Things Are Not Always as They Seem
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Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
Maybe it's just the initial shock of the hiring of Shurmur, after I was expecting Gruden, but I'm getting the same vibes about this whole Holmgren fiasco. I've never been sold on him being the "Saviour", and now I'm really becoming apathetic about the whole situation. Maybe that will change around draft time. I'm not ready to divorce the team, as you seem to be, but I've lost hope for any positive changes. So much for reviving the rivalry with Pissburg. Here we go again....I'm thinking another 3 -13, or maybe 3 - 15 with the 2 more games added. I really hope I'm wrong.....this reminds me of the Bellichik years. I felt the same way, and ultimately, I was wrong about him. Now...wouldn't you have rather kept Mangini for one more season? Maybe then Gruden could have been lured here.
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Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
I'm sure if you jumped ship now the Steelers or Ravens fanbase would welcome you with open arms.
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Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
I'm sure if you jumped ship now the Steelers or Ravens fanbase would welcome you with open arms.
I'm sure if you jumped ship now the Steelers or Ravens fanbase would welcome you with open arms.
all these so-called browns fans that called for another coach to come in (what is this six now since '99?), and now to see the sweat beading and dripping off their foreheads cuz they might be the fodder of the next 'canning of the coach' is amazing.
either they didn't get the guy they wanted or oops he might not get it done in two years, what am i gonna say then?
good luck shurmur. i love the browns and hope for the best, but when is this 2 year shit gonna end? the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!!
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I'm sure if you jumped ship now the Steelers or Ravens fanbase would welcome you with open arms.
all these so-called browns fans that called for another coach to come in (what is this six now since '99?), and now to see the sweat beading and dripping off their foreheads cuz they might be the fodder of the next 'canning of the coach' is amazing.
either they didn't get the guy they wanted or oops he might not get it done in two years, what am i gonna say then?
good luck shurmur. i love the browns and hope for the best, but when is this 2 year shit gonna end? the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!!
all these so-called browns fans that called for another coach to come in (what is this six now since '99?), and now to see the sweat beading and dripping off their foreheads cuz they might be the fodder of the next 'canning of the coach' is amazing.
either they didn't get the guy they wanted or oops he might not get it done in two years, what am i gonna say then?
good luck shurmur. i love the browns and hope for the best, but when is this 2 year shit gonna end? the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!!
Yeah, and add to that list teams that have miraculous turnarounds because they played a soft schedule (Kansas City) or had zero injuries (Arizona).
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Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
Its going to be interesting to see if shurmur can do anything with the team but im watching this one develop with treason on my mind, i grow tired of all the garbage coaches and organizational failure while other clubs get it right..
I have zero optimism about this rigged insider hire and even less about this clubs future under holmgren aka lamonte's servant...
But this fanbase will take it in the ass and love it anyways, the sooner lerner depletes the remaining fanbase and moves this team the better..
It is what it is a hollow expansion team the real browns are dead..
Gips, you have never been a fan in my opinion. I have rarely, if ever seen a positive post from you.
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gips sucks. i swear to god that he copies and pastes the same responses to the cleveland.com discussions.
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I'm sure if you jumped ship now the Steelers or Ravens fanbase would welcome you with open arms.
all these so-called browns fans that called for another coach to come in (what is this six now since '99?), and now to see the sweat beading and dripping off their foreheads cuz they might be the fodder of the next 'canning of the coach' is amazing.
either they didn't get the guy they wanted or oops he might not get it done in two years, what am i gonna say then?
good luck shurmur. i love the browns and hope for the best, but when is this 2 year shit gonna end? the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!!
the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!![/b]
You are completely and utterly full of shit, dude. We had Butch Davis here for how long? We had RAC here for how long? Yeah look it up - 4 years a piece. So AFTER we let them build their team and gave them 2 years to do it, they began to suck, the team sucked, and the future looked gloomy. Holmgren comes in, takes a look at the staff Mangini has here and decides that the Mangini way is not the way Holmgren builds a winner. Now forgive me but what track record does Mangini have to go on? And what track record does Holmgren have to go on?
Yeah that's right. Holmgren has turned around 2 franchises and taken both to the Super Bowl.
2 years my ass. We gave coaches time and they kept screwing it up. For once we decided to hire a guy who knows the NFL, and his decision was to move on after 12 months of observing Eric Mangini and how his staff prepares the team.
It should not take 4 years to determine if the team is going in the right direction. Holmgren was hired to make the determination BEFORE we got to the end of the road with Mangini.
But sure by all means, you're right. We don't give coaches 4 years around here.
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the difference between a winning franchise is stability in the coaching staff AFTER they've implemented their system, got rid of cancerous players and drafted their own for at least two years thereafter. which means these fans that want things turned around in two years are dreaming. and don't qualify the teams that have new coaches who have drafted top five every year for ten years or whose previous coach has left the new guy a team that just needs one position to win. that would be saying (if shurmur wins next year) THANKS MANGINI!!!![/b]
You are completely and utterly full of shit, dude. We had Butch Davis here for how long? We had RAC here for how long? Yeah look it up - 4 years a piece. So AFTER we let them build their team and gave them 2 years to do it, they began to suck, the team sucked, and the future looked gloomy. Holmgren comes in, takes a look at the staff Mangini has here and decides that the Mangini way is not the way Holmgren builds a winner. Now forgive me but what track record does Mangini have to go on? And what track record does Holmgren have to go on?
Yeah that's right. Holmgren has turned around 2 franchises and taken both to the Super Bowl.
2 years my ass. We gave coaches time and they kept screwing it up. For once we decided to hire a guy who knows the NFL, and his decision was to move on after 12 months of observing Eric Mangini and how his staff prepares the team.
It should not take 4 years to determine if the team is going in the right direction. Holmgren was hired to make the determination BEFORE we got to the end of the road with Mangini.
But sure by all means, you're right. We don't give coaches 4 years around here.
You are completely and utterly full of shit, dude. We had Butch Davis here for how long? We had RAC here for how long? Yeah look it up - 4 years a piece. So AFTER we let them build their team and gave them 2 years to do it, they began to suck, the team sucked, and the future looked gloomy. Holmgren comes in, takes a look at the staff Mangini has here and decides that the Mangini way is not the way Holmgren builds a winner. Now forgive me but what track record does Mangini have to go on? And what track record does Holmgren have to go on?
Yeah that's right. Holmgren has turned around 2 franchises and taken both to the Super Bowl.
2 years my ass. We gave coaches time and they kept screwing it up. For once we decided to hire a guy who knows the NFL, and his decision was to move on after 12 months of observing Eric Mangini and how his staff prepares the team.
It should not take 4 years to determine if the team is going in the right direction. Holmgren was hired to make the determination BEFORE we got to the end of the road with Mangini.
But sure by all means, you're right. We don't give coaches 4 years around here.
hey hoss: DING FRIES ARE DONE. now go get your shine box. you are my ultimate source of football knowledge. top of the list when this FAILS.
little joe is gettin xxxxed in the ass and the ponderosa is on fire. dope.
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