Dick Jauron hired
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i actually like jauron and even though his HC doesn't show it, buffalo was a good qb away from being at least respectable under him. he's seems pretty intense, but we just got rid of intense so what's the difference.
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Two year plans seldom work when you have a rookie head coach and rookie coordinators...
Where would the Steelers be today if Rooney kicked Noll to the curb after 2 years of horrible football.... The smartest thing that Tomlin did when he was hired by the Steelers was to keep the coaching staff in place and continue with the system....
I'm as frustrated as anyone on this board, maybe more since I live in western Pa. but every year I'm optimistic only to become frustrated again by mid season....
I hope this regime is allowed to have a 5 year plan, stick with a system and draft fast, atheletic players to compete on the field.. I hate losing but would rather lose with young players learning the ropes rather than with over the hill free agents making a boat load of benjamins while representing my team....
We went through the San Francisco, Miami, New England and Jets pipeline and now will see former eagles players wearing our colors but to me, success will only be realized through the draft... Over the past 10 years how many of our #1 picks are still on the roster...
I'm more fortunate than most on this board, in that, I lived through the 50's and 60's domination by the Browns... As soon as one of these super bowl teams play for the championship 9 times in 10 years (yes our Brownies did that) then I'll give them some props...
Put a system in place, stick with it and get players that can play...................
Peace
T.Dawg
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Two year plans seldom work when you have a rookie head coach and rookie coordinators...
Where would the Steelers be today if Rooney kicked Noll to the curb after 2 years of horrible football.... The smartest thing that Tomlin did when he was hired by the Steelers was to keep the coaching staff in place and continue with the system....
I'm as frustrated as anyone on this board, maybe more since I live in western Pa. but every year I'm optimistic only to become frustrated again by mid season....
I hope this regime is allowed to have a 5 year plan, stick with a system and draft fast, atheletic players to compete on the field.. I hate losing but would rather lose with young players learning the ropes rather than with over the hill free agents making a boat load of benjamins while representing my team....
We went through the San Francisco, Miami, New England and Jets pipeline and now will see former eagles players wearing our colors but to me, success will only be realized through the draft... Over the past 10 years how many of our #1 picks are still on the roster...
I'm more fortunate than most on this board, in that, I lived through the 50's and 60's domination by the Browns... As soon as one of these super bowl teams play for the championship 9 times in 10 years (yes our Brownies did that) then I'll give them some props...
Put a system in place, stick with it and get players that can play...................
Peace
T.Dawg
Put a system in place, stick with it and get players that can play...................
Hear, hear.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
It's a shit hire, no doubt about it. We're going to flop over to the outdated 4-3 with a DC that sucks at running the 4-3, great.That pretty much sums it up.
haven't talked to a browns fan yet in my area that thinks this is a good hire.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Little difference between Davis and Dickless, both of their defenses are historically a joke.Dickless Jauron isn't even a pimple on Wannestedts ass when it comes to defense. Wannestedt: Top 15 defenses 4 years out of 5 as DC, top 10 three out of those five and #1 once. Dickless: Bottomhalf of the NFL can't get it done defense all but one year, NEVER breaking top 10 at any time.
It's a shit hire, no doubt about it. We're going to flop over to the outdated 4-3 with a DC that sucks at running the 4-3, great.
You're a closet Steeler fan aren't ya? Take your negativity elsewhere.
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
Bitching about people bitching.......classic!
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
Bitching about people bitching.......classic!
Bitching about people bitching.......classic!
some ones gotta do it
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
I think we had a coach who was going to build a winner but our czar wouldn't have received any of the credit, he would have been forced to sit and watch it. So I will stop bitching when I see some serious production. It would have been faster to keep the coaching staff and add players than to blow it up and rebuild according to a new offense and defense.
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
so which fans are you bitching about? the ones that said give mangini a chance to implement his system and bring in players via draft and FA to fulfill his plans and are pissed because the new president of the browns just tossed all the foundation he had laid out the window?
or about the fans who got their way and have an undying belief that this fat big moustached blow-hard who after hiring his pals will turn this around in as much or little time than the previous guy?
don't come in here and tell people how to feel. you say relax let's give it a chance, well did you give the other guy a chance with only two years? i bet not. so go F yourself if you don't think some of us are pissed and won' continue to be so. so now what do you want to give holmgren more time to prove himself or does he have the time limit you gave mangini?
riddle me that batman.
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one trend I am noticing...It must be an off shoot from the rough time we have had since coming back into the league, some Browns fans have become the biggest bitchers. Nothing is ever right,nothing can ever work, no one is ever good enough and on and on. Some of you folks need to run,not walk to your nearest mental health facility and get a scrip for something. Some of you need to give the new regime a shot and stop crying that the sky is falling at every hire, if your crystal balls are so fuc*king good why aren't you in the NFL leading this franchise? Hell why aren't you in the Bahamas living the high life on your Ohio lottery winnings? I'll tell ya why,cause neither you,nor you,nor I can tell the fuc*king future. Relax and lets see how the draft goes and then camp,and finally the season.
so which fans are you bitching about? the ones that said give mangini a chance to implement his system and bring in players via draft and FA to fulfill his plans and are pissed because the new president of the browns just tossed all the foundation he had laid out the window?
or about the fans who got their way and have an undying belief that this fat big moustached blow-hard who after hiring his pals will turn this around in as much or little time than the previous guy?
don't come in here and tell people how to feel. you say relax let's give it a chance, well did you give the other guy a chance with only two years? i bet not. so go F yourself if you don't think some of us are pissed and won' continue to be so. so now what do you want to give holmgren more time to prove himself or does he have the time limit you gave mangini?
riddle me that batman.
so which fans are you bitching about? the ones that said give mangini a chance to implement his system and bring in players via draft and FA to fulfill his plans and are pissed because the new president of the browns just tossed all the foundation he had laid out the window?
or about the fans who got their way and have an undying belief that this fat big moustached blow-hard who after hiring his pals will turn this around in as much or little time than the previous guy?
don't come in here and tell people how to feel. you say relax let's give it a chance, well did you give the other guy a chance with only two years? i bet not. so go F yourself if you don't think some of us are pissed and won' continue to be so. so now what do you want to give holmgren more time to prove himself or does he have the time limit you gave mangini?
riddle me that batman.
Someone needs a hug, don't they?
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@junkyard-dawg said:
i'm a stooler fan? xxxx yourself and your homer bullshit kid.Kid? Kid? Well, thanks!
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@junkyard-dawg said:
So because I won't suck Holmgrens noodle like some faggot and won't delude myself into believing a twice failed DC finally figured out how to run a defense i'm a stooler fan? xxxx yourself and your homer bullshit kid.You couldn't say anything positive about the last coaching staff and you couldn't say anything positive about anyone Holmgren was looking to bring in, let alone did bring in. It is obvious that your entire goal here is to just be as negative as possible. I find it hard that you can't find something better with your time than to be some internet troll and I would agree that you have to be some kind of Closet fan for some other team besides to Browns with how you have posted since BEFORE Mangini was even fired.
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Jauron was pretty good when he was the defensive coordinator for Jacksonville from 95-98
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Really? I haven't repeatedly stated we were on the right track? I haven't stated that if you brought in a different OC and different OC it would greatly benefit Eric Mangini, that he wasn't the problem, that it was his assistants? Wait... You're still pissy I wouldn't suck The Dudes dick and make believe he was as great as your clueless mind believed? That's what this is, isn't it? Listen here chump...Whatever. I'll say this you Holmgren fanboys are pretty xxxxing sad questioning anyones fanhood who doesn't blindly follow whatever this team is selling. Let me explain something to you junior, i've seen legit defense in Cleveland before. I've seen offenses that work in Cleveland before. I've witnessed Coach Sam get fired by Modell despite being a good Coach, I witnessed Modell run off Marty who had us on the cusp, I sat there and said give Carson a chance only to be fired after a season and a half. I watched Bill Parcells coffee fetcher tear down this team and ship off the good players as Modell told us it would take time to get "the plan" working only to move the damn team a few years later. I sat and watched as the guy Cleveland as a whole told to GTFO racked up Superbowls with his cameraman while we hired nd fired Palmer and Davis. I've sat for a decade now while the new ownership continues the Modell mold, hire guy, after a few years fire guy, rinse repeat.
I'm not a troll for being sick of it, i'm just tired of the same crap being done over and over and over and over. I've heard this song and dance before. Go back through history. Go back to 1962. The greatest HC in the history of the game ran out of town by Modell who gives us Blanton Collier, promoted as the real brains behind sports greatest dynasty. Collier does little before having to retire for medical reasons. Skorich was supposed to carry on the tradition but we got progressively worse. Gregg was the man to turn the ship around.... Only to be fired after two years, go to Cincy and take them to the Superbowl. Rutigliano, Marty, Carson, Belicheat in then out. Policy was the real mind behind the 49ers and would bring us a WCO dynasty alongside WCO guru Dwight Clark(sound familiar). Palmer was the young unknown offensive guru to get the job done(sound familiar?) while meshing the WCO and the Parcells system(sound familiar?). Butchy was the true brains behind the Jimmy Johnson dynasty(sound familiar?) and via full personnel control would take us to the promised land. Crennel was the true brains behind the Belichick dynasty(Recurring them here) and would bring us to contention.
Now after we once again attempted to mesh the WCO with the Parcells method it's Holmgren pulling the Butch Davis, with the real brains behind the Eagles success(Tom Heckert) working the draft while rookie HC Pat Shurmur coaches the whole team, does the offensive gameplanning and playcalling and leaves the defense to a twice failed DC. It's the same bullshit as it ever was, only the names have changed and i've seen it all before. The only minor difference now is i'm supposed to buy into running an offense that hasn't won a championship in over a decade will run all over the AFCN shooting it out with Pittsburghs defense twice per season and Baltimores defense twice per season. Supposed to buy a bottom half of the NFL defense featuring four small, 260lb Dlinemen trying to rush against 5 large, 350lb olinemen is going to do more than give Pig Ben and Unibrow more than simply all day to throw the ball(Hint: Jauron prefers undersized fast defensive linemen and doesn't rush linebackers).
See junior, the Colts have been trying that for years now with one of the greatest QB's in history at the helm. They have one Superbowl win a lucky bounce on defense got them into. Last I checked we don't have a Peyton Manning on our team and Peyton Mannings don't grow on trees. Compound that with the fact despite having a Manning as well s two elite #1 WR's in Harrison and Wayne the whole "just shoot it out with them" philosophy still wasn't effectively working come playoff time against elite defense.
It has nothing to do with my fanship. You can question it all you want, no matter how lame that argument is. You can stomp your feet and declare me not a true fan for refusing to swallow what the front office is selling. Have at it. The fact is if I weren't a fan and didn't care about this team I wouldn't be pissed off at the direction it is going, I would be celebrating and trying to get everyones hopes up only to watch them crash and burn. So keep shaking your rainbow colored pom poms and continue being pissy because I wouldn't suck off The Dude. That's your problem, not mine.
You claim that you want to give coaches a chance but before these guys can even start coaching you want to send them down the river. Some the the greatest coaches in NFL came into their teams as rookie head coaches so saying a guy should be shit canned and turning on him before he even has the chance to do something is xxxxing bullshit. I didn't want Mangini let go either, xxxx the only one I wanted gone was Daboll. I think a coach should be given at least 3 to 4 years to show what he can do before he is shipped off and ya it's a shitty situation but I'm not going to say this new guy needs to go now just because I think Mangini should have stayed. I also don't blinding follow what Holmgren is doing, I am just treating him like any other person that comes to the Browns and I am giving him time to show me if he knows what he is doing. He has been here less than Mangini was and yet even though you say people need to show if they are good enough or not you want him out of here even though his only bad move so far was bringing in Delhomme. We can't talk about if his decision to fire Mangini was a bad move yet because we don't know what this new coaching staff is going to be like.
So you know what I'm sorry you feel butt xxxxed from watching the team that past few xxxxing decades but deal with it and at least wait and see what these new coaches can do before you start calling for their heads because in doing so you are no xxxxing better than the same people you are bitching about, you ass hole.
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When did we have time?
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe somewhere in the SIX YEARS since we've had the system.
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe somewhere in the SIX YEARS since we've had the system.
The 3-4 is a linebacker driven system, we never really invested in drafting linebackers for that system, by passing players like Clay Mathews. I would have preferred we stay with the 3-4, but I don't care what we run as long as it works.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
1995: 21st ovr, 17th in passing, 24th in rushing1996: 15th ovr, 16th in passing, 19th in rushing
1997: 23rd ovr, 24th in passing, 13th in rushing
1998: 25th ovr, 23rd in passing, 22nd in rushing
Yeah, that's not quite "pretty good." It's actually "pretty bad" and about the same as what we just sent waddling to Dallas.
Just to add that is out of 30 teams. Back when jacksonville was in the central.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
So because I won't suck Holmgrens noodle like some faggot and won't delude myself into believing a twice failed DC finally figured out how to run a defense i'm a stooler fan? xxxx yourself and your homer bullshit kid.Jauron wasn't a twice failed DC. He was a twice failed head coach. There is a huge difference.
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