Green Bay closing in on Cleveland
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I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?
I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
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I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?
I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
It would put you ahead of Dallas.
Again, this is NOT a Browns title thread, but a city title thread. Many of the cities on the list have had multiple franchises win titles. Like Dallas which has had the Texans and the Cowboys. Like New York with Giants and Jets. Chicago with the Bears and Cardinals. LA had the Rams and the Raiders. Boston/Providence has the Patriots and SteamRoller. Philadelphia has the Eagles and the Yellow Jackets. Baltimore has the Colts and the Ravens. SanFran/Oak./SJ has the Raiders and 49ers. Cleveland has had the Browns, Rams, Bulldogs, Pros.
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Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
What I do in my compilations has nothing to do with Cleveland sports. I keep this compilation for Pro Football, baseball, and basketball which Cleveland does have a team, but I also have it for hockey...no Cleveland team, and for College football and College basketball. No Cleveland area team is likely to have a run at titles in those sports....even though Kent State made the Elite Eight a few years back, and CSU made the Sweet Sixteen in 1986.
Pro Football is the only sport in which a thread of this title can be made....because it is the only sport in which the lead for the most titles won in a city/region is so close. In baseball and hockey NYC and Montreal are light years ahead in the count. In the NBA, Boston has a 6 game lead over LA, so that is not that close.
I don't keep a "city" count in college football or basketball because those sports are not "city oriented" like the Pro Sports are. I don't keep a count for Tuscaloosa, Alabama or South Bend Indiana the way you do for Pro teams.
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my grandfather was born in Stuebenville Ohio and played football with the neighborhood kids. His team used to beat all of the other teams in the day. Granted they were only kids but to me, when I think about it, it was just as important as winning a Super Bowl. I wish the NFL would count that but they don't. I don't buy this whole Super Bowl or nothing argument. Plenty of great football was played back in the day when it wasn't commercialized and driven by profits.
These days Super Bowls are just handed out to teams. The real championships were a lot harder to win before the NFL took over. I hope the Steelers finally become relevant to the history of football with a 7th Lombardi Trophy but we are still chasing the Browns's legacy.
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I think the Packers actually used to play half of their home games in Milwuakee.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Im 15 minutes from Akron, 25 from Canton, and 45 from Cleveland. Im also 2 hours and 15 minutes from Pissburgh so how are they "nearly as close to Pissburgh as it is to Cleveland?
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The Browns could in theory take credit for the Steelers Super Bowls - from a geographical standpoint. Why not?
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In the course of the history of Professional Football in this country, the following city/regions have won the most professional football titles:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton...13
Green Bay...12
Chicago...11
New York/NJ...8
San Fran/Oak./S.J....7
Dallas...6
Pittsburgh...6
Wash. D.C...5
Philadelphia...4
Detroit...4
Boston/Providence....4
Baltimore...4
Buffalo...2
Denver...2
LA/Anaheim...2
Miami...2
Houston...2
Indianapolis...1
Kansas City...1
New Orleans...1
St. Louis...1
San Diego...1
Tampa/St. Pete...1
So, as you can see, if the Packers win the NFL title, that city will tie for the most football titles in the country.
In the course of the history of Professional Football in this country, the following city/regions have won the most professional football titles:
Cleveland/Akron/Canton...13
Green Bay...12
Chicago...11
New York/NJ...8
San Fran/Oak./S.J....7
Dallas...6
Pittsburgh...6
Wash. D.C...5
Philadelphia...4
Detroit...4
Boston/Providence....4
Baltimore...4
Buffalo...2
Denver...2
LA/Anaheim...2
Miami...2
Houston...2
Indianapolis...1
Kansas City...1
New Orleans...1
St. Louis...1
San Diego...1
Tampa/St. Pete...1
So, as you can see, if the Packers win the NFL title, that city will tie for the most football titles in the country.
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Hey Gipper. Take a moment and think about what you're doing.
Sad, isn't it.
I'm sorry the Steelers reached the Super Bowl again. It is tough take. i agree. I don't like it at all.
But you pathetic attempts to grab any dignity and success and attribute it to the Browns, is heartbreaking to watch. I almost expect you to include Soap Box derby championships that happened in Akron.
Consider this an intervention.
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The Browns could in theory take credit for the Steelers Super Bowls - from a geographical standpoint. Why not?
Surf and Turf said:
The Browns could in theory take credit for the Steelers Super Bowls - from a geographical standpoint. Why not?Because the Browns don't want to be associated with high levels of cheating. Tainted championships are worse than none at all.
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Surf and Turf said:
The Browns could in theory take credit for the Steelers Super Bowls - from a geographical standpoint. Why not?Because the Browns don't want to be associated with high levels of cheating. Tainted championships are worse than none at all.
Because the Browns don't want to be associated with high levels of cheating. Tainted championships are worse than none at all.
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Now this is funny. Look at all the Stiller fans on a Browns board after their team gets to the Super Bowl. What's even more priceless are the one's getting defensive and butt-hurt over this thread.
Comedy Gold. Must be a slow day at the local Yinzer McDonalds.
Now this is funny. Look at all the Stiller fans on a Browns board after their team gets to the Super Bowl. What's even more priceless are the one's getting defensive and butt-hurt over this thread.
Comedy Gold. Must be a slow day at the local Yinzer McDonalds.
Yes we stop by ...and if you guys aint Talking S*** we walk on by. But That never seems to be the Case. You have NOTHING to stand on man. I Know hat you Sissy asses want. To Post S*** with NO Response and no one to answer to...how lame is that ? You want to talk S*** .. then be man enough to answer .
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Now this is funny. Look at all the Stiller fans on a Browns board after their team gets to the Super Bowl. What's even more priceless are the one's getting defensive and butt-hurt over this thread.
Comedy Gold. Must be a slow day at the local Yinzer McDonalds.
Yes we stop by ...and if you guys aint Talking S*** we walk on by. But That never seems to be the Case. You have NOTHING to stand on man. I Know hat you Sissy asses want. To Post S*** with NO Response and no one to answer to...how lame is that ? You want to talk S*** .. then be man enough to answer .
Yes we stop by ...and if you guys aint Talking S*** we walk on by. But That never seems to be the Case. You have NOTHING to stand on man. I Know hat you Sissy asses want. To Post S*** with NO Response and no one to answer to...how lame is that ? You want to talk S*** .. then be man enough to answer .
Now come on now BUNSofSTEEL08.. you're starting to melt. You're teams going to the Super Bowl for pete's sake. Why so mad?
I have an idea.. how bout you keep on "walking by". Getting melty on what's said on a 5-11 team's board is awfully pathetic.
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Yes we stop by ...and if you guys aint Talking S*** we walk on by. But That never seems to be the Case. You have NOTHING to stand on man. I Know hat you Sissy asses want. To Post S*** with NO Response and no one to answer to...how lame is that ? You want to talk S*** .. then be man enough to answer .
Now come on now BUNSofSTEEL08.. you're starting to melt. You're teams going to the Super Bowl for pete's sake. Why so mad?
I have an idea.. how bout you keep on "walking by". Getting melty on what's said on a 5-11 team's board is awfully pathetic.
Now come on now BUNSofSTEEL08.. you're starting to melt. You're teams going to the Super Bowl for pete's sake. Why so mad?
I have an idea.. how bout you keep on "walking by". Getting melty on what's said on a 5-11 team's board is awfully pathetic.
DUDE... I am 90% Positive toward you guys. By why do I need to hear S*** and walk on by ? Why dont you guys just ignore the Pittsburgh Steelers ? Or at the very least be rational ?
Climbing the Stairway...To SEVEN !! -
Yes we stop by ...and if you guys aint Talking S*** we walk on by. But That never seems to be the Case. You have NOTHING to stand on man. I Know hat you Sissy asses want. To Post S*** with NO Response and no one to answer to...how lame is that ? You want to talk S*** .. then be man enough to answer .
Now come on now BUNSofSTEEL08.. you're starting to melt. You're teams going to the Super Bowl for pete's sake. Why so mad?
I have an idea.. how bout you keep on "walking by". Getting melty on what's said on a 5-11 team's board is awfully pathetic.
Now come on now BUNSofSTEEL08.. you're starting to melt. You're teams going to the Super Bowl for pete's sake. Why so mad?
I have an idea.. how bout you keep on "walking by". Getting melty on what's said on a 5-11 team's board is awfully pathetic.
And Green Bay ... is a Hell of a Team. A Steeler win ..will be an Upset. Can the Steelers do it Yes ...but its a Tall TAsk... we will see !
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"Yes we stop by" Seems you've stopped by 2,717 times..
Why don't you listen to your own players... Baltimore is your rival, why are you stopping by here so much..
I'll tell you why, because your lookin for your momma..
Get in line and go hump bathroom ben
Peace (my ass)
T.Dawg
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Mr. Gipper,
You never cited specific references other than vaguely referring to NFL rules for TV coverage. So I'll agree with you that we refer to NFL rules to decide your championships. First I can find no record of any team from Akron or Canton in the NFL (you may submit links in your replies to demonstrate otherwise). By NFL rules the Browns accomplishments prior to joining the NFL are not recognized. The Browns were considered an "expansion" team of the 1950 season. Since you played against the Philadephia in 1950 to decide the national champion of 1949, that will count as one championship for your franchise. The NFL also recognizes your championships from 1950, 1954, 1955 and 1964. Totalling that up equals a grand total of 5 championships, which is less than your hated rivals.
Prior to joining the NFL, your team played primarily against other Ohio based teams. There were roughly around 7 teams from Cleveland, Akron and Canton areas combined. These were seperate teams, each competing against one another. If one of these teams won, typically someone else with deeper pockets bought out all of their players. Cleveland did not win the championships, the seperate cities, or even the seperate regions of those particular cities did. Trying to claim them to boost your ego and falsely promote the football greatness of your city is sad and pathetic.
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Hey Gipper. Take a moment and think about what you're doing.
Sad, isn't it.
I'm sorry the Steelers reached the Super Bowl again. It is tough take. i agree. I don't like it at all.
But you pathetic attempts to grab any dignity and success and attribute it to the Browns, is heartbreaking to watch. I almost expect you to include Soap Box derby championships that happened in Akron.
Consider this an intervention.
The Soldier said:
Hey Gipper. Take a moment and think about what you're doing.Sad, isn't it.
I'm sorry the Steelers reached the Super Bowl again. It is tough take. i agree. I don't like it at all.
But you pathetic attempts to grab any dignity and success and attribute it to the Browns, is heartbreaking to watch. I almost expect you to include Soap Box derby championships that happened in Akron.
Consider this an intervention.
Steelers? This thread was mainly about the Green Bay Packers.
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