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Do You Really Want the WCO?

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  • With the short passing game, you need receivers who can make major YAC. The current receivers on the rosters don' fit that description at all, so there could be complete turnover there. Hillis catches the ball well, but I hope he still gets 15 or more carries a game. The WOC seems tailor-made for McCoy.

  • If it wins us games and we can actually move the ball through the air with consistency then I don't care what offense we run.

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  • I think the reason people are were pissed about short passes was because our offense wasn't based around them. Now that it is I don't see it being a problem.

    Also Hillis is going to be a major part of the passing game in the WCO like he was last year and he is still going to be used alot in the run game, only difference is instead of using Hillis to set up the pass, we will be using the pass to set up Hillis. Also Vickers is still going to be used alot as a run blocker and he is also going to be used alot more in the passing game, which he wasn't this year. I know when he game out in the draft he was refereed to as a great receiving FB and not really knowing for his blocking and I contribute his few dropped passes this year to the fact that he only went out on about 3 routes a game.

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  • It may actually work well against the Steeler's base defense. We'll still need a killer D for any sustained success though.

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  • Defense is gong to win us games in the division. I don't see it mattering as much what O we run against the Steelers, Ravens, or Bengals, but if we don't have the defense that these guys can produce then we are going to be shit out of luck.

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  • I believe we finished in the top 15 in scoring defense last year but thats about to get blown up..WCO does not involve much motion or trading or movement..Running it in this division could be risky in my opinion,,will see I guess

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  • I would say that the system is not as important as having the players to run it and the coaches to believe in it.

    Shurmur is a WCO guy and you aren't going to win that argument now. I think that with the tendency toward inclement weather, the bigger question will be "what will this WCO look like?". Is it going to be traditional or will it be more vertical? I think that if you look at the Eagles and Packers, there is success there although I tend to see more of a vertical element to them. Will it frustrate the hell out of you to see us abandon the run as the Rams did against Seattle in week 17? Will you be clamoring for a running game in December? I can tell you that Philly fans scream bloody murder when their team cannot run to save their ass.

  • P peterbell

    I believe we finished in the top 15 in scoring defense last year but thats about to get blown up..WCO does not involve much motion or trading or movement..Running it in this division could be risky in my opinion,,will see I guess

    @peterbell said:

    I believe we finished in the top 15 in scoring defense last year but thats about to get blown up..WCO does not involve much motion or trading or movement..Running it in this division could be risky in my opinion,,will see I guess

    I think it will work in this division. Both the Stoolers and Gayvens defenses are set up to stop each other. If we come in with something different we just might have a chance. Of course our defense can't be giving up a ton of points or it doesn't matter how good our offense is!

    I am hoping things happen here just like the Jets. Mangini laid the base down and got a disciplined team put together, and a new coach comes in who can take them to the next level.

  • Im all for it as long as it wins us games but really the key thing has to be the D i mean seriously we are suspect on that side of the ball we need to improve there before we contend for the divison

  • This past weekend we watched Chicago vs Seattle--Chicago with the typical NFL offense and Seattle with the WCO..

    In that type of weather the ball is harder to catch, however, the receiver has an advantage in the yards after the catch...

    The WCO in Cleveland in December and January (yes I said January cause thats when the playoff games are played) could be a bit difficult.. The wind could be compared with the wind at Candlestick but the cold numbing weather here in Cleveland is a beast of its own...

    I'm not set on the WCO but none of us has a choice--this is what we are becoming and I guess we have to hope for the best...

    Also, the more you dink and dunk the chances for mistakes rise... When you pass the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad (wasn't that Woody's mantra)...

    Just throwing it out there.....................

    Peace

    T.Dawg

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  • Dink and dunk passes are for quarterbacks who only want to earn a paycheck.

    And under the same breath we can mention Jake.

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  • D daddybull1

    This past weekend we watched Chicago vs Seattle--Chicago with the typical NFL offense and Seattle with the WCO..

    In that type of weather the ball is harder to catch, however, the receiver has an advantage in the yards after the catch...

    The WCO in Cleveland in December and January (yes I said January cause thats when the playoff games are played) could be a bit difficult.. The wind could be compared with the wind at Candlestick but the cold numbing weather here in Cleveland is a beast of its own...

    I'm not set on the WCO but none of us has a choice--this is what we are becoming and I guess we have to hope for the best...

    Also, the more you dink and dunk the chances for mistakes rise... When you pass the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad (wasn't that Woody's mantra)...

    Just throwing it out there.....................

    Peace

    T.Dawg

    @daddybull1 said:

    This past weekend we watched Chicago vs Seattle--Chicago with the typical NFL offense and Seattle with the WCO..

    In that type of weather the ball is harder to catch, however, the receiver has an advantage in the yards after the catch...

    The WCO in Cleveland in December and January (yes I said January cause thats when the playoff games are played) could be a bit difficult.. The wind could be compared with the wind at Candlestick but the cold numbing weather here in Cleveland is a beast of its own...

    I'm not set on the WCO but none of us has a choice--this is what we are becoming and I guess we have to hope for the best...

    Also, the more you dink and dunk the chances for mistakes rise... When you pass the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad (wasn't that Woody's mantra)...

    Just throwing it out there.....................

    Peace

    T.Dawg

    We do have a element some west coast teams don't....a bruising tailback who can hammer it out if need be.

    That may be the element the north coast needs.

    As long as we move chains and put up points, I don't care if we ever complete a ball thrown over 5 yards.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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    @daddybull1 said:

    This past weekend we watched Chicago vs Seattle--Chicago with the typical NFL offense and Seattle with the WCO..

    In that type of weather the ball is harder to catch, however, the receiver has an advantage in the yards after the catch...

    The WCO in Cleveland in December and January (yes I said January cause thats when the playoff games are played) could be a bit difficult.. The wind could be compared with the wind at Candlestick but the cold numbing weather here in Cleveland is a beast of its own...

    I'm not set on the WCO but none of us has a choice--this is what we are becoming and I guess we have to hope for the best...

    Also, the more you dink and dunk the chances for mistakes rise... When you pass the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad (wasn't that Woody's mantra)...

    Just throwing it out there.....................

    Peace

    T.Dawg

    We do have a element some west coast teams don't....a bruising tailback who can hammer it out if need be.

    That may be the element the north coast needs.

    As long as we move chains and put up points, I don't care if we ever complete a ball thrown over 5 yards.

    @ballpeen said:

    We do have a element some west coast teams don't....a bruising tailback who can hammer it out if need be.

    That may be the element the north coast needs.

    As long as we move chains and put up points, I don't care if we ever complete a ball thrown over 5 yards.

    Some of the early WCOs had some bruising tailbacks. Roger Craig comes specifically to mind. And Chuck Muncie in the Gillman/Coryell strain of the WCO.

    I recall that the Packers under Holmgren/Favre had a pretty tough runner as well....Edgar Bennett?

    But, absolutely the NORTH COAST offense (hell, any offense) can use a tailback like Hillis.

  • I see it working well aganist the defenses that the Steelers and the Ravens have (of course this just might be me be hopeful). The WCO will do one of two things, it will either make the DBs play up and press the WRs or it will spread the LBs and put them in a zone. Pressing DBs can be defeated by physical WRs who can get by them or block them to allow a RB to get around the edge. If the LBs are spread into a zone then you just have to control the line and Hillis can Juggernaut his way through.

    The WCO will also help neutralize two of the safeties ever to play in the NFL, Polamlu and Reed, who both happen to be in our division. By not going too vertical aganist them they can't make the plays they always seem to make.

    The WCO is where Cribbs can potentially thrive, his quickness and vision would be paramount in its success. I've seen some video of Hardesty but not really sure how fast he is but if he can be the lightning to Hillis' thunder then he can be used to get around the edge.

    I'm feeling good about the WCO.

    Never walk away from home ahead of your axe and sword. You can't feel a battle in your bones or forsee a fight. -The Havamal (Book of Viking Wisdom)
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