Green Bay closing in on Cleveland
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In the course of the history of Professional Football in this country, the following city/regions have won the most professional football titles:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton...13
Green Bay...12
Chicago...11
New York/NJ...8
San Fran/Oak./S.J....7
Dallas...6
Pittsburgh...6
Wash. D.C...5
Philadelphia...4
Detroit...4
Boston/Providence....4
Baltimore...4
Buffalo...2
Denver...2
LA/Anaheim...2
Miami...2
Houston...2
Indianapolis...1
Kansas City...1
New Orleans...1
St. Louis...1
San Diego...1
Tampa/St. Pete...1
So, as you can see, if the Packers win the NFL title, that city will tie for the most football titles in the country.
In the course of the history of Professional Football in this country, the following city/regions have won the most professional football titles:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton...13
Green Bay...12
Chicago...11
New York/NJ...8
San Fran/Oak./S.J....7
Dallas...6
Pittsburgh...6
Wash. D.C...5
Philadelphia...4
Detroit...4
Boston/Providence....4
Baltimore...4
Buffalo...2
Denver...2
LA/Anaheim...2
Miami...2
Houston...2
Indianapolis...1
Kansas City...1
New Orleans...1
St. Louis...1
San Diego...1
Tampa/St. Pete...1
So, as you can see, if the Packers win the NFL title, that city will tie for the most football titles in the country.
Dude,
Most (if not all) the people on this board don't know anything about those titles??
other then looking up ancient history...
Very weak comparison!!
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Here is the breakdown for basketball. Includes NBA and ABA:
Boston...17
LA/Anaheim...11
Chicago...6
Minneapolis...5
San Antonio....4
Philadelphia...4
New York/NJ...4
Detroit...3
Indianapolis...3
San Fran/Oak/SJ...2
Houston....2
Baltimore...1
Louisville...1
Miami...1
Milwaukee....1
Pittsburgh...1
Portland....1
Rochester...1
St. Louis....1
Seattle....1
Syracuse....1
Salt Lake City....1
Wash. D.C....1
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In the course of the history of Professional Football in this country, the following city/regions have won the most professional football titles:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton...13
Green Bay...12
Chicago...11
New York/NJ...8
San Fran/Oak./S.J....7
Dallas...6
Pittsburgh...6
Wash. D.C...5
Philadelphia...4
Detroit...4
Boston/Providence....4
Baltimore...4
Buffalo...2
Denver...2
LA/Anaheim...2
Miami...2
Houston...2
Indianapolis...1
Kansas City...1
New Orleans...1
St. Louis...1
San Diego...1
Tampa/St. Pete...1
So, as you can see, if the Packers win the NFL title, that city will tie for the most football titles in the country.
Dude,
Most (if not all) the people on this board don't know anything about those titles??
other then looking up ancient history...
Very weak comparison!!
Dude,
Most (if not all) the people on this board don't know anything about those titles??
other then looking up ancient history...
Very weak comparison!!
Well, now you have learned something and you do know, don't you? You will no longer have to go through life ignorant of these facts any more. I am glad to have added to your education.
That is sort of the point of this exercise.
Though, I am not sure what you mean by "comparison"?
Nothing has been compared, simply counted.
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Hockey titles per town/region. These include NHL titles, WHL titles, and pre NHL Stanley Cup winners going back to 1892:
Montreal....40
Toronto...14
Detroit...11
NY/NJ....11
Ottawa...10
Edmonton...5
Boston...5
Chicago...4
Winnipeg...3
Pittsburgh...3
Quebec...2
Denver...2
Philadelphia...2
Calgary...1
Dallas...1
Kenora...1
LA/Ana....1
Seattle....1
Tampa Bay...1
Vancouver...1
Victoria...1
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One conclusion that may be drawn from these lists: That football has been the most "democratic" of the 4 sports.
Baseball has obviously been dominated by New York and the Yankees and their money. For a long time hockey had been dominated by Montreal. I am not sure if "big money" was a factor then. It is less so now. Basketball has, except for a brief interim here or there been dominated by two teams. The Lakers and Celtics.
Football on the other had has been much more spread around and even in the cities that have earned titles.
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Here is the breakdown for basketball. Includes NBA and ABA:
Boston...17
LA/Anaheim...11
Chicago...6
Minneapolis...5
San Antonio....4
Philadelphia...4
New York/NJ...4
Detroit...3
Indianapolis...3
San Fran/Oak/SJ...2
Houston....2
Baltimore...1
Louisville...1
Miami...1
Milwaukee....1
Pittsburgh...1
Portland....1
Rochester...1
St. Louis....1
Seattle....1
Syracuse....1
Salt Lake City....1
Wash. D.C....1
Here is the breakdown for basketball. Includes NBA and ABA:
Boston...17
LA/Anaheim...11
Chicago...6
Minneapolis...5
San Antonio....4
Philadelphia...4
New York...4
Detroit...3
Indianapolis...3
San Fran/Oak/SJ...2
Houston....2
Baltimore...1
Louisville...1
Miami...1
Milwaukee....1
Pittsburgh...1
Portland....1
Rochester...1
St. Louis....1
Seattle....1
Syracuse....1
Salt Lake City....1
Wash. D.C....1
Note on this one: the 11 LA and the 5 Minneapolis titles were all won by the Laker franchise.
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just basically any paid football game? Are you counting Hullihan and Big Chuck vs the Browns charity games?
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just basically any paid football game? Are you counting Hullihan and Big Chuck vs the Browns charity games?
The Soldier said:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton (LOL)How many have you been able to watch?
Generation Z-er here.
I wasn't around for WWII but I think it happened, right?
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The Soldier said:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton (LOL)How many have you been able to watch?
Generation Z-er here.
I wasn't around for WWII but I think it happened, right?
Generation Z-er here.
I wasn't around for WWII but I think it happened, right?
Yea it happened. But I wouldn't brag about Germany success.
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Um, sorry, but you can't claim the wholely separate cities of Canton and Akron as part of Cleveland to trump up your football victories. Pittsburgh would have a much right to claim Canton as Cleveland. The Cleveland Browns have 8 football championship titles of which 4 are not true titles (as you split the honor with another football league in 1946, 1947, 1948 and 1964). Those championships are the equivalent of winning the AFC Conference championship game and not a Super Bowl. Also you are forgetting that the Homestead Athletic Club (which shares a border with the geographical limits of the City of Pittsburgh) won the football Championships in 1900 and 1901. The Pittsburgh Stars won the football championship in 1902. I will give you the 1924 Cleveland Bulldogs and the 1945 Cleveland Rams championships as well. So in terms championships Cleveland has 10 championships and Pittsburgh has 9, with a 10th one pending.
1900 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1901 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1902 Pittsburgh Stars (uncontested)
1974 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB09
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB10
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB13
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB14
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB40
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB43
1924 Cleveland Bulldogs (unconstested)
1945 Cleveland Rams (uncontested)
1946 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Bears)
1947 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Cardinals)
1948 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles)
1949 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles) in 1950 the Browns and Eagles matched up which ultimately resulted in the Browns being the uncontested winners for the 1949 season.
1950 Cleveland Browns
1954 Cleveland Browns
1955 Cleveland Browns
1964 NFL: Cleveland Browns (AFL: Buffalo Bills)
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just basically any paid football game? Are you counting Hullihan and Big Chuck vs the Browns charity games?
The Soldier said:
just basically any paid football game? Are you counting Hullihan and Big Chuck vs the Browns charity games?Games played by the NFL/AFL/AAFC. Not sure why this concept is difficult for some of you to grasp.
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Um, sorry, but you can't claim the wholely separate cities of Canton and Akron as part of Cleveland to trump up your football victories. Pittsburgh would have a much right to claim Canton as Cleveland. The Cleveland Browns have 8 football championship titles of which 4 are not true titles (as you split the honor with another football league in 1946, 1947, 1948 and 1964). Those championships are the equivalent of winning the AFC Conference championship game and not a Super Bowl. Also you are forgetting that the Homestead Athletic Club (which shares a border with the geographical limits of the City of Pittsburgh) won the football Championships in 1900 and 1901. The Pittsburgh Stars won the football championship in 1902. I will give you the 1924 Cleveland Bulldogs and the 1945 Cleveland Rams championships as well. So in terms championships Cleveland has 10 championships and Pittsburgh has 9, with a 10th one pending.
1900 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1901 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1902 Pittsburgh Stars (uncontested)
1974 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB09
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB10
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB13
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB14
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB40
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB43
1924 Cleveland Bulldogs (unconstested)
1945 Cleveland Rams (uncontested)
1946 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Bears)
1947 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Cardinals)
1948 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles)
1949 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles) in 1950 the Browns and Eagles matched up which ultimately resulted in the Browns being the uncontested winners for the 1949 season.
1950 Cleveland Browns
1954 Cleveland Browns
1955 Cleveland Browns
1964 NFL: Cleveland Browns (AFL: Buffalo Bills)
Endymion said:
Um, sorry, but you can't claim the wholely separate cities of Canton and Akron as part of Cleveland to trump up your football victories. Pittsburgh would have a much right to claim Canton as Cleveland.No, Canton/Akron/Cleveland are all a part of the same Metropolitan statistical area. They are also part of the same Nielsen Designated Market Area. Pittsburgh has no connection to this market area. I live in the Akron/Canton area. Don't tell me who we identify with. Had you said Youngstown, you might have had an argument, but not Akron or Canton.This is a compendium of titles won by Metropolitan regions. Notice that I included New York/New Jersey into a single market area, and LA/Anaheim and San Fran/Oakland/San Jose, and Boston/Providence and others. I have not singled out Cleveland for any special treatment in this regard.
The Cleveland Browns have 8 football championship titles of which 4 are not true titles (as you split the honor with another football league in 1946, 1947, 1948 and 1964).
Every single one is a true title. We don't need a feckless fool like you to tell us otherwise.
Those championships are the equivalent of winning the AFC Conference championship game and not a Super Bowl.
A championship is a championship. They would only be equivalent to an AFC Conference title game if these teams had to play another game. They didn't. They won the final ultimate title. End of story.
Also you are forgetting that the Homestead Athletic Club (which shares a border with the geographical limits of the City of Pittsburgh) won the football Championships in 1900 and 1901. The Pittsburgh Stars won the football championship in 1902. I will give you the 1924 Cleveland Bulldogs and the 1945 Cleveland Rams championships as well. So in terms championships Cleveland has 10 championships and Pittsburgh has 9, with a 10th one pending.
Cleveland/Northeast Ohio area has 13 titles that are counted since the inception of the NFL. I will give you the list that is authoritative recognized.
1900 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1901 Homestead Atheletic Club (uncontested)
1902 Pittsburgh Stars (uncontested)
If you really want to start with these pre NFL leagues, then I guess I could add about 20 or so similar titles won by NEOhio teams...probably in that same league.
1974 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB09
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB10
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB13
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB14
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB40
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers -- SB43
1924 Cleveland Bulldogs (unconstested)
1945 Cleveland Rams (uncontested)
1946 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Bears)
1947 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Chicago Cardinals)
1948 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles)
1949 AAFC: Cleveland Browns (NFL: Philadelphia Eagles) in 1950 the Browns and Eagles matched up which ultimately resulted in the Browns being the uncontested winners for the 1949 season.
1950 Cleveland Browns
1954 Cleveland Browns
1955 Cleveland Browns
1964 NFL: Cleveland Browns (AFL: Buffalo Bills)
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Here is the list of Nielsen DMA. Cleveland/Akron/Canton are all one area:
DMA MAP
Designates all 210 Markets in the United States, detailing each county and state for Single Unit and Area Franchise Development Sales. The DMA system is a nationally accepted standard by all Media. The DMA map is an excellent method of awarding territories to area developers and multi-unit Franchisee's.
1 New York 7,493,530 20,093,347 2.68
2 Los Angeles 5,659,170 17,036,504 3.01
3 Chicago 3,501,010 9,381,467 2.68
4 Philadelphia 2,955,190 7,444,967 2.52
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,544,410 6,786,334 2.67
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,503,400 6,718,840 2.68
7 Atlanta 2,387,520 6,316,859 2.65
8 Boston (Manchester) 2,410,180 5,983,812 2.48
9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,335,040 5,935,943 2.54
10 Houston 2,123,460 5,883,467 2.77
11 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,873,930 4,982,357 2.66
12 Detroit 1,890,220 4,757,983 2.52
13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,833,990 4,492,765 2.45
14 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,732,050 4,283,492 2.47
15 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,805,810 4,177,920 2.31
16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,538,090 4,104,449 2.67
17 Denver 1,539,380 3,839,416 2.49
18 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,404,580 3,837,728 2.73
19 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,520,750 3,668,743 2.41
20 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,455,620 3,561,548 2.45
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Here are the recognized titlists:
Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans Saints (NFC,13-3) defeated Indianapolis Colts (AFC,14-2), Score: 31-17
2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23
2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14
2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17
2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10
2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21
2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29
2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21
2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17
2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7
1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16
1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19
1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24
1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21
1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17
1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26
1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13
1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17
1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24
1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19
1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10
1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16
1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10
1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20
1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10
1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16
1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9
1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17
1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21
1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10
1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19
1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31
1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10
1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14
1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17
1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6
1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7
1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7
1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3
1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13
1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7
1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7
1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14
1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10
1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)
1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)
1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)
1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)
1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)
1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)
1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)
1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)
1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)
1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)
1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)
1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)
1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)
1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)
1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)
1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)
1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)
1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)
1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)
1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)
1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)
1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)
1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)
1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)
1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)
1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)
1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)
1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)
1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)
1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)
1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)
1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)
1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)
1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)
1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)
1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)
1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)
1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)
1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)
1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)
1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)
1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)
1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)
1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)
Source: Pro-football-reference
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If we wanted to go to the Pre-1920/NFL era Northeast Ohio could claim many of these football league champions from the NFL's predecessor league:
ChampionshipsYear Champion W L T Deciding game
1902 Akron East Ends
1903 Massillon Tigers 8 1 0 def. Akron East Ends, 11-0
1904 Massillon Tigers 7 0 0 def. Akron East Ends, 6-5
1905 Massillon Tigers 10 0 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 10-0
1906 Massillon Tigers 10 1 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 13-6
1907 "All-Massillons" 7 0 1 [1]
1908 Akron Indians 8 0 1
1909 Akron Indians 9 0 0 def. Shelby Blues, 12-9
1910 Shelby Blues and Shelby Tigers[2] 14 0 1 def. Akron Indians, 8-5
1911 Shelby Blues 10 0 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 1-0 (forfeit)
1912 Elyria Athletics 8 0 0 def. Akron Indians
1913 Akron Indians 8 1 2 def. Shelby Blues, 20-0
1914 Akron Parratt's Indians 8 2 1 def. Canton Bulldogs, 21-0
1915 Youngstown Patricians 8[3] 0 1 def. Washington Vigilants, 13-7[4]
1916 Canton Bulldogs 9 0 1 def. Massillon Tigers, 24-0
1917 Canton Bulldogs 9 1 0 def. Detroit Heralds, 7-0
1918 Dayton Triangles 8 0 0 def. Detroit Heralds
1919 Canton Bulldogs 9 0 1
At least a few of these team actually became NFL franchises.
Or you could add championship earned in this league which was an NFL forerunner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pro_Football_League
But I haven't done any of that. I have only counted the titles won that are reflected in the above post #18....the list that is put together by pro-football-reference, wikipedia, and the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
I have to agree here Canton is Canton and Akron is Akron, not Cleveland not Pittsburgh, very simple. I mean what Canton is 60 miles from Cleveland that means with Dayton only being 60-70 miles from columbus they could start claiming OSU titles.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Seriously, Canton is nearly as close? Try about twice as far in drive time:
Distance from Canton to Pitt: 92.3 miles, 1 hr 57 min
Distance from Canton to Cle: 60.0 miles, 1 hr 1 min
The sad part isn't lumping in cities, it's spending they day after your team wins a birth to the bowl on a message board of a team that finished 5-11. Look in the mirror if you want sad.
Thanks Gip - keep up the good info.
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The Cleveland/Akron/Canton media market.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland.Now, you have proven you are an idiot who cannot even look at a map.
Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not.
Believe what you want....they are. Every authoritative resource says so. Do you think you are a greater authority than all those I have sited? I think not.
While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
My list begins with the formation of the National Football League. You are the one that brought up the old titles, not me.
In that regard you brought in a pea shooter as ammunition. Don't blame me for playing your game and then blowing your ass away with a bazooka.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
What is sad is that you have to try to send a camel through the eye of a needle to try to deny a simple fact.
FYI, the NFL lives on its "media Markets" It doesn't give a rat's ass about city or county boundaries. I simply have applied their own methodolgy.
If you are so stuck on city boundaries, why were you so willing to bring in "Homestead" titles simply because it shares a boundary? I nor the NFL pay any attention to those boundaries:
I gave New York credit for teams that don't even play in the same state. Washington D.C. gets credit for a team that plays in a different state.
Half the teams in the NFL don't play in the city they are named for. Hell, a bunch of them are named for a whole state or even a geographic region.
Do you know what city the Dallas Cowboys play in? It ain't Dallas. It is now Arlington, previously Irving. How about the Buffalo Bills? Orchard Park. New York Jets and New York Giants? It ain't New York City or New York State.
New England Patriots? Maybe they could travel from Caribou Maine to Greenwhich Connecticut and all 5 states in between.
How does the Landover Maryland Redskins sound to you? The Opa Locka Dolphins? Let's see now, do the Tennessee Titans play in Knoxville, or Memphis or Dollywood or somewhere in between. Like the sound of the Ashwabenon Packers?
The Independence Chiefs? Do the Arizona Cardinals play on the Hopi reservation? Or do they fill the Grand Canyon for their games.
Boundaries mean diddley, bo.
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