2011 COACHING AND FRONT OFFICE MOVEMENT
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Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur do have something in common. They will all be watching the real teams in the playoffs from a sofa in a basement in downtown Clevelend wishing they knew how to be a winner in the AFC North. Maybe Shurmur needs a terrible towel to remind him of who is the Boss in the NFL.
Surf and Turf said:
Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur do have something in common. They will all be watching the real teams in the playoffs from a sofa in a basement in downtown Clevelend wishing they knew how to be a winner in the AFC North. Maybe Shurmur needs a terrible towel to remind him of who is the Boss in the NFL.either that or pinstripes- but then again, whats the difference?
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here are some interesting takes by other fans:
gips January 12, 2011 at 6:15PM
This guy is a nobody with very little credentials, i hope holmgren knows what he is doing because it looks to me like bob lamonte is running the browns..
(another Gips!! what are the odds?!?)
sudoku77 January 12, 2011 at 6:15PM
Holmgren amd Lamonte nepotism at its worst. L Bentley is correct...Holmgren does not care about wins and losses, he only cares about the Lamonte family business. Stinks to be a Browns fan.
WOW!!
raw CLE pessimism makes me smile. 
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Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
yeah my best friends a die hard Rams fan and he was shocked. I get the image in my head of us getting blown out and the same old baffled looked from the head coach..
I am hoping im wrong.. I do remember I was angry when Joe Torre was hired by the Yankees and that seemed to work out for them.
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Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
hey Gips, was that you on cle.com or ur gips doppleganger? no way there's two, right?
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Browns football just became irrelevant to me..
I know nothing about this guy other than he is likely not the right guy, he doesnt seem to have the fire or passion and will be nothing more than another eric mangini/romeo crennel, a bump on the log looking like he doesnt have a clue about whats going on or even cares and im sick of manically depressed and or Retarded coaches in mangini's case..
If anyone knows anything about this guy please tell us because most rams fans i have talked to are as happy to see him go as we were to see daboll gone...
hey Gips, was that you on cle.com or ur gips doppleganger? no way there's two, right?
hey Gips, was that you on cle.com or ur gips doppleganger? no way there's two, right?
Gips doesn't ever reply man
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he gets 1 year from me...tops. if that. if this is the best holmgren can do, then ill be starting the "fire holmgren" threads by week 6.
pathetic.....
if you cant see this for what it is....a good-ol-boy hire, then keep investing your time and money in this sad excuse for a franchise. this is simply a yes-man coach now.....shurmur is now holmgrens bitch....do as he wants, do as he says....this is holmgrens way of coaching without the title of head coach. he only got this job cause his uncle was on holmgrens staff in green bay.
bet this guy gets 4 years just because hes holmgrens pick. welcome mediocrity everyone.....
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he gets 1 year from me...tops. if that. if this is the best holmgren can do, then ill be starting the "fire holmgren" threads by week 6.
pathetic.....
if you cant see this for what it is....a good-ol-boy hire, then keep investing your time and money in this sad excuse for a franchise. this is simply a yes-man coach now.....shurmur is now holmgrens bitch....do as he wants, do as he says....this is holmgrens way of coaching without the title of head coach. he only got this job cause his uncle was on holmgrens staff in green bay.
bet this guy gets 4 years just because hes holmgrens pick. welcome mediocrity everyone.....
he gets 1 year from me...tops. if that. if this is the best holmgren can do, then ill be starting the "fire holmgren" threads by week 6.
pathetic.....
if you cant see this for what it is....a good-ol-boy hire, then keep investing your time and money in this sad excuse for a franchise. this is simply a yes-man coach now.....shurmur is now holmgrens bitch....do as he wants, do as he says....this is holmgrens way of coaching without the title of head coach. he only got this job cause his uncle was on holmgrens staff in green bay.
bet this guy gets 4 years just because hes holmgrens pick. welcome mediocrity everyone.....
I'm not going to pass judgment until I can see how this guy coaches. Alot of people who didn't have big names have made the jump to head coach and done great while people who have done great things have made the jump and done horrible. You guys wanted Mangini fired with no other name in mind other than Gruden. Well you don't get Gruden you get this guy so just deal with it.
I also don't know what you want in a coach. You hate Mangini because you think he's too quite but you hate Ryan because he is too loud. The deal is that you don't give a shit how much he talks or how angry he can get, all that matters is if he wins and we haven't seen if he can or not yet.
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I'm on the same page as Shep....As fans, even the most knowledgeable don't know SQUAT compared to Holmgren & Heckert. I'll live with their decision. Actually, when was the last time we had REAL football people, & successful ones at that, bringing in a Head Coach who is on the same page they are. This is not an inherited HC, but one of their choice. I'll trust their judgment because they can back it up with solid track records.
I have to admit that I'm not a big Rob Ryan fan & I'm VERY interested in who will be the DC....Ryan, or ???
Mike
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Well.......I dunno. SHOCKED!
I'm praying MH knows what he is doing. I'm gonna hold judgement, but Lerner needs to watch this guy. Don't let the SB ring bling get in your eyes. He hit a homerun with Heckert and there will probably be much better talent at a few positions after the draft so I dunno. Maybe the staff will click well together. I certainly wish shurmur the best and give him my support, but much like others in the office he needs to earn his right to be here come Sundays. The theme through the organization seems to be win or GTFO and I would prefer not to do this again. So let's do this shit man!
xxxx THE STOOLERS AND THE RATBIRDS! GO BROWNS!
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I'm on the same page as Shep....As fans, even the most knowledgeable don't know SQUAT compared to Holmgren & Heckert. I'll live with their decision. Actually, when was the last time we had REAL football people, & successful ones at that, bringing in a Head Coach who is on the same page they are. This is not an inherited HC, but one of their choice. I'll trust their judgment because they can back it up with solid track records.
I have to admit that I'm not a big Rob Ryan fan & I'm VERY interested in who will be the DC....Ryan, or ???
Mike
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he gets 1 year from me...tops. if that. if this is the best holmgren can do, then ill be starting the "fire holmgren" threads by week 6.
pathetic.....
if you cant see this for what it is....a good-ol-boy hire, then keep investing your time and money in this sad excuse for a franchise. this is simply a yes-man coach now.....shurmur is now holmgrens bitch....do as he wants, do as he says....this is holmgrens way of coaching without the title of head coach. he only got this job cause his uncle was on holmgrens staff in green bay.
bet this guy gets 4 years just because hes holmgrens pick. welcome mediocrity everyone.....
I'm not going to pass judgment until I can see how this guy coaches. Alot of people who didn't have big names have made the jump to head coach and done great while people who have done great things have made the jump and done horrible. You guys wanted Mangini fired with no other name in mind other than Gruden. Well you don't get Gruden you get this guy so just deal with it.
I also don't know what you want in a coach. You hate Mangini because you think he's too quite but you hate Ryan because he is too loud. The deal is that you don't give a shit how much he talks or how angry he can get, all that matters is if he wins and we haven't seen if he can or not yet.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
You guys wanted Mangini fired with no other name in mind other than Gruden. Well you don't get Gruden you get this guy so just deal with it.not me bro.....i wanted mangini around to finish what he started. he wasnt the best coach, but he was better than any other options. perhaps youre confusing me with wrrebel.
holmgren had to go and rock the boat, so this is now his bed to die in. 8-8 or this guy must be fired...only way i accept this is to make the playoffs next year. thats how the naysayers approached mangini, thats how i approach this disaster. i was never sold on holmgren from the start, im not gonna blindly trust the guy cause he was good in a role that he's not performing from this team. to think hes a good vp cause he was a good coach is Retarded.
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Well, that's underwhelming.
WSS
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what's the list of guys who have taken 2 different teams to superbowls? that's what i thought. holmgren knows how to build a team from the ground up. i trust him. also, you're quarterback looks like a gay muppet who likes hands up his skirt.
Seriously. Whoever you responded to need to know that Holmgren is held in EXTREMELY high regard by anybody who knows anything about football. He's coached in THREE Super Bowls for two different teams.
Seriously. Whoever you responded to need to know that Holmgren is held in EXTREMELY high regard by anybody who knows anything about football. He's coached in THREE Super Bowls for two different teams.
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Can we stop pretending like the PRESIDENT and the COACH do the same thing? Seriously your drinking the koolaid way too fast for no real reason.
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Pat shurmurs projected staff
OC Himmler
DC Joseph Goebbels
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I don't get this at all. Just about everybody cheered when Holmgren and Heckert came on board. On the national scale, it was unanimously stamped as a huge "get" by the Cleveland Browns, a chance to follow the lead of guys who ran elite franchises and consistent winners, like the Packers and Eagles. They were "real football people."
Now these two guys we like so much, who just had a draft we love, have chosen a guy from their own family tree, a guy they know really, really well, a guy who was the QB coach on an very successful Eagles offense running Holmgren's WCO, a guy following a traditional career path (WCO QB coaches always end up head coaches)...
And we're pissed? Seriously? After three consecutive defensive coaches have failed to create any consistent success? We don't like the idea of our three head guys all being on the same page, all believing in the same systems, unlike last year?
I don't get it. I went into this wanting Holmgren to select the Holmgren WCO guy of his choice. Gruden, Shurmur, McCoy, Sherman, Mornhinweg... the one he believed in most. Gruden recused himself. From the others, Holmgren chose Shurmur.
Great. I'm in.
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Pat Shurmur?
He is the only candidate the Browns could woo.
Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh just high-fived each other.
Surf and Turf said:
Pat Shurmur?He is the only candidate the Browns could woo.
Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh just high-fived each other.
Yep.
Because when Tomlin was hired EVERYONE knew him. He was a household name and all of pittspuke rejoiced.
And when they introduced Harbaugh everyone marveled, "You mean Jim has a brother?"
You're a moron.
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