Odds of winning the 2011 season Super Bowl
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QBs= Both have garbage at this point
RBs= Frank Gore >>>>>Peyton Hillis
WRs= Crabtree is better than anything we have
TE= Vernon Davis is light years better than Watson
OL= Our line is better but not by much
Defense is probably a wash although Patrick Willis is better than anything we have.
Our line is alot better, and i believe are QB situation is better at this point....Ill give you Gore by a slight edge over Hillis but by next year that could change,and Crabtree and Davis are better than anything we have....But i still dont see them as anything special
Our line is alot better, and i believe are QB situation is better at this point....Ill give you Gore by a slight edge over Hillis but by next year that could change,and Crabtree and Davis are better than anything we have....But i still dont see them as anything special
Peyton Hillis is NOT Frank Gore. I know you guys love your team as you should but do you really believe Peyton Hillis is as good as Frank Gore? Really? The Niners also have a lot of vital pieces to the puzzle as Pizza already pointed out. Truthfully the Browns should be there with all the top 10 draft selections but so many of those have flaked out and most aren't even on the roster. The last draft was the first draft in a LONG time that I felt the Browns did well top to bottom. Either way Peyton Hillis is not Frank Gore lol, not even close. He's a big, physical guy but if he can't run you over he can't run and there are more than a few defenses in this league that can't be "run over". Mind you I'm not knocking Hillis. I actually like the guy but he's not in the upper tier.
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Zombo said:
Hines Ward is the heart and soul of that team. If he leaves, or has a diminished role, they will never be the same offensively. Big Ben is not a leader, he had a chance for a Montana moment and he shit his pants. Mendenhall is ordinary, o-line is going to have holes. Defensively they are getting a little long in the tooth. Expect a couple 8-8 type seasons while they re-tool.Zombo
Hines Ward is a big piece but he's not VITAL to the offense and you're completely delusional to believe there aren't other leaders on that team. If we're talking offense look no further than Heath Miller even though I think Ben is a leader, especially now. Mendenhall is also far from ordinary lol. He's a complete back and making a case for the "upper tier". I'd also love to know for how long people will say "the o-line has holes" when we've won two Super Bowls with that line and had both tackles still go down and went to the Super Bowl once again. Defensively you should check some of the recent drafts. Ziggy Hood, Timmons, Woodley, Worilds. Our rookie DB's never see the field immediately but we have a promising corner in Crezdon Butler. Pittsburgh always drafts to replace and groom. You'd think you would have learned this by now. We'll be re-tooling for another Super Bowl run.
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Go 'Lers said:
I like the odds, the Steelers are one shutdown corner and/or a good guard away from getting back on top. I see why New England is the favorite but the Packers will be the team to get through next year BY FAR.In my opinion the Steelers odds will greatly hinge on whether or not LeBeau decides to come back as your DC or if he decides to retire.
In my opinion the Steelers odds will greatly hinge on whether or not LeBeau decides to come back as your DC or if he decides to retire.
He's coming back and if he doesn't they have Keith Butler immediately behind him. I'm pretty sure Lebeau has already stated he's not retiring because he's having too much fun with the current group.
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Ben has two more Super Bowl rings than the whole Cleveland Browns franchise since their inception. Thank you.
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otto Graham has 7 rings? Where did he get them? Are they plastic rings that come in cracker jack boxes?
Can you please post a picture of otto's rings.
Thank you and I will pray that you stop obsessing about the steelers.
Zombo said:
Ben has a fat head and a career SB rating of 64. He has two rings because of Dick LeBeau and the Steeler defense.Zombo
--Otto Graham had 7 rings and never raped a soul.
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otto Graham has 7 rings? Where did he get them? Are they plastic rings that come in cracker jack boxes?
Can you please post a picture of otto's rings.
Thank you and I will pray that you stop obsessing about the steelers.
Zombo said:
Ben has a fat head and a career SB rating of 64. He has two rings because of Dick LeBeau and the Steeler defense.Zombo
--Otto Graham had 7 rings and never raped a soul.
otto Graham has 7 rings? Where did he get them? Are they plastic rings that come in cracker jack boxes?
Can you please post a picture of otto's rings.
Thank you and I will pray that you stop obsessing about the steelers.
Something about the irony of a stooler fan on a browns board EVERYDAY saying anyone else is obsessed about anything makes me want to pukesburgh all over the place. Go home nancy.
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I was simply asking about otto graham's rings. Where are they? Don't get angry, it is only football.
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Zombo, thank you for admitting that you have no idea where the rings are.
Unless Ben sold his he should still have his rings. (yes there are pictures)
I will pray that you get over your bitterness and hope you win a Super Bowl soon, or at least show up. you'll have to win the AFC North first (just a heads up)
Thank you.
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Do they? Who?
Compare their situation to the Browns.
QBs= Both have garbage at this point
RBs= Frank Gore >>>>>Peyton Hillis
WRs= Crabtree is better than anything we have
TE= Vernon Davis is light years better than Watson
OL= Our line is better but not by much
Defense is probably a wash although Patrick Willis is better than anything we have.
QBs= Both have garbage at this point
RBs= Frank Gore >>>>>Peyton Hillis
WRs= Crabtree is better than anything we have
TE= Vernon Davis is light years better than Watson
OL= Our line is better but not by much
Defense is probably a wash although Patrick Willis is better than anything we have.
What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
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QBs= Both have garbage at this point
RBs= Frank Gore >>>>>Peyton Hillis
WRs= Crabtree is better than anything we have
TE= Vernon Davis is light years better than Watson
OL= Our line is better but not by much
Defense is probably a wash although Patrick Willis is better than anything we have.
What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
Are you for real on this? or being amazingly sarcastic?
I do like McCoy but Peyton Hillis is not as good as Frank Gore and Vernon Davis is light years better than Ben Watson.
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QBs= Both have garbage at this point
RBs= Frank Gore >>>>>Peyton Hillis
WRs= Crabtree is better than anything we have
TE= Vernon Davis is light years better than Watson
OL= Our line is better but not by much
Defense is probably a wash although Patrick Willis is better than anything we have.
What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
Come on man.
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What are you smoking? Colt McCoy is a winner. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger on the field (not off)......he's the reason you guys will be winning soon.
Peyton Hillis is a beast and Frank Gore is a little better catching the ball, but running...Hillis edges him out.
WR's, yeah that is your weak spot
TE, I'd take Watson any day over Davis.
Come on man.
Come on man.
When Watson wants to play there is no one better. Hillis is a tad better then Gore in my opinion. You guys watch and see if the Browns dont turn it around next football season. Hillid, minus injury will become one of the best in the league, top 5. I think you guys are so accustomed to the Browns losing that you dont see what is coming.
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Ugh, this is getting old. All these trolls do is hi jack every thread and turn it into pissburgh talk just so they can say we talk about them to much. Most of them post 10 single sentence responses in a row just to get the number of pages up so they have a reason to run they're mouth about how many pages a stooler topic has on a Browns forum.
Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if there just doing it to get there post count up. When a stooler fan spends 5 hours a day and has over 800 post on a Browns forum says that you talk about the stoolers to much after you made one post about them you cant do anything but laugh at them and hope they get the mental help they need one day.
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Ugh, this is getting old. All these trolls do is hi jack every thread and turn it into pissburgh talk just so they can say we talk about them to much. Most of them post 10 single sentence responses in a row just to get the number of pages up so they have a reason to run they're mouth about how many pages a stooler topic has on a Browns forum.
Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if there just doing it to get there post count up. When a stooler fan spends 5 hours a day and has over 800 post on a Browns forum says that you talk about the stoolers to much after you made one post about them you cant do anything but laugh at them and hope they get the mental help they need one day.
Ugh, this is getting old. All these trolls do is hi jack every thread and turn it into pissburgh talk just so they can say we talk about them to much. Most of them post 10 single sentence responses in a row just to get the number of pages up so they have a reason to run they're mouth about how many pages a stooler topic has on a Browns forum.
Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if there just doing it to get there post count up. When a stooler fan spends 5 hours a day and has over 800 post on a Browns forum says that you talk about the stoolers to much after you made one post about them you cant do anything but laugh at them and hope they get the mental help they need one day.
Where does your brain reside a vast majority of the time. Check the board and see how many Steeler related threads were/are made by a Browns fan and then check the inverse. I won't answer my own question because you already know the damn answer. You have to be one of the dumbest individuals on this message board. I can also give two sh*ts about my post count lol. I spend a good bit of time on the internet throughout the week. Web browsers have tabs. Do you honestly think there are people that sit on this board and spam "refresh"? lol
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Come on man.
When Watson wants to play there is no one better. Hillis is a tad better then Gore in my opinion. You guys watch and see if the Browns dont turn it around next football season. Hillid, minus injury will become one of the best in the league, top 5. I think you guys are so accustomed to the Browns losing that you dont see what is coming.
When Watson wants to play there is no one better. Hillis is a tad better then Gore in my opinion. You guys watch and see if the Browns dont turn it around next football season. Hillid, minus injury will become one of the best in the league, top 5. I think you guys are so accustomed to the Browns losing that you dont see what is coming.
You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
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When Watson wants to play there is no one better. Hillis is a tad better then Gore in my opinion. You guys watch and see if the Browns dont turn it around next football season. Hillid, minus injury will become one of the best in the league, top 5. I think you guys are so accustomed to the Browns losing that you dont see what is coming.
You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.
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You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.
Homotron said:
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
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Homotron said:
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.
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H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.
Homotron said:
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
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