All but 1 assistant let go. Ryan pissed.
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Ryan deserves so much more respect than what he's getting. ugh. He's a better coach than Rex!
hillis4life said:
Ryan deserves so much more respect than what he's getting. ugh. He's a better coach than Rex!coaching what?
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have you posted this elsewhere?
you have naysayers.
asst.coaches don't normally stay on....
have you posted this elsewhere?
you have naysayers.
asst.coaches don't normally stay on....
No, only here, just passing the info is all. We will find it if its true or not I guess...
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Only in a world where Browns fans take on the role of a downtrodden franchise would some be even remotely surprised and seemingly inconsolable over the firing of most of the staff of the former head coach.
Typical of us Browns fans - we seem to think OUR 5-11 record was the best 5-11 in NFL history.
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Only in a world where Browns fans take on the role of a downtrodden franchise would some be even remotely surprised and seemingly inconsolable over the firing of most of the staff of the former head coach.
Typical of us Browns fans - we seem to think OUR 5-11 record was the best 5-11 in NFL history.
Only in a world where Browns fans take on the role of a downtrodden franchise would some be even remotely surprised and seemingly inconsolable over the firing of most of the staff of the former head coach.
Typical of us Browns fans - we seem to think OUR 5-11 record was the best 5-11 in NFL history.
Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
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Formerly Stone said:
It's also very shallow to look only at the close games you shoulda, woulda, coulda, won! How about the close games you coulda lost? Hoss was spot on!Every bad team in the NFL could do what you did and come up with a better record.....every single one of them.
Very true, but do you take away the games ATL, The Jets, Buf and KC won because it was our mistake or they got "lucky"? NOPE, they won, and 3 of those teams are in the playoffs using that win.
Fact is, fumbles and pick 6's are NOT the fault of the coach!!!!!
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Sources tell me phil dawson won't be back next year
Sources tell me Gruden said FU to the Browns job.....
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Formerly Stone said:
WTF?Atlanta made the playoffs because of a lucky play against the Browns? At 12-4 they would still be the #1 seed!
Coaching or players, it was the BROWNS who finished 5-11 and three of the four teams that finished below the Browns could use your logic to show they are better than the Browns, thereby leaving the Browns and the Panthers fighting for the #1 draft pick.
LOL! Ok, then, MANGINI SUCKS! HIRE SHURMUR! Thats the ticket, another "rebuild" of coaches, another unproven guy that couldnt lead his O past the 26th ranked in the NFL, and another 2 years till a completely new FO. Same crap over and over expecting different results. Good to go.
Tired of arguing this stupid point, BRING ON THE LOSING!
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We were outmanned in almost every game we played this year. In some games we came up with schemes that confused the other team and we managed to win. We need several new players on both sides of the ball. Holmgren knew that if he brought a coach in last year the guy would have no chance of winning. So he let mangini attempt to turn sh** into shinola knowing that there was almost no chance of it happening. Holmgren could probably see that if he gave mangini another year they could finish 9-7 and he would be stuck with him.
I think Holmgren's ego was an issue in all of this. If he brings in a WCO guy he will get credit for the success. He must be very confident that the guy will be successful.
Ryan is a believer in Mangini's and BBs way of success, he had no chance of becoming the head coach
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Sources tell me Gruden said FU to the Browns job.....
So ur ssource is the same as mine then, the internet!
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I read the Browns are moving fast to hire Shurmur because they want to retain Ryan. So, you know... we'll see.
There's also talk that the Browns want their DC to be a former head coach (like John Fox) to surround Shurmur with experience.
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Only in a world where Browns fans take on the role of a downtrodden franchise would some be even remotely surprised and seemingly inconsolable over the firing of most of the staff of the former head coach.
Typical of us Browns fans - we seem to think OUR 5-11 record was the best 5-11 in NFL history.
Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
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I love my magic 8-ball.
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Wow! It's been a long time since I heard shit and shinola used together. My grandmother used to say "you don't know shit from Shinola"
Formerly Shunned
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I'm sure she did say that to you all the time. She was right. That's you, even to this day...
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Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
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It was asswipes like she was talking about!
Go back to studying for your SAT's there skippy! Formerly and Still Stoned?
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"It was asswipes like she was ..."
You don't make any kind of sense. Perhaps you should slow your mind down a lot.
And, when I was in hs, back in the day, I don't think SAT's were invented yet.
Tell your teacher you need a tutor to help you move to a squeeler board, to post intelligently, and be accepted there.
Good freakin luck to ya !
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#Browns hoping to fit DC Rob Ryan and SC Brad Seely with Pat Shurmur, if chemistry is right.
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We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
Delhomme, nuff said....
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
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We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
What does Jake have to do with Mangini stocking his roster with mediocre, average, ST's guys who have nowhere else to go, and nothing better to do than to buy into his system?
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