Is this what we can expect
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McCoy and Montana are of similar stature. Montana was 6'1" 200, McCoy is 6'1" 215. Both were 3rd round picks.
Similar arm strength and accuracy.
Of course, though, who knows about the Chutzpah! Colt has some. Not sure that anyone has ever had as much as Joe Cool.
And it would be nice if McCoy had his Jerry Rice. Maybe AJ Green or Julio Jones?
Somebody smart told Holmgren that McCoy would "make you forget about Montana." Who was that?
Somebody smart told Holmgren that McCoy would "make you forget about Montana." Who was that?
I hope it was the ghost of Bill Walsh
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cool. the can mangini fans are starting to turn on each other. if shurmur or holmy doesn't like mccoy what then longhorn, go root for your next team he or vince young goes to? oh that's right vince young isn't in the league anymore.
No, I will still be here with you mik, we're a team.
I was a Brown's fan long before McCoy came on the scene....I just didn't join message boards till recently because I was working 12-18 hours a day for the past 10 years or so and didn't have time. Now I do.
Oh and by the way, the Texas Longhorns are not in direct competition with the Browns. The NFL Texas teams are the Cowboys (which I can stand, but don't invest much time or energy with) or the Texans (who usually give me a headache when I watch them).
Yes, I do follow Texas players in the NFL.....whoopti-damn-dooo.
Finally, I am not a Holgren or Shurmur "fan". I am a Browns fan. Screw whoever is coaching or playing if they aren't getting our team to the next level. If Holmgren fails, I'll be cheering on his departure too and you will be welcome to throw my faith in him in my face.
Just don't tell me I am less of a Browns fan than you because I live geographically farther than you do. You have the benefit of local access/coverage, experiences, etc. to the team but I assure you I am a Browns fan. If that ain't good enough for you then kiss my Texas ass.
No, I will still be here with you mik, we're a team.
I was a Brown's fan long before McCoy came on the scene....I just didn't join message boards till recently because I was working 12-18 hours a day for the past 10 years or so and didn't have time. Now I do.
Oh and by the way, the Texas Longhorns are not in direct competition with the Browns. The NFL Texas teams are the Cowboys (which I can stand, but don't invest much time or energy with) or the Texans (who usually give me a headache when I watch them).
Yes, I do follow Texas players in the NFL.....whoopti-damn-dooo.
Finally, I am not a Holgren or Shurmur "fan". I am a Browns fan. Screw whoever is coaching or playing if they aren't getting our team to the next level. If Holmgren fails, I'll be cheering on his departure too and you will be welcome to throw my faith in him in my face.
Just don't tell me I am less of a Browns fan than you because I live geographically farther than you do. You have the benefit of local access/coverage, experiences, etc. to the team but I assure you I am a Browns fan. If that ain't good enough for you then kiss my Texas ass.
god bless ya texas. never said anything about geography. i haven't lived in ohio since '81. yeah i know the difference between college and nfl and what teams texas has in each respect. what about tcu? you'd root for any team texas wouldn't you? i mean i'm from ohio and even though cincy is our rival, if they were the last team standing in the afc you know i'd be cheering for them.
no. my big beef with you guys (can mangini) is this we gotta win right now thing. if we haven't had front office and managerial foundation for years how did we expect a guy to come in, when everything is in shambles and turn it around in 2 years when he has to pick through all the garbage the last guy left him? and pretty much think after 8 games that you're a lame-duck coach?
if holmgren was going to implement his system and bring in his guys, he should have fired mangini from the get go. IMO.
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McCoy and Montana are of similar stature. Montana was 6'1" 200, McCoy is 6'1" 215. Both were 3rd round picks.
Similar arm strength and accuracy.
Of course, though, who knows about the Chutzpah! Colt has some. Not sure that anyone has ever had as much as Joe Cool.
And it would be nice if McCoy had his Jerry Rice. Maybe AJ Green or Julio Jones?
Somebody smart told Holmgren that McCoy would "make you forget about Montana." Who was that?
Somebody smart told Holmgren that McCoy would "make you forget about Montana." Who was that?
Holmgren said it him self. Gil brandt was talking with him on NFL radio.
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No, I will still be here with you mik, we're a team.
I was a Brown's fan long before McCoy came on the scene....I just didn't join message boards till recently because I was working 12-18 hours a day for the past 10 years or so and didn't have time. Now I do.
Oh and by the way, the Texas Longhorns are not in direct competition with the Browns. The NFL Texas teams are the Cowboys (which I can stand, but don't invest much time or energy with) or the Texans (who usually give me a headache when I watch them).
Yes, I do follow Texas players in the NFL.....whoopti-damn-dooo.
Finally, I am not a Holgren or Shurmur "fan". I am a Browns fan. Screw whoever is coaching or playing if they aren't getting our team to the next level. If Holmgren fails, I'll be cheering on his departure too and you will be welcome to throw my faith in him in my face.
Just don't tell me I am less of a Browns fan than you because I live geographically farther than you do. You have the benefit of local access/coverage, experiences, etc. to the team but I assure you I am a Browns fan. If that ain't good enough for you then kiss my Texas ass.
god bless ya texas. never said anything about geography. i haven't lived in ohio since '81. yeah i know the difference between college and nfl and what teams texas has in each respect. what about tcu? you'd root for any team texas wouldn't you? i mean i'm from ohio and even though cincy is our rival, if they were the last team standing in the afc you know i'd be cheering for them.
no. my big beef with you guys (can mangini) is this we gotta win right now thing. if we haven't had front office and managerial foundation for years how did we expect a guy to come in, when everything is in shambles and turn it around in 2 years when he has to pick through all the garbage the last guy left him? and pretty much think after 8 games that you're a lame-duck coach?
if holmgren was going to implement his system and bring in his guys, he should have fired mangini from the get go. IMO.
god bless ya texas. never said anything about geography. i haven't lived in ohio since '81. yeah i know the difference between college and nfl and what teams texas has in each respect. what about tcu? you'd root for any team texas wouldn't you? i mean i'm from ohio and even though cincy is our rival, if they were the last team standing in the afc you know i'd be cheering for them.
no. my big beef with you guys (can mangini) is this we gotta win right now thing. if we haven't had front office and managerial foundation for years how did we expect a guy to come in, when everything is in shambles and turn it around in 2 years when he has to pick through all the garbage the last guy left him? and pretty much think after 8 games that you're a lame-duck coach?
if holmgren was going to implement his system and bring in his guys, he should have fired mangini from the get go. IMO.
I agree 100%. If Holmgram wanted to bring in his guy he should have done it last year. I feel like this year was playoffs or bust for Mangini and we had no where close to playoff talent. He was basically a sitting duck all year unless the stars aligned. The situation was unfair, but that is life in the NFL.
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god bless ya texas. never said anything about geography. i haven't lived in ohio since '81. yeah i know the difference between college and nfl and what teams texas has in each respect. what about tcu? you'd root for any team texas wouldn't you? i mean i'm from ohio and even though cincy is our rival, if they were the last team standing in the afc you know i'd be cheering for them.
no. my big beef with you guys (can mangini) is this we gotta win right now thing. if we haven't had front office and managerial foundation for years how did we expect a guy to come in, when everything is in shambles and turn it around in 2 years when he has to pick through all the garbage the last guy left him? and pretty much think after 8 games that you're a lame-duck coach?
if holmgren was going to implement his system and bring in his guys, he should have fired mangini from the get go. IMO.
I agree 100%. If Holmgram wanted to bring in his guy he should have done it last year. I feel like this year was playoffs or bust for Mangini and we had no where close to playoff talent. He was basically a sitting duck all year unless the stars aligned. The situation was unfair, but that is life in the NFL.
I agree 100%. If Holmgram wanted to bring in his guy he should have done it last year. I feel like this year was playoffs or bust for Mangini and we had no where close to playoff talent. He was basically a sitting duck all year unless the stars aligned. The situation was unfair, but that is life in the NFL.
I really believe it went down this way.
Holmgren had a lot to do when he walked in the door. He couldn't change everything at once. I think he had some faith/hope in Mangini.
He had a serious heart to heart with Mangini and must have felt that Mangini MIGHT SUCCEED. He gave Mangini the chance to be successful in 2010.
After the 2010 season, Holmgren did an honest assessment, he decided to fire Mangini. I don't think it was some inevitable plot from the day the Walrus walked in the door.
Once he fired Mangini, it is only human that he would seek out one of his guys, somone that had the same thoughts and philosophies as he did.
I believe it is that simple.
I'm a history buff. This situation reminds me of Lloyd Fredendall. Who Longhorn? WTH?
Go read up on him. He was a successful American general in WWII. He had several key victories and once critical victory known as Operation Toch during the very early stages of WWII. HIs men loved him. However, things changed in 1943 when he lost the Battle of Kasserine Pass to von Arnim and Rommel. He was immediately removed of that command by Eisenhower. However, he was given a new job, received a promotion, and went home a hero. Why was he replaced? Seldom does a general win every battle? He was replaced because (1) his troops were defeated (remember our team by the end of the year), (2) the American public was dismayed by the loss (like our fans), (3) the enemy (Stoolers and Ratbirds) still occupied the territory we anted, and (4) new blood/tactics might turn things around. Eisenhower didn't want Lloyd to fail, but he knew he had to win and fast.
Who replaced him? A guy named George S. Patton. Patton re-trained those same defeated troops, brought in new tactics, brought in replacements and went on to kick the Germans out of Africa.
Now I am hoping Shurmur turns out to be a Patton. Lord knows we are due. But, he may end up another Lloyd. If that's the case, we're hosed because Holmgren (our Eisenhower) must go too. That would really suck.
So, I hope Mangini's firing turns into an opportunity for him and his coordinators that also got fired.
But more, right now, I hope Shurmur is our Patton. The reality is we never know. But like those defeated troops of Lloyd, we have a new General coming to town and it is time to get back in line and do what we do best...............support the Browns. (I know, another "rah-rah" speech from a "Texas fan". Too bad, I'm the optimistic type.)
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Is this what we can expect now with Pat Shurmur and Colt McCoy running the WCO:
Is this what we can expect now with Pat Shurmur and Colt McCoy running the WCO:
the only noticeable difference is the long passing capabilities. J.M had it locked down and was accurate at long distance, Colt not so much.
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cool. the can mangini fans are starting to turn on each other. if shurmur or holmy doesn't like mccoy what then longhorn, go root for your next team he or vince young goes to? oh that's right vince young isn't in the league anymore.
No, I will still be here with you mik, we're a team.
I was a Brown's fan long before McCoy came on the scene....I just didn't join message boards till recently because I was working 12-18 hours a day for the past 10 years or so and didn't have time. Now I do.
Oh and by the way, the Texas Longhorns are not in direct competition with the Browns. The NFL Texas teams are the Cowboys (which I can stand, but don't invest much time or energy with) or the Texans (who usually give me a headache when I watch them).
Yes, I do follow Texas players in the NFL.....whoopti-damn-dooo.
Finally, I am not a Holgren or Shurmur "fan". I am a Browns fan. Screw whoever is coaching or playing if they aren't getting our team to the next level. If Holmgren fails, I'll be cheering on his departure too and you will be welcome to throw my faith in him in my face.
Just don't tell me I am less of a Browns fan than you because I live geographically farther than you do. You have the benefit of local access/coverage, experiences, etc. to the team but I assure you I am a Browns fan. If that ain't good enough for you then kiss my Texas ass.
No, I will still be here with you mik, we're a team.
I was a Brown's fan long before McCoy came on the scene....I just didn't join message boards till recently because I was working 12-18 hours a day for the past 10 years or so and didn't have time. Now I do.
Oh and by the way, the Texas Longhorns are not in direct competition with the Browns. The NFL Texas teams are the Cowboys (which I can stand, but don't invest much time or energy with) or the Texans (who usually give me a headache when I watch them).
Yes, I do follow Texas players in the NFL.....whoopti-damn-dooo.
Finally, I am not a Holgren or Shurmur "fan". I am a Browns fan. Screw whoever is coaching or playing if they aren't getting our team to the next level. If Holmgren fails, I'll be cheering on his departure too and you will be welcome to throw my faith in him in my face.
Just don't tell me I am less of a Browns fan than you because I live geographically farther than you do. You have the benefit of local access/coverage, experiences, etc. to the team but I assure you I am a Browns fan. If that ain't good enough for you then kiss my Texas ass.
Longhorn, I think everyone here accepts you as one of our own, you have steadily contributed to the Browns Board and have showed interest in the team--not just for Colt McCoy. I don't think about your location, as far as Im concerned, you're right here in Cleveland suffering with the rest of us!
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This is the stuff that makes our fan base look bad.
Don't get angry, but it is really stupid to start comparing McCoy to Montana.
I'm still amazed that we call Hillis "the Beast" and compare him to Jim Brown after 10 games.
(OK, Come on, Lets get it started, "fag", "homo" "you must not really be a Browns fan" our regular retorts to thoses who require results)
The Soldier said:
This is the stuff that makes our fan base look bad.
Don't get angry, but it is really stupid to start comparing McCoy to Montana.
No it isn't. It is just a matter of having fun with this situation and being hopefull.
Are you always this negative? Do you really have to take this so seriously?
Didn't you see that the thread was phrased as a question, meaning that we are simply suggesting the possibility.
I assure you that the coaching proponents of the WCO....that being Holmgren and Shurmur sure as HELL have it in the back of their minds that they would like to find the next Walsh/Montana combination.
If it has crossed their minds, why the hell should it not cross our?
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@junkyard-dawg said:
It's been exposed for years now.
So, is it your theory that the WCO has become an antiquated system? If so, please, by all means, justify your position.
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Formerly Sane said:
And don't forget the sure fire lock! Their last names both start with M..............Put McCoy in the hall of fame now!I forgot about that. Thanks. Also, they are both blond....and right handed. And both have heritage from a country beginning with the letter I: Montana=Italy. McCoy=Ireland. Montana's name translates to "Mountain", and McCoy's to "Son of Fire".
Not sure how those relate to each other but I just thought I would throw it in.
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Formerly Sane said:
If you want to know what you can truly expect, you can take a look back over the past 40+ years and expect much of the same. Losing season with an occasional winning season and the rare, rare occasion of a single playoff game. It's Cleveland and it's the Browns. Sorry but it's reality.Of course that same thing could have been said about the Pittsburgh Steelers circa 1971, or about the New England Patriots circa 2000, or about the San Francisco 49ers circa 1980, or about the New Orleans Saints circa 2008.
One really never knows, do they. Again, all wishful thinking.
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Formerly Sane said:
If you want to know what you can truly expect, you can take a look back over the past 40+ years and expect much of the same. Losing season with an occasional winning season and the rare, rare occasion of a single playoff game. It's Cleveland and it's the Browns. Sorry but it's reality.Of course that same thing could have been said about the Pittsburgh Steelers circa 1971, or about the New England Patriots circa 2000, or about the San Francisco 49ers circa 1980, or about the New Orleans Saints circa 2008.
One really never knows, do they. Again, all wishful thinking.
Of course that same thing could have been said about the Pittsburgh Steelers circa 1971, or about the New England Patriots circa 2000, or about the San Francisco 49ers circa 1980, or about the New Orleans Saints circa 2008.
One really never knows, do they. Again, all wishful thinking.
The players have to buy into the system, and execute the system. Pieces are in place, but who knows that this team will look like coming out of camp in early September. My question is this...does Jake D stay on to "mentor" Colt, or is there another veteran out there who would be a better fit?
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