Best All Time QBs
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Here is one ranking of the Best QBs of all time:
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This can't be, football didn't exist before 1967.
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Zombo said:
I've got Graham #1 and Montana #2. I think when it is all said and done Manning will be #3, Brady #4 and I think I have Baugh ahead of Unitas at #5.Zombo
Agrees with Zombini!! My list is based on winning and intangables but heres My list:
1. Otto Graham: Defined the QB position in the NFL as far as Im concerned.
2. Joe Montana: May have been the best ever at reading defenses and using his weapons to take advantage of matchups.
3. Terry Bradshaw: His undenying will and fortitude to win games was incredible...I hated the SOB LOL!
4. Tom Brady: About as Montanesque as one could get and his accuracy is off the charts.
5. John Elway: This one hurt to acknowledge for obviouse reasons but the guy could flat out beat you and win.
6. Johnny Unitas: The term "Field General" applies here....He was My fave QB to watch as a little kid.
7. Kenny Stabler: The guy could read defenses..Nickel and Dime you to death and then kill you with the bomb.
8. Roger Staubach: Another in the line of being a true Field General. Could read defenses well and could scramble and beat you on the run.
9. Bart Starr: A guy who literally had no arm to speak of yet led his Packers to championships.
10. Peyton Manning: When it comes to timing, accuracy and efficiency...They dont come much better.
Honorable mentions go to Dan Marino,Brett Favre and Joe Namath...All 3 had wicked arms.
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An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB.
I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today.
He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along.
It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well.
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An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB.
I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today.
He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along.
It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well.
An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB.
I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today.
He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along.
It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well.
What was the league trying to accomplish with the line of scrimmage rule change? What advantage/disavantage would this place with a pocket QB? I'm stumped....I know, no big surprise... Help me Gippmeister!
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An "Old Timer" that perhaps should be given some due is Benny Friedman. He played for the Giants in the late 20s and 30s and he became essentially the prototype for the modern pocket QB.
I mean, they even changed the rule book for him. Before, a forward pass could not be thrown unless the QB was 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. When he came along they changed it to the line of scrimmage, where of course it still is today.
He was essentially the Brett Favre/Dan Marino of his day. Friedman held all the passing records until the likes of Luckman and Baugh came along.
It is just that he played so long ago and under such different circumstances that history doesn't remember him that well.
What was the league trying to accomplish with the line of scrimmage rule change? What advantage/disavantage would this place with a pocket QB? I'm stumped....I know, no big surprise... Help me Gippmeister!
What was the league trying to accomplish with the line of scrimmage rule change? What advantage/disavantage would this place with a pocket QB? I'm stumped....I know, no big surprise... Help me Gippmeister!
I guess they were just trying to open the game up more to the passing game by changing the permissible passing zone from 5 yards behind to the scrimmage line. I mean they truly have been evolving rules to allow for more passing for the past 80+ years.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
For my Money Terry Bradshaw is the best QB who ever lived.The only QB who ever won 4 SB rings, the only QB who WILL ever win 4 SB rings.
Let me deflate your arguments ahead of time. as great as LYNN SWANN<HARRIS, THE STEEL CURTAIN, THE GREAT OL and all the other players were?
When Bradshaw didn't play........... all that greatness couldn't win shit.
On game day........when you needed a Touchdown, Nobody, and I mean nobody rose to the playoffs like Terry Bradshaw.
Marino? Spent so much time crying and fixing his poofy hair he couldn't get his team to respect and play their hearts out for him.
Montana? BLow me. He had Eddie Debartolo paying players under th table to stack the team with great players. When he went to KC he looked like a sissy bitch.
Otto? Can't say a bad thing about him, OTHER THAN........... move over.
FOUR, count them.................. FOUR SB championships.
Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
For my Money Terry Bradshaw is the best QB who ever lived.The only QB who ever won 4 SB rings, the only QB who WILL ever win 4 SB rings.
Let me deflate your arguments ahead of time. as great as LYNN SWANN<HARRIS, THE STEEL CURTAIN, THE GREAT OL and all the other players were?
When Bradshaw didn't play........... all that greatness couldn't win shit.
On game day........when you needed a Touchdown, Nobody, and I mean nobody rose to the playoffs like Terry Bradshaw.
Marino? Spent so much time crying and fixing his poofy hair he couldn't get his team to respect and play their hearts out for him.
Montana? BLow me. He had Eddie Debartolo paying players under th table to stack the team with great players. When he went to KC he looked like a sissy bitch.
Otto? Can't say a bad thing about him, OTHER THAN........... move over.
FOUR, count them.................. FOUR SB championships.
Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out.
Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out.
I believe Montana had 3,,,young won the 4th
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Except, of course Ghoolie Montana did also win 4 SB Titles as QB of the 49ers. Bradshaw was not the only one with 4. Just thought I would point that out.
I believe Montana had 3,,,young won the 4th
I believe Montana had 3,,,young won the 4th
Montana has 4: 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989.
Young was the QB for the 49ers 1994 title.
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Super Bowl winning QBs:
Bart Starr 2
Joe Namath 1
Len Dawson 1
John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1
Roger Staubach 2
Bob Griese 2
Terry Bradshaw 4
Ken Stabler 1
Jim Plunkett 2
Joe Montana 4
Joe Theismann 1
Jim McMahon 1
Phil Simms 1
Mark Rypien 1
Jeff Hostetler 1
Doug Williams 1
Troy Aikman 3
Brett Favre 1
John Elway 2
Kurt Warner 1
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 3
Brad Johnson 1
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Payton Manning 1
Eli Manning 1
Drew Brees 1
In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe.
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Super Bowl winning QBs:
Bart Starr 2
Joe Namath 1
Len Dawson 1
John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1
Roger Staubach 2
Bob Griese 2
Terry Bradshaw 4
Ken Stabler 1
Jim Plunkett 2
Joe Montana 4
Joe Theismann 1
Jim McMahon 1
Phil Simms 1
Mark Rypien 1
Jeff Hostetler 1
Doug Williams 1
Troy Aikman 3
Brett Favre 1
John Elway 2
Kurt Warner 1
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 3
Brad Johnson 1
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Payton Manning 1
Eli Manning 1
Drew Brees 1
In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe.
Super Bowl winning QBs:
Bart Starr 2
Joe Namath 1
Len Dawson 1
John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1
Roger Staubach 2
Bob Griese 2
Terry Bradshaw 4
Ken Stabler 1
Jim Plunkett 2
Joe Montana 4
Joe Theismann 1
Jim McMahon 1
Phil Simms 1
Mark Rypien 1
Jeff Hostetler 1
Doug Williams 1
Troy Aikman 3
Brett Favre 1
John Elway 2
Kurt Warner 1
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 3
Brad Johnson 1
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Payton Manning 1
Eli Manning 1
Drew Brees 1
In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe.
Colt McCoy 5
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Super Bowl winning QBs:
Bart Starr 2
Joe Namath 1
Len Dawson 1
John Unitas/Morrall (duties shared in season and in game) 1
Roger Staubach 2
Bob Griese 2
Terry Bradshaw 4
Ken Stabler 1
Jim Plunkett 2
Joe Montana 4
Joe Theismann 1
Jim McMahon 1
Phil Simms 1
Mark Rypien 1
Jeff Hostetler 1
Doug Williams 1
Troy Aikman 3
Brett Favre 1
John Elway 2
Kurt Warner 1
Trent Dilfer 1
Tom Brady 3
Brad Johnson 1
Ben Roethlisberger 2
Payton Manning 1
Eli Manning 1
Drew Brees 1
In case you were counting that was 6 titles by guys named Joe.
Colt McCoy 5
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I kind of stick to "post WCO" years, since Walsh and Montana, because the challenges and judging criteria changed so dramatically. Quarterbacks are now expected to complete around 65 percent of their passes and throws AT LEAST twice as many TDs and INTs. Nobody came remotely close to those numbers before.
There are guys who have defined the league since then: Montana, Marino, Young, Aikman, Elway, Favre, Brady, and Manning. Just outside of that are Warner and Brees. I fully expect Aaron Rodgers to be included fairly soon, maybe two more years. After three years, he's the highest rated passer in both regular season and playoffs... but needs to do it longer and preferably win something. It pains me, but Roethlisberger has already won two Super Bowls and has to be included in that conversation.
From those finalists, I would pull out Young (shorter career) and Aikman (wasn't asked to do as much) and Favre (played his team out of as many playoffs as into them, no Super Bowl for the last 12, 13 years of his career). I'd keep Montana, Marino, Elway, Brady, and Manning on that list, at least in my humble opinion.
From there? Really a matter of taste. Some remove Marino for never winning the Super Bowl... but I wouldn't.
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I was never a Jim Kelly fan, as he pointed fingers at his teammates when things broke down. I'm still amazed he got into Canton so quickly knowing his tendency to shirk blame.
I was never a Jim Kelly fan, as he pointed fingers at his teammates when things broke down. I'm still amazed he got into Canton so quickly knowing his tendency to shirk blame.
Kelly was pretty damn good but never made Me think I need to go out and get him for My team....If hes in the HOF then Bernie should be in too.
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I was never a Jim Kelly fan, as he pointed fingers at his teammates when things broke down. I'm still amazed he got into Canton so quickly knowing his tendency to shirk blame.
Kelly was pretty damn good but never made Me think I need to go out and get him for My team....If hes in the HOF then Bernie should be in too.
Kelly was pretty damn good but never made Me think I need to go out and get him for My team....If hes in the HOF then Bernie should be in too.
I hear you...Kelly was probably the 5th best QB in the AFC at the time (Marino, Esiason, Kosar, Moon), but he's in the HOF. I think Bernie's career was derailed by the elbow injury in KC, so no HOF for him.
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Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15.
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Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15.
Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15.
you could make a fair case that Bradshaw wasnt a great reader of defenses...he even said and I qoute "I really didnt have great vision...we had 3 plays..run the the ball..throw to the back or tight end in the flat or throw deep down the sideline"...But his will and swagger was exceptional...I dont care what anyone says.
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+1 ... Some QB's define their team.... some QB's fit their team's personality and Bradshaw is a fine example of the latter... as are Stabler and McMahon...
My all-timer has to be Montana... rings or not he was so accurate.... so clutch.
One that I see as underrated was Warren Moon... numbers aside due to the Run & Shoot, he had a very strong arm and was accurrate as hell... few, if any, threw a better long ball.
And I think Manning or Brady have a great shot at #2 before all is said and done in their careers...
McCoy??? Way too early to tell, but I'd settle for him in the Browns top 5, which I see as:
1. Otto
2. Brian
3. Bernie
4. Dr. Frank
5. Bill Nelson
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Bradshaw is the single most overrated QB in the history of the NFL. He really wasn't very good. It amazes me that "experts" continuously rank him in the top 50 let alone the top 15.
you could make a fair case that Bradshaw wasnt a great reader of defenses...he even said and I qoute "I really didnt have great vision...we had 3 plays..run the the ball..throw to the back or tight end in the flat or throw deep down the sideline"...But his will and swagger was exceptional...I dont care what anyone says.
you could make a fair case that Bradshaw wasnt a great reader of defenses...he even said and I qoute "I really didnt have great vision...we had 3 plays..run the the ball..throw to the back or tight end in the flat or throw deep down the sideline"...But his will and swagger was exceptional...I dont care what anyone says.
If by his will and swagger you mean Franco Harris and his defense then I agree with you.
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