Fighting in the locker room
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Will the Cleveland TV/Radio/Print media report this or ignore/cover up the story as usual?
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Will the Cleveland TV/Radio/Print media report this or ignore/cover up the story as usual?
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@shepwrite said:
... and it's pretty clear that Crennel is getting fired and this is going to be Quinn's team.It's been in the newspaper and on TV for several weeks that Crennel is getting fired. That's not news. It's not Quinn's team. Whoever is named the Head Coach will annoint Quinn as the QB. That's a layup. A good coach will have him on a short leash- say 20 games. i think BQ will respond.
However, Quinn will not outlast the next HC.
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it's only natural for players, especially defensive ones, to dislike a QB with a golden boy image, especially when those players support a coach that's clashing with said savior.
quinn also didn't win himself any support when he went to mccain's rally. while politics and race have nothing to do with the game itself, he definitely hurt his chemistry with some of the team by being outspoken.
that's not meant to start a political flame war, it's meant to be an objective statement of fact. don't discuss the actual politics behind the situation, just the way they affected it.
also, everyone's the same color when a team is winning.
last, crennel's an awful evaluator of talent, a horrible gameday coach and sticks with guys who aren't getting it done for far too long. he's a coordinator, not a head coach, and getting rid of him and installing a new regime to focus the team on football will do a lot to cure the ills that we're seeing right now.
when the guys are focused on football, the petty shit goes out the window.
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http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index....ut_of_sigh.html
(From Livingston today)
Dorsey was at the controls of Hurricanes team that won 34 games in a row before Ohio State's front four overpowered his previously sturdy offensive line in a stunning Fiesta Bowl upset.
He was surrounded by talent everywhere. He could hand the ball off to Willis McGahee, who had hocus-pocus moves and great speed. He could throw glorified handoffs to elusive Kellen Winslow Jr., before the broken leg suffered with the Browns trying to recover the onside kick, before the ravages of the motorcycle injury here, before the surgeries and the staph infections. He had Andre Johnson and Roscoe Parrish as wide receivers. He could unleash inclement elements that were the figurative equal of the real ones on any given Sunday at the lakefront. He was the calm eye of a perfect storm.
Brady Quinn, the Browns' back-up quarterback, who was knocked out of the starting lineup soon after his overdue ascension, was the other side of the same coin.
Notre Dame has fallen off the map in college football since he left. He might have slid in the draft until 22nd in the first round in 2007, but the rest of his teammates did not go higher than the third round. While six other Irish players were taken overall, only two were offensive players. Neither was a skill position player.
The inference is that Quinn made the players around him better, and that the players around Dorsey made him something he is not. That, it appears, would be a quarterback in the NFL.
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Bruce Drennan reported tonight on STO that it was Quinn and Shaun Smith involved in the fight.
I hope Smith won since Quinn has a splint on his right hand to protect finger he had operated on.
If not Smith is a bigger girl than he showed on the field.
Bruce said Smith did not show up for his regular show on STO on Thursday and this may
have been the reason for to no-show.
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I want to know more about why they were fighting. What is Quinn even doing in the locker room right now? Go take care of your hand and shit and leave the sucking on the field to the pros.
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From Googleing around:
"Quinn took exception to the idiot's (Smith) commentary (from one of his STO spots) and they got into it. Just what we need: A scrub DL playing talking head instead of playing football. See you later Shawn...you suck anyway. Glad to see Quinn isn't going to take this crap from some non-performing piece of garbage. At least he is showing some character."
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it's only natural for players, especially defensive ones, to dislike a QB with a golden boy image, especially when those players support a coach that's clashing with said savior.
quinn also didn't win himself any support when he went to mccain's rally. while politics and race have nothing to do with the game itself, he definitely hurt his chemistry with some of the team by being outspoken.
that's not meant to start a political flame war, it's meant to be an objective statement of fact. don't discuss the actual politics behind the situation, just the way they affected it.
also, everyone's the same color when a team is winning.
last, crennel's an awful evaluator of talent, a horrible gameday coach and sticks with guys who aren't getting it done for far too long. he's a coordinator, not a head coach, and getting rid of him and installing a new regime to focus the team on football will do a lot to cure the ills that we're seeing right now.
when the guys are focused on football, the petty shit goes out the window.
quinn also didn't win himself any support when he went to mccain's rally. while politics and race have nothing to do with the game itself, he definitely hurt his chemistry with some of the team by being outspoken
What the F is that supposed to mean? So because Quinn is a Republican and supports the party, he is anti-black??? So it is ok for the blacks to stand up and be heard because the US had one running for president but it is not ok for a white to stand up for what he believes in??
Give me a F-ing break... if your moniker is a true reflection of what you are, it should not surprise me you came up with this BS of a response. I am down off my soapbox and wont respond any further, but I get f-ing sick and tired of the g-d race card BS.
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what i meant was that by supporting a candidate that the majority of the team likely opposed, quinn didn't endear himself to that part of the team. does it have something to do with race? yes. obama's a black man and likely had the support of the majority of the black players on the team.
i never said it was wrong of him to do so, just that it's likely that some of his teammates disagreed with his choice of candidate.
do you disagree?
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what i meant was that by supporting a candidate that the majority of the team likely opposed, quinn didn't endear himself to that part of the team. does it have something to do with race? yes. obama's a black man and likely had the support of the majority of the black players on the team.
i never said it was wrong of him to do so, just that it's likely that some of his teammates disagreed with his choice of candidate.
do you disagree?
what i meant was that by supporting a candidate that the majority of the team likely opposed, quinn didn't endear himself to that part of the team. does it have something to do with race? yes. obama's a black man and likely had the support of the majority of the black players on the team.
i never said it was wrong of him to do so, just that it's likely that some of his teammates disagreed with his choice of candidate.
do you disagree?
Gotcha. My bad... I thought you were turning it around..... so, I open mouth, enter foot on this one.
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what i meant was that by supporting a candidate that the majority of the team likely opposed, quinn didn't endear himself to that part of the team. does it have something to do with race? yes. obama's a black man and likely had the support of the majority of the black players on the team.
i never said it was wrong of him to do so, just that it's likely that some of his teammates disagreed with his choice of candidate.
do you disagree?
what i meant was that by supporting a candidate that the majority of the team likely opposed, quinn didn't endear himself to that part of the team. does it have something to do with race? yes. obama's a black man and likely had the support of the majority of the black players on the team.
i never said it was wrong of him to do so, just that it's likely that some of his teammates disagreed with his choice of candidate.
do you disagree?
Bull Shit.........................you aren't in the locker room and shouldn't try to assume who the members of this team supported or opposed.
More likely, it was Smith who is the biggest trash talker on the team running his big mouth. He's an asshole.
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I still don't buy it. I have plenty of friends who are black and know that I was a McCain supporter. We had our political arguments, but nothing ever came of it. Politics is just a side-show. It doesnt actually affect people's relationships or views of each other, aside from Radicals and Revolutionaries.
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Like it or not it all comes back to lerner for tolorating this crap so long at every level its absolutely rediculous rac should have been canned at the bye week and savage after the season it couldnt have been any worse with tucker or chud running the show...
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
@ ytown: i agree that smith's an asshole who needs to shut his mouth. all dude does is talk and sound like a moron. i wish quinn had hit him with the weight and knocked his teeth out.
you're right that i don't know what goes on in the locker room. do you think it's too much of a stretch to assume that there are, in a predominantly black sport, a fairly high percentage of obama supporters?
@ d'qwimbley: i think the difference is that those dudes are your friends. quinn and his teammates aren't necessarily friends, they're co-workers, people who might not get along to begin with.
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@ ytown: i agree that smith's an asshole who needs to shut his mouth. all dude does is talk and sound like a moron. i wish quinn had hit him with the weight and knocked his teeth out.
you're right that i don't know what goes on in the locker room. do you think it's too much of a stretch to assume that there are, in a predominantly black sport, a fairly high percentage of obama supporters?
@ d'qwimbley: i think the difference is that those dudes are your friends. quinn and his teammates aren't necessarily friends, they're co-workers, people who might not get along to begin with.
@ ytown: i agree that smith's an asshole who needs to shut his mouth. all dude does is talk and sound like a moron. i wish quinn had hit him with the weight and knocked his teeth out.
you're right that i don't know what goes on in the locker room. do you think it's too much of a stretch to assume that there are, in a predominantly black sport, a fairly high percentage of obama supporters?
@ d'qwimbley: i think the difference is that those dudes are your friends. quinn and his teammates aren't necessarily friends, they're co-workers, people who might not get along to begin with.
I agreee with Jewdago - something like 97% of blacks voters chose Obama. It's not a stretch that the football teams are the same. We know Willie McGinest supported Obama.
If this sparked it, it shows what kind of control RAC has (or Phil is bringing in bad character guys).
As far as lifting, Quinn could easily lift with a splint on the finger - he had the surgery several weeks ago, and many exercises wouldn't strain the finger; not to mention the trainers probably know how to work around these types of injuries (or at least they *should*).
Damn shame what this season has become.
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Like it or not it all comes back to lerner for tolorating this crap so long at every level its absolutely rediculous rac should have been canned at the bye week and savage after the season it couldnt have been any worse with tucker or chud running the show...
Like it or not it all comes back to lerner for tolorating this crap so long at every level its absolutely rediculous rac should have been canned at the bye week and savage after the season it couldnt have been any worse with tucker or chud running the show...
I agree....I said 6 games ago.....what possible good can come of keeping a lame duck HC in there??? Why do some of these owners go that route? So they don't ruin the season? Wtf???...it was ruined after the first 3 games. In my opinion, it has been a lot more embarrassing to keep Crennel, than to fire him early. I'm really starting to get worried.....is it possible that Lerner is thinking about letting Crennel stay??? Just shoot me now.
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According to Jim Donovan, Sean Smith and Quinn got into a verbal confrontation, and all of a sudden, Smith punched Quinn in the face.
A big defensive lineman, sucker punching a qb with a fixed broken finger in the face? We don't need "defensive" linemen like this on the Browns.
Just another giant dummy who couldn't care less about football, only the money. The Browns need to replace Sean Smith trashheaps like this with
players who love the game, and want to win.
Although, it IS near the end of football season, so Smith probably just came out of hibernation, and desperately needs food - about a ton of anything a day.
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