trainers in preparation for the NFL draft....not to mention a year in a pro training system.
If you think the guy has failed to do the things you mention and gotten to the point he is with a weak core and a lack of top quality training, then you or others have your heads buried in the sand.
The guys arm is about as good as it is going to get. Any improvements are going to me minimal.
John Elway didn't have a stronger arm than Bernie Kosar simply because he worked at it harder than Bernie did.
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I played QB in High School. There are ways to improve arm strength through conditioning and drills. It's all about strengthening you core muscles (abs, hips, and lower back) Colt is young enough to where with the right conditioning and coaching he can improve his arm strength. Only trouble is...it's hard work to maintain accuracy when trying to improve arm strength so pick your poison guys.
No doubt.
My point is Colt has been to HS. Been to QB camps. Played at a top college program and has been prepped by advanced trainers in preparation for the NFL draft....not to mention a year in a pro training system.
If you think the guy has failed to do the things you mention and gotten to the point he is with a weak core and a lack of top quality training, then you or others have your heads buried in the sand.
The guys arm is about as good as it is going to get. Any improvements are going to me minimal.
John Elway didn't have a stronger arm than Bernie Kosar simply because he worked at it harder than Bernie did.
No doubt.
My point is Colt has been to HS. Been to QB camps. Played at a top college program and has been prepped by advanced trainers in preparation for the NFL draft....not to mention a year in a pro training system.
If you think the guy has failed to do the things you mention and gotten to the point he is with a weak core and a lack of top quality training, then you or others have your heads buried in the sand.
The guys arm is about as good as it is going to get. Any improvements are going to me minimal.
John Elway didn't have a stronger arm than Bernie Kosar simply because he worked at it harder than Bernie did.
Personally I don't have a problem with where his arm strength is now. I'm just saying there are ways to improve it no matter how minimal the change is. Is it worth Colt going through all of that....probably not especially since I'll take accuracy over arm strength any day. Derek Anderception has mad arm strength but throws the ball six miles away from the nearest receiver and that's when he's not throwing it to the other team. It kills me watching some of you all week in and week out pick up and put down the torches and pitchforks. Most of the games Colt has played in were not lost because of him. Even this last loss isn't all on him. The Stooler trolls as they're constantly referred to as....ARE LAUGHING THEY'RE ASSES OFF...each week because some of us come on here and sound like clowns. Pick a side ladies and gentleman be a fan or don't.
"Without struggle....there can be no progress" -Frederick Douglas -
I think people underestimate the human body's ability to adapt to weather. They say Marino never played great in cold weather, but that could be because he didn't have to often enough to acclimate.
Colt's bad throws could be attributed to footwork, not actual arm strength. Well, sort of. Ryan Mallet or Jake Locker can throw the football 50 yards off their back foot. So they don't need flawless footwork. Colt does.
I like McCoy's chances at building his downfield accuracy and velocity enough to be consistently competitive over the risk of any new QB that isn't a "slam dunk" Bradford or Peyton Manning type. Luck probably fits that description, but no one else in the draft does. Mallett will likely never become the leader that Colt is. Locker will never possess the accuracy that Colt possesses innately. How many of those guys will study the game and learn the opposing defense with the dedication Colt has?
In my opinion it comes down to what's fixable and what's not. McCoy will probably never have a Joe Flacco arm. But if he develops his arm strength even a modest amount, he can use the deep ball to stretch the field enough to slice through good defenses. Someday he could make Ravens fans think, "boy, I wish Joe had Colt McCoy's mobility." Steelers fans could one day think, "boy, I wish Big Ben had Colt's character." Etc.
I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
I think you overestimate the ability to increase arm strength. It isn't like being able to lift more weight.
Colt has been throwing balls his whole life. His arm is as strong as it is going to get.
You don't see baseball pitchers hit A ball throwing 88 MPH fastballs, then work up to 98 MPH fastballs.
A kid might add1-2 MPH with maturity, and if his mechanics are all screwed up, maybe another 2 MPH....and those couple of MPH is speed the kid already has, the mechanics just help him achieve it on a consistent basis.
Colts arm is as good as it is going to get.
I am not saying this because I dislike him....I do like him.....just trying to tell it like it is.
Don't count on Colt's arm getting stronger.
No, I don't count on his arm getting substantially stronger, but I do count on his footwork improving so that when he throws the deep strikes he's planted correctly every time. That's really what's going to do it IMO.
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Colt and Hillis shouldn't even be playing in these last 2 games. More Dumbgenious at work. Save them for next year. This year is O-V-E-R............ Three forths of the team is just going through the motions at this time. They've checked out for the year.
Colt and Hillis shouldn't even be playing in these last 2 games. More Dumbgenious at work. Save them for next year. This year is O-V-E-R............ Three forths of the team is just going through the motions at this time. They've checked out for the year.
That's a great idea! Don't play the guys who give you the best chance to win! And while you're at it, take reps away from what appears to be your QB of the future in a game against a team that he will be playing against twice a year from this point on. Excellent post!
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No doubt.
My point is Colt has been to HS. Been to QB camps. Played at a top college program and has been prepped by advanced trainers in preparation for the NFL draft....not to mention a year in a pro training system.
If you think the guy has failed to do the things you mention and gotten to the point he is with a weak core and a lack of top quality training, then you or others have your heads buried in the sand.
The guys arm is about as good as it is going to get. Any improvements are going to me minimal.
John Elway didn't have a stronger arm than Bernie Kosar simply because he worked at it harder than Bernie did.
Personally I don't have a problem with where his arm strength is now. I'm just saying there are ways to improve it no matter how minimal the change is. Is it worth Colt going through all of that....probably not especially since I'll take accuracy over arm strength any day. Derek Anderception has mad arm strength but throws the ball six miles away from the nearest receiver and that's when he's not throwing it to the other team. It kills me watching some of you all week in and week out pick up and put down the torches and pitchforks. Most of the games Colt has played in were not lost because of him. Even this last loss isn't all on him. The Stooler trolls as they're constantly referred to as....ARE LAUGHING THEY'RE ASSES OFF...each week because some of us come on here and sound like clowns. Pick a side ladies and gentleman be a fan or don't.
Personally I don't have a problem with where his arm strength is now. I'm just saying there are ways to improve it no matter how minimal the change is. Is it worth Colt going through all of that....probably not especially since I'll take accuracy over arm strength any day. Derek Anderception has mad arm strength but throws the ball six miles away from the nearest receiver and that's when he's not throwing it to the other team. It kills me watching some of you all week in and week out pick up and put down the torches and pitchforks. Most of the games Colt has played in were not lost because of him. Even this last loss isn't all on him. The Stooler trolls as they're constantly referred to as....ARE LAUGHING THEY'RE ASSES OFF...each week because some of us come on here and sound like clowns. Pick a side ladies and gentleman be a fan or don't.
I don't have a problem with it either....as a baseball guy I tend to equate in those terms....he is a soft throwing change-up artist or lefty who can win games....no complaints here.
I am just pointing out to some who write as though they think the guy is going to develop a stronger arm through coaching.... he isn't.....he has had all the coaching he needs to know how to get it done.
The kid has had many years of top quality coaching. People have been working to develop his arm since he was 15 years old.
In this day and age, kids are coached young.
Kickers might be able to walk on to a college team and make a impact.....but a QB???
Nope, that kid has been groomed for a good while.
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Personally I don't have a problem with where his arm strength is now. I'm just saying there are ways to improve it no matter how minimal the change is. Is it worth Colt going through all of that....probably not especially since I'll take accuracy over arm strength any day. Derek Anderception has mad arm strength but throws the ball six miles away from the nearest receiver and that's when he's not throwing it to the other team. It kills me watching some of you all week in and week out pick up and put down the torches and pitchforks. Most of the games Colt has played in were not lost because of him. Even this last loss isn't all on him. The Stooler trolls as they're constantly referred to as....ARE LAUGHING THEY'RE ASSES OFF...each week because some of us come on here and sound like clowns. Pick a side ladies and gentleman be a fan or don't.
I don't have a problem with it either....as a baseball guy I tend to equate in those terms....he is a soft throwing change-up artist or lefty who can win games....no complaints here.
I am just pointing out to some who write as though they think the guy is going to develop a stronger arm through coaching.... he isn't.....he has had all the coaching he needs to know how to get it done.
The kid has had many years of top quality coaching. People have been working to develop his arm since he was 15 years old.
In this day and age, kids are coached young.
Kickers might be able to walk on to a college team and make a impact.....but a QB???
Nope, that kid has been groomed for a good while.
I don't have a problem with it either....as a baseball guy I tend to equate in those terms....he is a soft throwing change-up artist or lefty who can win games....no complaints here.
I am just pointing out to some who write as though they think the guy is going to develop a stronger arm through coaching.... he isn't.....he has had all the coaching he needs to know how to get it done.
The kid has had many years of top quality coaching. People have been working to develop his arm since he was 15 years old.
In this day and age, kids are coached young.
Kickers might be able to walk on to a college team and make a impact.....but a QB???
Nope, that kid has been groomed for a good while.
A lot of quarterbacks improve their mechanics and footwork marginally in the pros, and thus extend the range of their vertical throws 10 yards from where they were at when they played in college. If he extends the range where he can throw accurate strikes that much then "arm strength" won't be the reason he's not a top 10 quarterback in a few years.
It's not like he can't chuck it 75 yards today. He can. There's just a limit to how far he can throw the ball accurately and with the right amount of mustard.
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