Browns Fire Eric Mangini
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Exit Mangini. Ryan won't be around either. I can't fault him for pursing his head coaching aspirations but in doing so he shows that he is not 100% committed in helping the Browns become contenders.
Lets see if the Walrus can work some his magic as he returns to the sidelines as Browns head coach.
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Rob Ryan won't last two years as a Head Coach. He's a smoke-n-mirrors guy. I'm with Roach and hope he lands in Cincy as their Head Coach.
Holmgren will take over as Head Coach and he will bring in a whole new staff or coordinators, including recommending Rob Ryan for a OC/HC job elsewhere. Why limp along with Ryan at DC with one-year left on his contract, when all he wants is to depart for a HC job somewhere? Get rid of him now so there are no changes a year into the rebuild.
Holmgren will draft a QB with the 6th overall pick and so the cycle continues ...
(the stadium would make a great dog track for summer use)
Rob Ryan won't last two years as a Head Coach. He's a smoke-n-mirrors guy. I'm with Roach and hope he lands in Cincy as their Head Coach.
Holmgren will take over as Head Coach and he will bring in a whole new staff or coordinators, including recommending Rob Ryan for a OC/HC job elsewhere. Why limp along with Ryan at DC with one-year left on his contract, when all he wants is to depart for a HC job somewhere? Get rid of him now so there are no changes a year into the rebuild.
Holmgren will draft a QB with the 6th overall pick and so the cycle continues ...
(the stadium would make a great dog track for summer use)
It would make a nice track....though the best ones have some sort of a lake in the middle.
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From the Plain Dealer:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...e_eric_man.html
Sounds pretty likely that Holmgren takes over as coach.
Good call.. you have said all along that mangini would be canned and homgren would coach. You took a lot of crap for it to..
Now who is laughing
Now who is laughing
you know you've turned out to be the biggest cxxt on this board. yeah you got your wish...manigini is gone. so what now be a bigger dick and start dancing?
who the fxxk is laughing when you are a fan of this team? obviously you have another agenda besides wanting the best for the browns. do us a favor and blow gruden on your own time. holmgren take over? screw that. marty morningwheg? puke. this is gonna suck. and all you schlubs like holmgren are gonna be in for a big surprise when this WCO fat fxxk throws out the fact that we are starting all over AGAIN and it will be 2013 before HIS system shows significant change.
what a bunch of ignorant bitches. go flip the burgers. are you wearing your burger king crown?
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Although I don't agree with it, In Walrus I Trust. Isn't Gruden the Godfather to The Walruses kids?
Let's go Browns.
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I don't care who comes into coach. I believe Mike will make the right call on that, but I DO NOT want to run a 4-3 in this division.
Please Please Please Mike, lets stick with the 3-4!
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Now who is laughing
you know you've turned out to be the biggest cxxt on this board. yeah you got your wish...manigini is gone. so what now be a bigger dick and start dancing?
who the fxxk is laughing when you are a fan of this team? obviously you have another agenda besides wanting the best for the browns. do us a favor and blow gruden on your own time. holmgren take over? screw that. marty morningwheg? puke. this is gonna suck. and all you schlubs like holmgren are gonna be in for a big surprise when this WCO fat fxxk throws out the fact that we are starting all over AGAIN and it will be 2013 before HIS system shows significant change.
what a bunch of ignorant bitches. go flip the burgers. are you wearing your burger king crown?
you know you've turned out to be the biggest cxxt on this board. yeah you got your wish...manigini is gone. so what now be a bigger dick and start dancing?
who the fxxk is laughing when you are a fan of this team? obviously you have another agenda besides wanting the best for the browns. do us a favor and blow gruden on your own time. holmgren take over? screw that. marty morningwheg? puke. this is gonna suck. and all you schlubs like holmgren are gonna be in for a big surprise when this WCO fat fxxk throws out the fact that we are starting all over AGAIN and it will be 2013 before HIS system shows significant change.
what a bunch of ignorant bitches. go flip the burgers. are you wearing your burger king crown?
Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
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I think another interesting name that could be out there is Jeff Fisher IF the Titans decide to let him go. That man is just a good coach. My gut feeling right now is that we bring in Fox if we can't persuade Gruden to coach again. If neither of those guys work out, then I think it's Holmgren
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I don't care who comes into coach. I believe Mike will make the right call on that, but I DO NOT want to run a 4-3 in this division.
Please Please Please Mike, lets stick with the 3-4!
I don't care who comes into coach. I believe Mike will make the right call on that, but I DO NOT want to run a 4-3 in this division.
Please Please Please Mike, lets stick with the 3-4!
curious as to why you think that? (not trying to be an ass or anything im asking honestly)
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I remember 2 years ago when Mangini was hired. I was really upset and wanted him out asap. I thought that he would set us back a few years and would fail miserably. In fact, the only reason why I joined this board was to voice my displeasure about the Mangini hiring. I was perhaps the most outspoken board member throughout his first off season and most of the regular season. All that changed when we won the last four games including the Steeler game. I saw the progress we had made and started to believe in Mangini. I then became a fan of him and his moves and began singing his praises.
Throughout last off season and this season, I continued to believe in him and his staff. I liked the direction they were headed in and where we were going. We showed progress even though the record did not indicate it. We were a better team this year than the last couple and make huge strides in some areas. However, this was not enough to keep Mangini his job. This saddens me. I do believe that he deserved another year and that he should have gotten it. However, I do not think poorly of Holmgren for it. It is his decision.
I wish Eric the best of luck and think that he will be successful with whatever he does next. Farewell, Eric Mangini.
Here is the whole point of this thread: Don't hang your heads, Browns fans. Don't mope or jump ship to another team. Believe in this team. Believe in what we are doing. We have some good players who showed potential this year in Haden, Mack, Ward, and Hillis. They could turn into great players some day. Hopefully I'm right. Be proud of our team and our history. Yes, other team's fans will continue to make fun of us and say that he root for a horrible franchise and live in a crap city, but don't be upset. We will be great again.
Don't make my mistakes. When we hire a new coach, support him. Even if you can't stand the man, root for him. Don't make asinine statements like I did and let past deeds get in the way. I have been very outspoken in my opinion about not wanting John Gruden as a head coach. However, if he is hired, I will become the biggest Gruden fan in the world. I will not make the same mistake.
Don't be ignorant and not give the guy a chance. Believe in him. Support him. Give the guy a chance like I should have done for Mangini.
Although I am sad that the revolving door of coaches have continued here in Cleveland, I am also excited. We have a lot to look forward to and should be happy going into the off season. Let's make the best of the next 8 months and rally around our team and new coaching staff.
And most importantly, Go Browns!
once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy -
I think another interesting name that could be out there is Jeff Fisher IF the Titans decide to let him go. That man is just a good coach. My gut feeling right now is that we bring in Fox if we can't persuade Gruden to coach again. If neither of those guys work out, then I think it's Holmgren
I think another interesting name that could be out there is Jeff Fisher IF the Titans decide to let him go. That man is just a good coach. My gut feeling right now is that we bring in Fox if we can't persuade Gruden to coach again. If neither of those guys work out, then I think it's Holmgren
I like that choice as well. I think he's going to lose the power struggle in Tennessee and going to be looking for a job.
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curious as to why you think that? (not trying to be an ass or anything im asking honestly)
I am no guru, but I can tell you two key things about the two defenses:
The 3-4 and 4-3 do not offer much difference as far as sacks and rushing yard allowed when you compare the top teams in each.
The 3-4 has the big advantage of flexibility. Your plays can adjust quickly to how the offense lines up and you can disguise much easier.
We just need the players. Fujita alone was a huge loss for us and you could see the run defense decline without him.
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It is indeed sad. I felt another season with mangini and another good draft would yield huge results.
Best of luck to eric!
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you know you've turned out to be the biggest cxxt on this board. yeah you got your wish...manigini is gone. so what now be a bigger dick and start dancing?
who the fxxk is laughing when you are a fan of this team? obviously you have another agenda besides wanting the best for the browns. do us a favor and blow gruden on your own time. holmgren take over? screw that. marty morningwheg? puke. this is gonna suck. and all you schlubs like holmgren are gonna be in for a big surprise when this WCO fat fxxk throws out the fact that we are starting all over AGAIN and it will be 2013 before HIS system shows significant change.
what a bunch of ignorant bitches. go flip the burgers. are you wearing your burger king crown?
Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back kiddo.
What happens if Holmgren names himself HC and he flops? Does he fire himself?
Plenty of INTELLIGENT posts from the past have pointed out the WCO won't necessarily work in Cleveland. What's the common thread between Baltimore and Pittsburgh? A power running game, and a GREAT defense. Running game check. Great defense? Years away yet. In Green Bay Holmie happened to have a HOF quarterback.
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I think another interesting name that could be out there is Jeff Fisher IF the Titans decide to let him go. That man is just a good coach. My gut feeling right now is that we bring in Fox if we can't persuade Gruden to coach again. If neither of those guys work out, then I think it's Holmgren
I think another interesting name that could be out there is Jeff Fisher IF the Titans decide to let him go. That man is just a good coach. My gut feeling right now is that we bring in Fox if we can't persuade Gruden to coach again. If neither of those guys work out, then I think it's Holmgren
Living just a couple hours from Nashville, I'd love to see Fisher as coach.
A No nonsense guy and a heck of a football coach...
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you know you've turned out to be the biggest cxxt on this board. yeah you got your wish...manigini is gone. so what now be a bigger dick and start dancing?
who the fxxk is laughing when you are a fan of this team? obviously you have another agenda besides wanting the best for the browns. do us a favor and blow gruden on your own time. holmgren take over? screw that. marty morningwheg? puke. this is gonna suck. and all you schlubs like holmgren are gonna be in for a big surprise when this WCO fat fxxk throws out the fact that we are starting all over AGAIN and it will be 2013 before HIS system shows significant change.
what a bunch of ignorant bitches. go flip the burgers. are you wearing your burger king crown?
Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
how many times have YOU been right in anything in YOUR life? i'm sure your parents have doubted their decision on a nightly basis.
i think a mass majority of us wishes you weren't a browns fan. FxxK YOU. where did you grow up, yonkers? i was born in the same town as gruden (sandusky) and do you think they have signs claiming him as one of ours? NO. scott may, thom darden, orlando pace...driving into town we proudly proclaim these star athletes. gruden? hell no. we used to beat him up just for the fxxk of it. speaking of which, where do you live in ny? i see you don't have the balls in your personal info to put that up. why? let me know where you hang out so we can talk football..........right along with kicking your ass. fudge.
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curious as to why you think that? (not trying to be an ass or anything im asking honestly)
I am no guru, but I can tell you two key things about the two defenses:
The 3-4 and 4-3 do not offer much difference as far as sacks and rushing yard allowed when you compare the top teams in each.
The 3-4 has the big advantage of flexibility. Your plays can adjust quickly to how the offense lines up and you can disguise much easier.
We just need the players. Fujita alone was a huge loss for us and you could see the run defense decline without him.
I am no guru, but I can tell you two key things about the two defenses:
The 3-4 and 4-3 do not offer much difference as far as sacks and rushing yard allowed when you compare the top teams in each.
The 3-4 has the big advantage of flexibility. Your plays can adjust quickly to how the offense lines up and you can disguise much easier.
We just need the players. Fujita alone was a huge loss for us and you could see the run defense decline without him.
I agree. The two OLB give you a lot of options.
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I remember 2 years ago when Mangini was hired. I was really upset and wanted him out asap. I thought that he would set us back a few years and would fail miserably. In fact, the only reason why I joined this board was to voice my displeasure about the Mangini hiring. I was perhaps the most outspoken board member throughout his first off season and most of the regular season. All that changed when we won the last four games including the Steeler game. I saw the progress we had made and started to believe in Mangini. I then became a fan of him and his moves and began singing his praises.
Throughout last off season and this season, I continued to believe in him and his staff. I liked the direction they were headed in and where we were going. We showed progress even though the record did not indicate it. We were a better team this year than the last couple and make huge strides in some areas. However, this was not enough to keep Mangini his job. This saddens me. I do believe that he deserved another year and that he should have gotten it. However, I do not think poorly of Holmgren for it. It is his decision.
I wish Eric the best of luck and think that he will be successful with whatever he does next. Farewell, Eric Mangini.
Here is the whole point of this thread: Don't hang your heads, Browns fans. Don't mope or jump ship to another team. Believe in this team. Believe in what we are doing. We have some good players who showed potential this year in Haden, Mack, Ward, and Hillis. They could turn into great players some day. Hopefully I'm right. Be proud of our team and our history. Yes, other team's fans will continue to make fun of us and say that he root for a horrible franchise and live in a crap city, but don't be upset. We will be great again.
Don't make my mistakes. When we hire a new coach, support him. Even if you can't stand the man, root for him. Don't make asinine statements like I did and let past deeds get in the way. I have been very outspoken in my opinion about not wanting John Gruden as a head coach. However, if he is hired, I will become the biggest Gruden fan in the world. I will not make the same mistake.
Don't be ignorant and not give the guy a chance. Believe in him. Support him. Give the guy a chance like I should have done for Mangini.
Although I am sad that the revolving door of coaches have continued here in Cleveland, I am also excited. We have a lot to look forward to and should be happy going into the off season. Let's make the best of the next 8 months and rally around our team and new coaching staff.
And most importantly, Go Browns!
Here is the whole point of this thread: Don't hang your heads, Browns fans. Don't mope or jump ship to another team. Believe in this team. Believe in what we are doing. We have some good players who showed potential this year in Haden, Mack, Ward, and Hillis. They could turn into great players some day. Hopefully I'm right. Be proud of our team and our history. Yes, other team's fans will continue to make fun of us and say that he root for a horrible franchise and live in a crap city, but don't be upset. We will be great again.
BS Holmgren is a power hungry guy that didn't want things done in a way differently than he would do it. I won't switch to another team, I think I will just stop following the NFL. Not worth the bother
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Uhmm who is ignorant. I have been saying that mangini would be fired since like week 10.
If you read my post it wasn't dancing about him getting fired but some of us being right.
Am I happy? Hell yeah... its like an late xmas gift for me...
Stop rooting for the browns you baby
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back kiddo.
What happens if Holmgren names himself HC and he flops? Does he fire himself?
Plenty of INTELLIGENT posts from the past have pointed out the WCO won't necessarily work in Cleveland. What's the common thread between Baltimore and Pittsburgh? A power running game, and a GREAT defense. Running game check. Great defense? Years away yet. In Green Bay Holmie happened to have a HOF quarterback.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back kiddo.
What happens if Holmgren names himself HC and he flops? Does he fire himself?
Plenty of INTELLIGENT posts from the past have pointed out the WCO won't necessarily work in Cleveland. What's the common thread between Baltimore and Pittsburgh? A power running game, and a GREAT defense. Running game check. Great defense? Years away yet. In Green Bay Holmie happened to have a HOF quarterback.
Yeah cause us playing smash mouth football with great defense has worked in the past? Here is a article I found interesting from years ago
"Despite this success, there always have been skeptics. Like the reporters who greeted Holmgren the day he was introduced as head coach of the Packers.
"My first press conference in Green Bay, they're looking at this passing-game offense and asking, 'You know how cold and miserable it gets in November and December?'" Holmgren recalled, unable to hold back a smile. "I said, 'Yeah, and I think it can work.'"
In seven seasons under Holmgren, the Packers were 27-1 at home in November and December, and 5-0 in home playoff games.
"Mike made that offense go in cold weather," his late veteran defensive coordinator, Fritz Shurmur, once said. "He was the first guy to really do that. When he first went to Green Bay I remember people saying, 'Oh, it won't go.'"
Favre made it go. The Packers' exciting, and excitable, passer became a three-time league MVP while directing an offense Holmgren likes to call quarterback friendly. Having the right quarterback is the common thread to having success running the West Coast offense and its many variations. In San Francisco, it was Montana and is still Steve Young. In Denver, Shanahan had John Elway. In Minnesota, Green has had Warren Moon, Brad Johnson and Randall Cunningham.
"It's just a way of making things easier for your quarterback, so you have to design it for whoever that happens to be," Shanahan said.
Whether it's Elway, Young, Favre or Jon Kitna.
"You have to have the quarterback," Holmgren said. "You've got to have that guy so he's making good decisions most of the time, and he's pretty accurate. If you don't have that, then you might as well run the ball."
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