Building or rebuilding??
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I don't see it as rebuilding, though !
I see it as adapting. We have a nice core of players, with a reletive few "desperately must have" player positions that have to be filled.
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]New Offense
New Defense
New OC
New DC
New Head Coach
That be REBUILDING FELLA'S
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i don't want to start a bitch session so please just think about this:
so you scrap the HC and his assistants, install your own scheme/systems, draft players for this system and get rid of those who don't fit (i know we had to upgrade so that point is moot).
so basically you're starting over, correct? where in all of your posts does anyone say "we'll keep the old systems etc. from the last staff and build upon it"? or where in shurmer's or holmgren's statements does it say we liked what eric implemented and we'll build upon that etc?
exactly. thus this is another rebuild. period. quite frankly who cares about the terminology. call it what you want.
anyways two years from now we'll be having the same discussion. (and believe me i hope not. but impatience is a off-shoot of being a browns fan.....it seems).
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After two more years I see holmgren taking over if he is physically capable because he will see that the noose is getting very tight around his neck. How many coaches will they bring in because you need to win with talent, not mirrors.
I disagree that this team is close to winning. I think we need starters at the following positions
RB, someone as good as hillis or he won't last another season
RG
RT
WR1
WR2, might be that one of momass and robo could fill this role but robo will never be able to beat press coverage imho
DT1
DT2 (maybe Rubin but he really is a NT)
DE 1 (Roth or Gocong won't be that good)
DE 2
MLB
LLB
RLB
FS
CB (I think Wright can improve upon this season, lower priority)
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I think we can all (or almost all) agree that the Browns need to be improved. We now have credible football men running things, yet many are complaining of constant change. It's a NEW REGIME folks, & we will NOT improve without change. I don't like all the change (with lousy results) that we've seen in recent years, but the FO folks implementing THOSE changes is not even CLOSE to being on a par with what we have now. At least now we'll see a definite direction. It's sort of interesting watching how REAL Pros do it.
Mike
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After two more years I see holmgren taking over if he is physically capable because he will see that the noose is getting very tight around his neck. How many coaches will they bring in because you need to win with talent, not mirrors.
I disagree that this team is close to winning. I think we need starters at the following positions
RB, someone as good as hillis or he won't last another season
RG
RT
WR1
WR2, might be that one of momass and robo could fill this role but robo will never be able to beat press coverage imho
DT1
DT2 (maybe Rubin but he really is a NT)
DE 1 (Roth or Gocong won't be that good)
DE 2
MLB
LLB
RLB
FS
CB (I think Wright can improve upon this season, lower priority)
After two more years I see holmgren taking over if he is physically capable
well that kinda shoots that idea in the foot doesn't it? needs to cut down on the lard lad donuts.
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]New Offense
New Defense
New OC
New DC
New Head Coach
That be REBUILDING FELLA'S
I don't think the O is going to be that opposed to what we have done....or more on point, i don't think it is going to require a major upgrade in so far as players.
The only real player changes will be at receiver, and that is simply because ours aren't all that good.
I don't think a change in terminology is going to create a major bump in the road.
To me, a rebuild is with the players, and I don't think the changes you mention are going to impact that to any major degree. The changes were going to happen regardless.
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]New Offense
New Defense
New OC
New DC
New Head Coach
That be REBUILDING FELLA'S
I don't think the O is going to be that opposed to what we have done....or more on point, i don't think it is going to require a major upgrade in so far as players.
The only real player changes will be at receiver, and that is simply because ours aren't all that good.
I don't think a change in terminology is going to create a major bump in the road.
To me, a rebuild is with the players, and I don't think the changes you mention are going to impact that to any major degree. The changes were going to happen regardless.
I don't think the O is going to be that opposed to what we have done....or more on point, i don't think it is going to require a major upgrade in so far as players.
The only real player changes will be at receiver, and that is simply because ours aren't all that good.
I don't think a change in terminology is going to create a major bump in the road.
To me, a rebuild is with the players, and I don't think the changes you mention are going to impact that to any major degree. The changes were going to happen regardless.
WR, RT, RB + defense. We only have so many picks. Hopefully this year we will be more open to exploring free agency.
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I don't think the O is going to be that opposed to what we have done....or more on point, i don't think it is going to require a major upgrade in so far as players.
The only real player changes will be at receiver, and that is simply because ours aren't all that good.
I don't think a change in terminology is going to create a major bump in the road.
To me, a rebuild is with the players, and I don't think the changes you mention are going to impact that to any major degree. The changes were going to happen regardless.
WR, RT, RB + defense. We only have so many picks. Hopefully this year we will be more open to exploring free agency.
WR, RT, RB + defense. We only have so many picks. Hopefully this year we will be more open to exploring free agency.
Again, it is no different than a week ago.
I might argue RB, but I am assuming Hardesty comes back strong.
You want that change of pace from Hillis??
Think Noel Devine of WVA....we can get him at the top of the 3rd..
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WR, RT, RB + defense. We only have so many picks. Hopefully this year we will be more open to exploring free agency.
Again, it is no different than a week ago.
I might argue RB, but I am assuming Hardesty comes back strong.
You want that change of pace from Hillis??
Think Noel Devine of WVA....we can get him at the top of the 3rd..
Think Noel Devine of WVA....we can get him at the top of the 3rd..
Devine's kinda small...but so is Jones-Drew...and I'd take him all day
Devine has the speed to be an absolute game changer
I think the major difference in the coaching change is the GM is still in place...many of these guys are his pickups
Shouldn't be the total toilet flush we saw from Davis to Crennel and Crennel to Mangini
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I Second you Ghoolie we dont need other teams former has beens to be are stars we need to build through the draft like we did this year, im so tired of seeing Cleveland land a FA who used to be good and think he will still produce like he did back in 98...We need are own young talented group of players to become Elite
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I Second you Ghoolie we dont need other teams former has beens to be are stars we need to build through the draft like we did this year, im so tired of seeing Cleveland land a FA who used to be good and think he will still produce like he did back in 98...We need are own young talented group of players to become Elite
I'm not picking on you but I posted on this in another thread. By a quick estimate we need about 15 new starters but probably three less than last season. How long do you think it will take to get them? There is no choice but to fill your holes as best possible and use the waiver wire and draft to bring in younger talent. But someone has to play the 16 scheduled games. If you have experienced guys at your disposal who are better than young guys that suck then that is who you are forced to go with. Each draft there will be players who retire or leave for another team and that is how you improve your talent level, with a mix of free agents (hopefully young) and drafted players.
Mangini would have replaced some of the players on this team next year when another draft gave him better talent. But someone has to play. You don't go into a game with 30 people because some of your possible players are a year or so past their peak.
As an example if there were a player who could help the browns more than barton he would have been replaced.
I Second you Ghoolie we dont need other teams former has beens to be are stars we need to build through the draft like we did this year, im so tired of seeing Cleveland land a FA who used to be good and think he will still produce like he did back in 98...We need are own young talented group of players to become Elite
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