Change You Can Believe In

[Chicopee John]

In a war with only 1 potential measure of success

Spending Billions of dollars on a witch hunt

Same Secretary of Defense as George W. Bush

Same General as George W. Bush (after the new General had to be removed)

Same surge strategy as George W. Bush except it worked in Iraq but not in Afganistan

Same 'deadline' for removing troops as the one initiated by George W. Bush

Am I missing something? If so, what am I missing?

PS Merry Christmas to all and nothing but good fortune in 2011.

[Kosar_For_President]

@chicopee-john said:

In a war with only 1 potential measure of success

Spending Billions of dollars on a witch hunt

Same Secretary of Defense as George W. Bush

Same General as George W. Bush (after the new General had to be removed)

Same surge strategy as George W. Bush except it worked in Iraq but not in Afganistan

Same 'deadline' for removing troops as the one initiated by George W. Bush

Am I missing something? If so, what am I missing?

PS Merry Christmas to all and nothing but good fortune in 2011.

Same shit, different pile.

[Westside Steve]

@chicopee-john said:

In a war with only 1 potential measure of success

Spending Billions of dollars on a witch hunt

Same Secretary of Defense as George W. Bush

Same General as George W. Bush (after the new General had to be removed)

Same surge strategy as George W. Bush except it worked in Iraq but not in Afganistan

Same 'deadline' for removing troops as the one initiated by George W. Bush

Am I missing something? If so, what am I missing?

PS Merry Christmas to all and nothing but good fortune in 2011.

Come now, there's Black Eyed Peas in the CD player on AF1 instead of Garth Brooks.

But at least the left can't cry that we're in Afghanistan to "steal their oil."

WSS

[calfoxwc]

Okay, so which Obamao czar's have oil interests?

It's all a sick joke. The predicted pull outs was just a big lie to the

silly libs who will buy anything lib politicians says.

Change for the WORSE, BIGTIME.

[Kosar_For_President]

@westside-steve said:

Come now, there's Black Eyed Peas in the CD player on AF1 instead of Garth Brooks.

That is the ONLY difference.

[calfoxwc]

Bush didn't NEED a teleprompter. Bush didn't put commies and marxists in the White House...

[osusev]

He figured out he has to govern from the center to get reelected.....

He has had major accomplishments as well as failure (nothing as epic as Bush)

You really only get to see the real motives in the back half of a presidents 2nd term because they have nothing to lose at that point.

[Mr. T]

@westside-steve said:

Come now, there's Black Eyed Peas in the CD player on AF1 instead of Garth Brooks.

But at least the left can't cry that we're in Afghanistan to "steal their oil."

WSS

I prefer to listen to

And the hippies on the left should be pleased that we are able to keep the drugs coming in from Afghanistan.

[dogma]

@mr.-t said:

I prefer to listen to

And the hippies on the left should be pleased that we are able to keep the drugs coming in from Afghanistan.

I hear Hank the 3rd is the real deal. I'm about to pick up a CD off amazon.

[Westside Steve]

@osusev said:

He figured out he has to govern from the center to get reelected.....

Whhy?

That's not how he got elected the first time.

He ran to the hardest left he could get away with.

He ran against the wars that even the right were tired of.

He ran against the spending of the Bush admin that "caused" the economic downturn.

He ran against the public mandate for universal care.

He ran on more entitlements paid for by soaking the "rich."

He didn't renig on Gitmo to appear conservative, he just realized it was a stupid promise that bought no extra bvotes.

He's not moving to the center he's just failing to keep his unrealistic (if not actually actually dishonest) promises.

All with one of the most lopsided congresses in history.

WSS

[dogma]

@calfoxwc said:

Bush didn't NEED a teleprompter. Bush didn't put commies and marxists in the White House...

No, but he sure misunderestimated the need for one.

He didn't put commies in, but he put the oil industry and the coal industry in charge of energy.

And he put possibly the biggest numskull in Donald Rumsfeld in charge of the war.

Oh and he created the unfunded mandate that is still killing districts, NCLB.

Yea Bush sure wasn't in need of a teleprompter.

That's so important.

The right is so much smarter than anyone would think from looking at what they do.

[Westside Steve]

@dogma said:

No, but he sure misunderestimated the need for one.

True enough.

Still is being a good reader the best qualification for president?

He didn't put commies in, but he put the oil industry and the coal industry in charge of energy.

Yeah boy. We shoewed then huh?

And he put possibly the biggest numskull in Donald Rumsfeld in charge of the war.

Huh? What did you disagree with Rumsfeld over and how is ot better bnow? Afghanistan looking like a win win yet?

Oh and he created the unfunded mandate that is still killing districts, NCLB.

Teddy's bill? Yep. Bad compromise there. Guess the Dems coulda dumped that over the last couple years eh?

Yea Bush sure wasn't in need of a teleprompter.

There are few better monologues than Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

Do I want him running the military? Hmmmm

That's so important.

The right is so much smarter than anyone would think from looking at what they do.

Well apparently from the successes of the last 4 years not a lot less smart.....

WSS

[dogma]

Rumsfeld and the whole crowd sent an unprepared national guard into a situation the leaders in the administration were clueless about. He had the great quote, "you send the army you got, not the army you want. What's better now? Not much except at least they have more materials than the troops who were originally sent in to be "welcomed as liberators".

Yea Teddy helped get the Bush Administration's Bill through the senate. Teddy was a murderer too. That doesn't make the right any better or less than the non right they bitch about all day long and people buy that crap.

Is the right less smart? Hardly. There all clever enough to keep their jobs and get that corporate dollar. Neither side has your or my true interests at heart. They're all working for someone else.

[Westside Steve]

@dogma said:

Rumsfeld and the whole crowd sent an unprepared national guard into a situation the leaders in the administration were clueless about. He had the great quote, "you send the army you got, not the army you want. What's better now? Not much except at least they have more materials than the troops who were originally sent in to be "welcomed as liberators".

Yea Teddy helped get the Bush Administration's Bill through the senate. Teddy was a murderer too. That doesn't make the right any better or less than the non right they bitch about all day long and people buy that crap.

Is the right less smart? Hardly. There all clever enough to keep their jobs and get that corporate dollar. Neither side has your or my true interests at heart. They're all working for someone else.

First one of ther disagreements that led to Rummy's exit was his idea that the war should have been short and sweet like Kuwait.

He didn't like having to try to keep the "more bopots on the ground" gang happy OR the nation builders.

And we have never ever gone to any war as prepared as we'd like to be.

And I repeat despite the drawbacks we're better with no Saddam no Iraqi nuclear program and no Iraqi oill sold for Euros.

(and yes I realize that's much like Obama telling us "well it'd be a lot worse if we didn't la la la.")

WSS

[dogma]

@westside-steve said:

First one of ther disagreements that led to Rummy's exit was his idea that the war should have been short and sweet like Kuwait.

He didn't like having to try to keep the "more bopots on the ground" gang happy OR the nation builders.

And we have never ever gone to any war as prepared as we'd like to be.

And I repeat despite the drawbacks we're better with no Saddam no Iraqi nuclear program and no Iraqi oill sold for Euros.

(and yes I realize that's much like Obama telling us "well it'd be a lot worse if we didn't la la la.")

WSS

Imagine how in debt we'd be if we unilaterally took out every government we'd be better off without.

[Westside Steve]

@dogma said:

Imagine how in debt we'd be if we unilaterally took out every government we'd be better off without.

No idea.

Greece is about to collapse (among others) and they have no military to speak of.

Are you guessing tht isolationism is the key to prosperity in this day and age?

" Neither side has your or my true interests at heart. They're all working for someone else. "

So what's new?

Do you have my best interest at heart?

WSS

[dogma]

@westside-steve said:

No idea.

Greece is about to collapse (among others) and they have no military to speak of.

Are you guessing tht isolationism is the key to prosperity in this day and age?

" Neither side has your or my true interests at heart. They're all working for someone else. "

So what's new?

Do you have my best interest at heart?

WSS

I have no idea why you'd assume that I'm an isolationist. That's kind of a lame argument against the stupidity that was the invasion of Iraq. To unilaterally assume the debt of destroying and trying to rebuild a nation is a really bad business decision. I think Colin Powell told them that.

Am I your political representative that you're concerned about whether or not I have your interest in mind?

[Westside Steve]

@dogma said:

I have no idea why you'd assume that I'm an isolationist. That's kind of a lame argument against the stupidity that was the invasion of Iraq. To unilaterally assume the debt of destroying and trying to rebuild a nation is a really bad business decision. I think Colin Powell told them that.

Am I your political representative that you're concerned about whether or not I have your interest in mind?

Nope.

I just assumed since you were upset about the issue you thought there was a faction out there that had my (or your) best interest at heart.

If so I wonder who that might be and whether you support them.

And as to the isolation bit, you mentioned (correct me if I'm wrong) that we can't afford to take out every foreign government we don't like.

So which ones, if not Iraq, can we afoord to take out and to what benefit?

If the answer is "none" then it sounds isolationist.

WSS

[dogma]

@westside-steve said:

Nope.

I just assumed since you were upset about the issue you thought there was a faction out there that had my (or your) best interest at heart.

If so I wonder who that might be and whether you support them.

And as to the isolation bit, you mentioned (correct me if I'm wrong) that we can't afford to take out every foreign government we don't like.

So which ones, if not Iraq, can we afoord to take out and to what benefit?

If the answer is "none" then it sounds isolationist.

WSS

It seems you're attempting to lead me down a road we weren't on.

I started with a comment about Bush being stupid and now you want me to prove how stupid I am. Let me help. Real stupid, but no so stupid to not realize that the Iraq war was and still is a fiasco.

[calfoxwc]

The Iraq war WAS NECESSARY.

My liberal friend, who worked in Intel over there, said so. He said the reasons why are classified,

and we won't be privy to knowing why.

No, I couldn't tease him into telling me in person, either.

Unlike a lot of libs, with them saying we should only have been in Afghanistan ...

I say Afghanistan, still being there, is stupid.