A question about the left
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The idea that achieving universal healthcare is "smoke" and not something that liberals care deeply about doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.
They've tried to make it law the last two times they've controlled the White House. Clearly, it's a goal, not just some nebulous thing promised in a campaign in order to get in power.
The idea that achieving universal healthcare is "smoke" and not something that liberals care deeply about doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.
They've tried to make it law the last two times they've controlled the White House. Clearly, it's a goal, not just some nebulous thing promised in a campaign in order to get in power.
Razberries.
Promising free shit you know you can't deliver is always a winner.
Just keep the downside on the QT.
What do you think they'd say if Obama had been honest about the mandate?
Hey war makes us prosperous and safe too.
Samd deal.
WSS
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Baloney. They could have done it, with Republican support.
but they go so far overboard, in the wrong directions, but still including some
valid directions for some legimate bragging...
But PE is correct.
they didn't do what they "said" they wanted to do.
Instead, there was a gigantic turd occured instead.
Meanwhile, a Federal Judge in Florida ruled the ENTIRE BILL UNConstitutional.
So far, we nailed it, Heck.
Now, despite Reid's frantic attempts to avoid a vote,
the Senate is going to vote on repealing the hc fiasco.
So, if indeed it is UNConsitutional, how bad is it, that some of the Dems,
if not most, will vote against repealing it?
It has to go. It was written to be whole, without parts taken out.
That's why the Federal Judge ruled the entire thing is UNConstitutional. See, Heck?
No "Ha ha". It's a very, very, very, very really bad bill.
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The idea that achieving universal healthcare is "smoke" and not something that liberals care deeply about doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.
They've tried to make it law the last two times they've controlled the White House. Clearly, it's a goal, not just some nebulous thing promised in a campaign in order to get in power.
Razberries.
Promising free shit you know you can't deliver is always a winner.
Just keep the downside on the QT.
What do you think they'd say if Obama had been honest about the mandate?
Hey war makes us prosperous and safe too.
Samd deal.
WSS
Razberries.
Promising free shit you know you can't deliver is always a winner.
Just keep the downside on the QT.
What do you think they'd say if Obama had been honest about the mandate?
Hey war makes us prosperous and safe too.
Samd deal.
WSS
So true. So true.
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The HC bill was not without its merits. I really liked the idea that they couldn't turn anyone down for preexisting conditions. Were there any provisions regarding the insurance industry turning down old customers for new conditions? It happens rarely, but it does happen.
But then I don't want the line between elective surgery and required surgery to get muddied.
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The HC bill was not without its merits. I really liked the idea that they couldn't turn anyone down for preexisting conditions. Were there any provisions regarding the insurance industry turning down old customers for new conditions? It happens rarely, but it does happen.
But then I don't want the line between elective surgery and required surgery to get muddied.
The HC bill was not without its merits. I really liked the idea that they couldn't turn anyone down for preexisting conditions. Were there any provisions regarding the insurance industry turning down old customers for new conditions? It happens rarely, but it does happen.
But then I don't want the line between elective surgery and required surgery to get muddied.
But those reasons are spurious.
Here's why.
You can get insurance under what they ccall "open enrollment" today. Always could.
Problem is they can charge huge premiums. And that won't really change under Obamacare.
Second he campaigned against the public mandate and that's the rub. He flipped on that as soon as he got elected.
People thought it was going to be free.
I bet most thought he'd end the wars.
Suckers.
WSS
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The mandate is how you are able to get the ban on pre-existing conditions. You can't have one without the other. Anyone who tells you they're going to repeal the mandate, but love the ban on pre-existing conditions (i.e. just about every Republican) is just selling you a lie.
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The mandate is how you are able to get the ban on pre-existing conditions. You can't have one without the other. Anyone who tells you they're going to repeal the mandate, but love the ban on pre-existing conditions (i.e. just about every Republican) is just selling you a lie.
The mandate is how you are able to get the ban on pre-existing conditions. You can't have one without the other. Anyone who tells you they're going to repeal the mandate, but love the ban on pre-existing conditions (i.e. just about every Republican) is just selling you a lie.
Yeah? Hey Heck, you don't have to sell me on the mandate.
I've been on board for years. It's the only honest way.
"de people" don't seem to like em though and Obama DID campaign against them.
Maybe he was "lying" or maybe he had a change of heart.
Or just had no idea what was involved with it.
WSS
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The mandate is how you are able to get the ban on pre-existing conditions. You can't have one without the other. Anyone who tells you they're going to repeal the mandate, but love the ban on pre-existing conditions (i.e. just about every Republican) is just selling you a lie.
The mandate is how you are able to get the ban on pre-existing conditions. You can't have one without the other. Anyone who tells you they're going to repeal the mandate, but love the ban on pre-existing conditions (i.e. just about every Republican) is just selling you a lie.
Yeah? Hey Heck, you don't have to sell me on the mandate.
I've been on board for years. It's the only honest way.
"de people" don't seem to like em though and Obama DID campaign against them.
Maybe he was "lying" or maybe he had a change of heart.
Or just had no idea what was involved with it.
WSS
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The minutiae of health care policy doesn't exactly sway votes in primary season. I'd be surprised if more than a handful of votes, if any, were gained or lost for Hillary or Obama because they differed on a health care mandate.
And remember: Obama switched on the mandate because the insurance companies told him they couldn't provide coverage to people at an acceptable cost without it. This was a trade-off to get industry support, and to realistically achieve the goal of universal coverage.
And you've got to drop the false charge that they promised that it'd be "free." It's one you've repeated for years now, and it's never been true. See if you can find him or anyone in the administration promising that your coverage would be free. You can't. His original plan was to subsidize coverage for lower end earners, not to make it free.
If you think some people thought he'd end both wars and that their health care coverage would be "free" then you've got a problem with these non-specific "people" in your head. Take it up with them, if you can find one.
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This will be a fun test, Steve. From Jon Chait's blog:
"Peter DeFazio (D-OR) has a proposal to accommodate the philosophical and legal objections to the individual mandate while still fulfilling the core objective of preventing people from free-riding on the regulated insurance market:
Defazio (D-OR) proposes that people be allowed to opt out of the insurance mandate altogether -- but if they do, they will not be allowed to free-ride on the new health care system.
Under his plan, a person opting out "must file an 'affidavit of personal responsibility' with the state exchange. Such a filing will waive their rights to: 1) Enroll in a health insurance exchange; 2) Enroll in Medicaid if otherwise made eligible; and 3) Discharge health care related debt under Chapter 7 bankruptcy law," DeFazio wrote in a letter to colleagues Tuesday.
Under his plan, if a person wants back into the system, they'd need to buy insurance on their own, out of pocket, for five years. The idea here, and with other, similar plans, is to moot one of the constitutional complaints about the mandate -- that it penalizes "inactivity."
Since those conservative objections are utterly sincere, I'm sure Republicans will be happy to join together to pass a law to eliminate the hated individual mandate and improve the health care law. This is about freedom, right?"
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Jeez Heck' that would be stupid to opt out at this point; because the whole healthcare law is set up to have everyone forced/manipulated into buying government ran health insurance.
Its a catch 22 and DeFazio knows it.
Just think how simple life would be if we did not have any liberals in power.
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Jeez Heck' that would be stupid to opt out at this point; because the whole healthcare law is set up to have everyone forced/manipulated into buying government ran health insurance.
Its a catch 22 and DeFazio knows it.
Just think how simple life would be if we did not have any liberals in power.
Jeez Heck' that would be stupid to opt out at this point; because the whole healthcare law is set up to have everyone forced/manipulated into buying government ran health insurance.
Its a catch 22 and DeFazio knows it.
Just think how simple life would be if we did not have any liberals in power.
Yes it would be simpler... you would have a fascist state.
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Jeez Heck' that would be stupid to opt out at this point; because the whole healthcare law is set up to have everyone forced/manipulated into buying government ran health insurance.
Its a catch 22 and DeFazio knows it.
Just think how simple life would be if we did not have any liberals in power.
Yes it would be simpler... you would have a fascist state.
Yes it would be simpler... you would have a fascist state.
Republicans are fascists IOW.
Let the hand wringins begin!!
WSS
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This will be a fun test, Steve. From Jon Chait's blog:
"Peter DeFazio (D-OR) has a proposal to accommodate the philosophical and legal objections to the individual mandate while still fulfilling the core objective of preventing people from free-riding on the regulated insurance market:
Defazio (D-OR) proposes that people be allowed to opt out of the insurance mandate altogether -- but if they do, they will not be allowed to free-ride on the new health care system.
Under his plan, a person opting out "must file an 'affidavit of personal responsibility' with the state exchange. Such a filing will waive their rights to: 1) Enroll in a health insurance exchange; 2) Enroll in Medicaid if otherwise made eligible; and 3) Discharge health care related debt under Chapter 7 bankruptcy law," DeFazio wrote in a letter to colleagues Tuesday.
Under his plan, if a person wants back into the system, they'd need to buy insurance on their own, out of pocket, for five years. The idea here, and with other, similar plans, is to moot one of the constitutional complaints about the mandate -- that it penalizes "inactivity."
Since those conservative objections are utterly sincere, I'm sure Republicans will be happy to join together to pass a law to eliminate the hated individual mandate and improve the health care law. This is about freedom, right?"
This will be a fun test, Steve. From Jon Chait's blog:
"Peter DeFazio (D-OR) has a proposal to accommodate the philosophical and legal objections to the individual mandate while still fulfilling the core objective of preventing people from free-riding on the regulated insurance market:
Defazio (D-OR) proposes that people be allowed to opt out of the insurance mandate altogether -- but if they do, they will not be allowed to free-ride on the new health care system.
Under his plan, a person opting out "must file an 'affidavit of personal responsibility' with the state exchange. Such a filing will waive their rights to: 1) Enroll in a health insurance exchange; 2) Enroll in Medicaid if otherwise made eligible; and 3) Discharge health care related debt under Chapter 7 bankruptcy law," DeFazio wrote in a letter to colleagues Tuesday.
Under his plan, if a person wants back into the system, they'd need to buy insurance on their own, out of pocket, for five years. The idea here, and with other, similar plans, is to moot one of the constitutional complaints about the mandate -- that it penalizes "inactivity."
Since those conservative objections are utterly sincere, I'm sure Republicans will be happy to join together to pass a law to eliminate the hated individual mandate and improve the health care law. This is about freedom, right?"
Seems like I proposed that months ago.
You don't have to buy car insurance if you have the dough and a cheap financial security bond.
But if you f$ck up you're on the hook for big dough.
That underscores the problem, ie that insurance in general has made us a bit more secure and a bit less responsible.
WSS
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Jeez Heck' that would be stupid to opt out at this point; because the whole healthcare law is set up to have everyone forced/manipulated into buying government ran health insurance.
Its a catch 22 and DeFazio knows it.
Just think how simple life would be if we did not have any liberals in power.
Yes it would be simpler... you would have a fascist state.
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Sadly enough, watch these videos. They want socialism, so they can have what other's earned.
Legalized theft. And they want revolution, violence, to get it. Especially troubling is the third one.
Take away our guns, apparently, so they can have a successful "revolution" ?
I don't get them. They want corporations out of politics, but the unions in those corps can support
their liberal side to great advantage. And Obamao wants that too - that advantage.
When liberals don't get the huge advantage, they get po'd to the max. Street thugs thinking
they deserve whatever goods they can get, after beating up people and taking their money.
Only these thugs are paid? to hold signs on the street to encourage 'the same thing going on in Egypt".
Idiots.
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