Lockout
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Green bays numbers are public.
The NFL shares revenue. Most stadiums are about the same in size. Payrolls for players have to hit a minimum and have a maximum. Ticket pricing varies some, but most prices are reasonably close for regular seats...not the skybox variety.
No doubt there are going to be some variations as all revenue isn't shared, but all of the big money is...it's not a stretch to say each teams numbers are going to closely reflect the Green Bay numbers.
At least the teams with a solid fan base who buy tickets and fill the stadium.
But why should the players go off of the Packers numbers. Why can't the owners just open their books. A deal could have been done already if they just said look at what we got and showed the players union how much they are actually making instead of just saying trust us.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
But why should the players go off of the Packers numbers. Why can't the owners just open their books. A deal could have been done already if they just said look at what we got and showed the players union how much they are actually making instead of just saying trust us.Because their arguement wouldn't hold water. They feel disrespected from the last deal.........its gonna require the players to do most of the comprimising to salvage the season. I've seen and heard enough to get the idea the owners aren't getting a 'bad deal' this time.
I hear people say all the time they would happily play football for the league minimum and I agree. But I also would gladly own the browns for a fraction of what Lerner makes. Everyone in the biz should step back and consider how lucky they are.
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Here is what we know based on the Packers, a publicly traded company who's numbers are known.
I would assume the Packers are a team that doesn't have trouble generating top line sales, so their numbers would be some of the best in the league, not in the middle or lower half.
http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/art...de-384c565d01fb
Actually, I understand that because the Packers are in such a small market, they are in the middle or lower half, except perhaps in years when they are doing very well, like this year obviously. This is the speculation I have heard.
Actually, I understand that because the Packers are in such a small market, they are in the middle or lower half, except perhaps in years when they are doing very well, like this year obviously. This is the speculation I have heard.
With sharing as is the case, unlike baseball, all the teams bring in similar revenue.
The Cowboys or Giants don't bring in all that much more then does Cincy or Pittsbirgh.
TV and radio is where the money is, and that is shared.
They all bring in about the same on tickets, and one market doesn't eat or drink that much more over another.
Luxury box sales are about the only difference,,,,that isn't shared.
The Packers are near the top.
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To be realistic, I don't know of any major corporation that opens their books to their employees...
As fans we all want football.. We all want labor peace... We all want a level playing field so we don't have the New York / Boston situation that we have in baseball...
The owners are the ones putting up the money, taking the risk so naturally they want the bigger piece of the pie..
When I was growing up in the 50's a local bar owner played tackel for the Steelers... He was a starter for about 5 years yet he couldn't survive solely on his NFL paycheck...
Times have changed, in that , even marginal players make enough money in their short NFL careers to help them spring board into a fairly good living after football... I don't think too many NFL players are paying on their student loans 10 years after they leave college...
With that being said, I still can't pick either side to support.. This has been an issue for at least a year and should have been settled by now...
The only losers if there is a lockout will be the fans cause in reality both sides are actually playing on our dime...
Peace
T.Dawg
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To be realistic, I don't know of any major corporation that opens their books to their employees...
As fans we all want football.. We all want labor peace... We all want a level playing field so we don't have the New York / Boston situation that we have in baseball...
The owners are the ones putting up the money, taking the risk so naturally they want the bigger piece of the pie..
When I was growing up in the 50's a local bar owner played tackel for the Steelers... He was a starter for about 5 years yet he couldn't survive solely on his NFL paycheck...
Times have changed, in that , even marginal players make enough money in their short NFL careers to help them spring board into a fairly good living after football... I don't think too many NFL players are paying on their student loans 10 years after they leave college...
With that being said, I still can't pick either side to support.. This has been an issue for at least a year and should have been settled by now...
The only losers if there is a lockout will be the fans cause in reality both sides are actually playing on our dime...
Peace
T.Dawg
To be realistic, I don't know of any major corporation that opens their books to their employees...
As fans we all want football.. We all want labor peace... We all want a level playing field so we don't have the New York / Boston situation that we have in baseball...
The owners are the ones putting up the money, taking the risk so naturally they want the bigger piece of the pie..
When I was growing up in the 50's a local bar owner played tackel for the Steelers... He was a starter for about 5 years yet he couldn't survive solely on his NFL paycheck...
Times have changed, in that , even marginal players make enough money in their short NFL careers to help them spring board into a fairly good living after football... I don't think too many NFL players are paying on their student loans 10 years after they leave college...
With that being said, I still can't pick either side to support.. This has been an issue for at least a year and should have been settled by now...
The only losers if there is a lockout will be the fans cause in reality both sides are actually playing on our dime...
Peace
T.Dawg
I agree with you brotha, the owners are not required to show anything to anyone. Even if they did, I'm sure the numbers would be skewed a bit. Can't really say to myself either side is getting the screws.
In a way football was much better before FA when owners had complete control. Football seemed more intense and meaningful. Players weren't getting their rivals signature after the games and players weren't smiling after a loss. I hate that.
I guess I take the side of whichever of the 2 isn't griping about money at the moment. They're both filthy rich and all I care about is the game itself. Its hard to be a fan because they ask so much of us just to be a fan, and ultimately care so little about our opinion. We will definately be the only losers here. Truly sad.
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Actually, I understand that because the Packers are in such a small market, they are in the middle or lower half, except perhaps in years when they are doing very well, like this year obviously. This is the speculation I have heard.
With sharing as is the case, unlike baseball, all the teams bring in similar revenue.
The Cowboys or Giants don't bring in all that much more then does Cincy or Pittsbirgh.
TV and radio is where the money is, and that is shared.
They all bring in about the same on tickets, and one market doesn't eat or drink that much more over another.
Luxury box sales are about the only difference,,,,that isn't shared.
The Packers are near the top.
With sharing as is the case, unlike baseball, all the teams bring in similar revenue.
The Cowboys or Giants don't bring in all that much more then does Cincy or Pittsbirgh.
TV and radio is where the money is, and that is shared.
They all bring in about the same on tickets, and one market doesn't eat or drink that much more over another.
Luxury box sales are about the only difference,,,,that isn't shared.
The Packers are near the top.
Um not exactly 'Peen. I knew I could find the numbers somewhere.
One thing fer sure, Browns fans can quit bitching about Lerner being greedy RIGHT NOW.
I'd have to look up revenue sharing on regular seating, but Jerry Jones has the Steelers doubled on seating capacity, and my math says that works out to $37 million a year more, give or take a few million. And those extra fans are drinking twice as much beer- take that to the Forth Worth Bank.
PS Wake me up when this gets settled- and it will eventually.
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No doubt Dallas raised the bar.
The key here is the Packers...their pricing falls right in line in that $70 range were a great number of the teams have their pricing set.
One also has to consider that raising prices doesn't really help the owner because that is shared with the players.
The incremental increases in rookie pay, along with the agreed splits with the union chew it up faster then it can hit the teams bottom line.
Rookies for a long while have gone in knowing a bonus and signing number are going to be about 4-5%
over last years number for the same draft slot.
That in turn raises every other salary when it comes time to renew a contract.
It's like a big snowball that just keeps getting bigger as it builds up steam rolling down the hill.
But yeah, i agree, I just want football and trust they will work it out.
I hope so anyway. I just paid off my $1404 due by electronic draft about 5 minutes ago.
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To be realistic, I don't know of any major corporation that opens their books to their employees...
As fans we all want football.. We all want labor peace... We all want a level playing field so we don't have the New York / Boston situation that we have in baseball...
The owners are the ones putting up the money, taking the risk so naturally they want the bigger piece of the pie..
When I was growing up in the 50's a local bar owner played tackel for the Steelers... He was a starter for about 5 years yet he couldn't survive solely on his NFL paycheck...
Times have changed, in that , even marginal players make enough money in their short NFL careers to help them spring board into a fairly good living after football... I don't think too many NFL players are paying on their student loans 10 years after they leave college...
With that being said, I still can't pick either side to support.. This has been an issue for at least a year and should have been settled by now...
The only losers if there is a lockout will be the fans cause in reality both sides are actually playing on our dime...
Peace
T.Dawg
To be realistic, I don't know of any major corporation that opens their books to their employees...
On the Contrary, Most major corporations are publicly traded so,indeed, their books would be open to everyone, including their employees.
What you have here however are 31 private corporations and only 1 public corporation
As fans we all want football.. We all want labor peace... We all want a level playing field so we don't have the New York / Boston situation that we have in baseball...
Some of the owners, no names please....{cough, cough, Jerry Jones, cough}, indeed WOULD like an unlevel playing field.
Part of the problem in this labor agreement is the discord between the owners over the division of the money btween themselves..
The owners are the ones putting up the money, taking the risk so naturally they want the bigger piece of the pie..
When I was growing up in the 50's a local bar owner played tackel for the Steelers... He was a starter for about 5 years yet he couldn't survive solely on his NFL paycheck...
Times have changed, in that , even marginal players make enough money in their short NFL careers to help them spring board into a fairly good living after football... I don't think too many NFL players are paying on their student loans 10 years after they leave college...
With that being said, I still can't pick either side to support.. This has been an issue for at least a year and should have been settled by now...
The only losers if there is a lockout will be the fans cause in reality both sides are actually playing on our dime...
Peace
Love and Understanding. What's so funny about that?
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The Gipper--I was following you pretty well up to the statement "love and understanding. Whats so funny about that?" You lost me there brother...
BTW, in most corporations the profit and loss statements are available to the public but the nuts and bolts numbers are usually burried and are not made public.. I would imagine that stockholders get to see most of the ledger but in privately owned businesses the "family" (and the IRS) is the only entity that sees the real numbers...
Peace
T.Dawg
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The Gipper--I was following you pretty well up to the statement "love and understanding. Whats so funny about that?" You lost me there brother...
BTW, in most corporations the profit and loss statements are available to the public but the nuts and bolts numbers are usually burried and are not made public.. I would imagine that stockholders get to see most of the ledger but in privately owned businesses the "family" (and the IRS) is the only entity that sees the real numbers...
Peace
T.Dawg
The Gipper--I was following you pretty well up to the statement "love and understanding. Whats so funny about that?" You lost me there brother...
It is a play on the Elvis Costello song.:
BTW, in most corporations the profit and loss statements are available to the public but the nuts and bolts numbers are usually burried and are not made public.. I would imagine that stockholders get to see most of the ledger but in privately owned businesses the "family" (and the IRS) is the only entity that sees the real numbers...
Peace
Your new anthem above.
T.Dawg
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And hey, I am such a big Elvis Costello fan I named my daughter after one of his songs:
Not really, but its a good story and a good song.
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