All but 1 assistant let go. Ryan pissed.
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I read the Browns are moving fast to hire Shurmur because they want to retain Ryan. So, you know... we'll see.
There's also talk that the Browns want their DC to be a former head coach (like John Fox) to surround Shurmur with experience.
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Only in a world where Browns fans take on the role of a downtrodden franchise would some be even remotely surprised and seemingly inconsolable over the firing of most of the staff of the former head coach.
Typical of us Browns fans - we seem to think OUR 5-11 record was the best 5-11 in NFL history.
Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
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I love my magic 8-ball.
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Wow! It's been a long time since I heard shit and shinola used together. My grandmother used to say "you don't know shit from Shinola"
Formerly Shunned
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I'm sure she did say that to you all the time. She was right. That's you, even to this day...
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Again, 2 fumbles and one pick 6 away from 8-8, toughest schedule, injuries with NO depth to the team, and holes in important positions..........so yeah, we were better than our record and Mangini got that team playing above their talent level in many spots.....its very shallow and viewing everything in black and white to say 5-11 over and over again without taking ANYTHING else into consideration.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
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It was asswipes like she was talking about!
Go back to studying for your SAT's there skippy! Formerly and Still Stoned?
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"It was asswipes like she was ..."
You don't make any kind of sense. Perhaps you should slow your mind down a lot.
And, when I was in hs, back in the day, I don't think SAT's were invented yet.
Tell your teacher you need a tutor to help you move to a squeeler board, to post intelligently, and be accepted there.
Good freakin luck to ya !
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#Browns hoping to fit DC Rob Ryan and SC Brad Seely with Pat Shurmur, if chemistry is right.
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We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
Delhomme, nuff said....
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
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We lost to CIN and BUF because they ran the ball down our throats. 2 win teams mind you. We barely "won" vs the worst team in the league (CAR) because Ryan's D allowed Clausen to place his team in position to win. Then Ryan's D blows it vs. JAX and NY. I am not saying the guy sucked but please don't harp on depth with this football team. Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
Time and again Mangini tossed players to the side because they did not play ST's, so in this regard he stocked his "depth" not with players who were good backups or position players, but with guys who played good ST's. His depth on this football team was his own doing, and not something Heckert could undo in one offseason. So yeah, depth on both sides of the ball was Mangini wanting ST's players, not good position players.
Delhomme, nuff said....
What does Jake have to do with Mangini stocking his roster with mediocre, average, ST's guys who have nowhere else to go, and nothing better to do than to buy into his system?
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Delhomme, nuff said....
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
Wallace = 1-4. Jake = 2-2.........
I hear a lot of bitching about Mangini while not taking into consideration that HOLMGREN brought Wallace and Delhomme to the team, and Delhomme was paid HOW MUCH to be the starter? By WHOM?
Give me a break, every bad thing you guys nailed on mangini, every good thing, you gave to everyone else. Learn where to actually put the blame.....
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Delhomme, nuff said....
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
And I have NO PROBLEM with how Haden was brought along. Prove that how he was handled wasnt EXACTLY what made him that good in the NFL. You can, and I cant prove the opposite, so basically its speculation of how a rookie was brought into ONE OF THE HARDEST POSITIONS IN THE NFL TO LEARN FOR A ROOKIE!
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Formerly Stone said:
The proof is usually in the pudding and you don't see any of the other 31 teams rushing to grab up Mangini do you?And Shurmur? How many interviews has he had? What about Fox? What about......
Hell, teams arent knocking down The Tuna's door either.....
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Oh, and Romeo played Lewis ahead of Harrison, Reid is playing ANYONE ahead of Harrison....ok.....
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I do not know who the 1 assistant who may be retained... Ryan is fuming, he expected a chance at the HC gig let alone being fired.
He has been right so far with dates and info, until he is wrong, I am taking it partially serious at least.
From the same guy. Shurmur being hired and John Fox contacted to be the DC. I don't need to reveal who my sources. My track record proves I'm correct more than not. Naming names is not cool. Consider me a reliable source .
I do not know who the 1 assistant who may be retained... Ryan is fuming, he expected a chance at the HC gig let alone being fired.
He has been right so far with dates and info, until he is wrong, I am taking it partially serious at least.
From the same guy. Shurmur being hired and John Fox contacted to be the DC. I don't need to reveal who my sources. My track record proves I'm correct more than not. Naming names is not cool. Consider me a reliable source .
Who's the guy? If you can't even name your infallible source, then how can I take it as credible?
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Formerly Stone said:
Does he really?We all know stats can be deceiving. One area where stats are "really" deceiving is the general defense. When you have an inept, interception prone, offense; your defense is going to look falsely good. When other teams know that to beat you they only only have to score 13 points and they are likely to get a pick or two, their offensive game plan is going to be very conservative. This leads to your defense racking up good looking stats which don't tell the real story!
Is Ryan really that good? Who knows?
That's a theory. You are right, we really don't know how good Rob Ryan might be. In the last several games the Browns defense got run over pretty good by the opponent's rushing attacks.
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New head coach, I expect all assistants to go and said so a couple of weeks ago. The Fox angle makes sense too if he (Fox) doesn't get a HC job. All of that is good with me. Let Holmgren get all his team in and give them a chance to succeed or fail. The table was set for all of this when Holmgren came to Cleveland so it shouldn't be a big shock to anyone.
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Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
Wallace = 1-4. Jake = 2-2.........
I hear a lot of bitching about Mangini while not taking into consideration that HOLMGREN brought Wallace and Delhomme to the team, and Delhomme was paid HOW MUCH to be the starter? By WHOM?
Give me a break, every bad thing you guys nailed on mangini, every good thing, you gave to everyone else. Learn where to actually put the blame.....
Wallace = 1-4. Jake = 2-2.........
I hear a lot of bitching about Mangini while not taking into consideration that HOLMGREN brought Wallace and Delhomme to the team, and Delhomme was paid HOW MUCH to be the starter? By WHOM?
Give me a break, every bad thing you guys nailed on mangini, every good thing, you gave to everyone else. Learn where to actually put the blame.....
Oh I see what you're saying --- it was HOLMGREN's fault that Mangini played Jake above Wallace. Hmm, more Mangini excuses? No thanks, I am full.
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I do not know who the 1 assistant who may be retained... Ryan is fuming, he expected a chance at the HC gig let alone being fired.
He has been right so far with dates and info, until he is wrong, I am taking it partially serious at least.
From the same guy. Shurmur being hired and John Fox contacted to be the DC. I don't need to reveal who my sources. My track record proves I'm correct more than not. Naming names is not cool. Consider me a reliable source .
Who's the guy? If you can't even name your infallible source, then how can I take it as credible?
Who's the guy? If you can't even name your infallible source, then how can I take it as credible?
All I said was, here is some info from a guy that has been right so far, take it for what it is. Take it serious, dont take it serious, dont really care.....
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Delhomme, nuff said....
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
Than why was Delhomme playing QB for this team? Was it because Wallace wasn't one of Mangini's guys? Are you seriously going to tell me that Jake was a better option over Wallace? That is like Lewis last season playing over Harrison until he got hurt, and Wright playing over Haden until he got hurt.
I hear excuses for Mangini. Lots and lots of excuses.
I'll give credit to Shep for pointing out- Mangini liked Clemens in NY. But let's go further. Played an injured Bret Favre, was not exactly stellar in handling the Quinn Anderson problem last year. Trotted out a crippled Jake against Atlanta as opposed to a healthy Colt. Can't manage quarterbacks?
Had Haden benched the first couple of games where he should have been starting from day one. Turtle ball against the Bills. Kicking a fXXXing field goal against the Steelers when you're already down 14 points in the first quarter, 4th and goal from the 2.
Mangini's exit presser "thanks Mike for letting me coach the team my way". Those were YOUR decisions EM, and taken as a whole it's what got you fired.
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Wallace = 1-4. Jake = 2-2.........
I hear a lot of bitching about Mangini while not taking into consideration that HOLMGREN brought Wallace and Delhomme to the team, and Delhomme was paid HOW MUCH to be the starter? By WHOM?
Give me a break, every bad thing you guys nailed on mangini, every good thing, you gave to everyone else. Learn where to actually put the blame.....
Oh I see what you're saying --- it was HOLMGREN's fault that Mangini played Jake above Wallace. Hmm, more Mangini excuses? No thanks, I am full.
Oh I see what you're saying --- it was HOLMGREN's fault that Mangini played Jake above Wallace. Hmm, more Mangini excuses? No thanks, I am full.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA! Do you see the win loss there for each QB? Yeah.......you guys act like Mangini sat Manning for Jake. WALLACE HAS BEEN A BACKUP, ALWAYS WILL BE A BACKUP, NOTHING MORE THAN A BACKUP! Jake STILL went 2-1 in the 3 games he played, but thats bad, Wallace should have gone 2-1, then you would be ok with it....
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