How many wins/what scores did Mangini have to get in order to keep his job?
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It had to do with the wins for sure. Holmgren could not have fired Mangini if Mangini won the games he was supposed to. But the way the team was proceeding was so terrible that the losses and the nature of losses become despicable.
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It had to do with the wins for sure. Holmgren could not have fired Mangini if Mangini won the games he was supposed to. But the way the team was proceeding was so terrible that the losses and the nature of losses become despicable.
It had to do with the wins for sure. Holmgren could not have fired Mangini if Mangini won the games he was supposed to. But the way the team was proceeding was so terrible that the losses and the nature of losses become despicable.
I think EM was a lame duck as soon as MH took over. It was pretty much a case of you have one year to prove your worth and make the playoffs (which no one could have done with this roster) or you are done. Thats just the feeling I get. I've been wrong before ya know.
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It had to do with the wins for sure. Holmgren could not have fired Mangini if Mangini won the games he was supposed to. But the way the team was proceeding was so terrible that the losses and the nature of losses become despicable.
I think EM was a lame duck as soon as MH took over. It was pretty much a case of you have one year to prove your worth and make the playoffs (which no one could have done with this roster) or you are done. Thats just the feeling I get. I've been wrong before ya know.
I think EM was a lame duck as soon as MH took over. It was pretty much a case of you have one year to prove your worth and make the playoffs (which no one could have done with this roster) or you are done. Thats just the feeling I get. I've been wrong before ya know.
That is impression many get since Mangini and Holmgren are from different coaching trees, but if you were to look at the late season collapse It gives Holmgren a very solid reason. You can play the way u did before and then lose to the Bills and Bengals in such a fashion. The loss to the Steelers was the icing on the cake. The way the team went was as if they had lost hope on EM. IMO i always thought that getting a good OC who could design good schemes and few good Free Agents (in WR atleast) would have made the Browns more competitive this year, but unfortunately both were options that were not pursued.
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I was thinking 8-9 impressive wins but mangini forgot about the guy that saved his job and systematically eliminated jerome harrison instead of including him in the offense, he could have been very useful on the outside..
I was thinking 8-9 impressive wins but mangini forgot about the guy that saved his job and systematically eliminated jerome harrison instead of including him in the offense, he could have been very useful on the outside..
does peyton hillis ring a bell? plus heckert was the one that dealt harrison for bell...
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Well then, I should make a new post but I know there is tons already. What would you do differently, and where do we go from here? I think Eric was probably the best coach out there right now and I am wondering who we will try to get. Even more, I am wondering who will be willing to come to Cleveland.
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I think Mangini would have stayed if the Browns had scored more points than the majority of their opponents and won most of their games.....especially the close ones against teams they should have beaten.
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I don't think records had anything to do with it.
BUT -- if they did matter, going 2-6 to end the season is not the way to do it. Losing to CIN and BUF the way we did, running the ball in the cold weather when Mangini said we would be a cold weather team capable of running the balls, sealed it. I think a complete ineptness on offense vs JAX after we stole the ball SIX times and scored 3 points sealed it.
I think sitting Haden for Wright so long sealed it. I think not finding a spot on the team for Jerome Harrison sealed it. I think running the ball with Jamal Lewis last season instead of giving it to some young players sealed it. I think putting the putrid Delhomme back on the field instead of the less putrid Wallace sealed it.
8 wins is not a watershed number. Ending the season 2-6, while not taking advantage of any momentum after NE and NO was a sure fire way to get booted.
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above .500 either season would have probably saved him.
that or 2 braincells to rub together.
either way, you're better off without him.
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