Fighting in the locker room
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Zombo said:
I like QBs getting in fights. Means Quinn is either scrappy, irritable or a pain-in the-ass ... all good traits for your starting QB.As for Smith ... good for him, lockerroom fights happen all the time. Now go beat up Big Ben .... er, Leftwich.
As for reflecting on Romeo .... nah. first of all, doesn't matter, he's gone. Secondly, again, lockerrooms fights happen all the time. At least our guys throw punches not just bitch at each other like the Cowboys. THAT is one gay team.
Zombo
The fight was over Quinn telling Smith to shut up and play football.
and the big pussy Smith punked out on the game Sunday because he was told by his offensive teammates that he was an asshole for remarks he made to the press about the offensive line not doing their job.
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I'll go ahead and say that I can be right either way: Smith might very well be a tool, and Quinn might very well be soft.
And many people will treat Quinn like the second coming of L. Ron Hubbard when anyone dares--or is alleged to have dared--to question his ability to lead the team or fix mental illness.
Dennis
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Like it or not it all comes back to lerner for tolorating this crap so long at every level its absolutely rediculous rac should have been canned at the bye week and savage after the season it couldnt have been any worse with tucker or chud running the show...
I agree....I said 6 games ago.....what possible good can come of keeping a lame duck HC in there??? Why do some of these owners go that route? So they don't ruin the season? Wtf???...it was ruined after the first 3 games. In my opinion, it has been a lot more embarrassing to keep Crennel, than to fire him early. I'm really starting to get worried.....is it possible that Lerner is thinking about letting Crennel stay??? Just shoot me now.
I agree....I said 6 games ago.....what possible good can come of keeping a lame duck HC in there??? Why do some of these owners go that route? So they don't ruin the season? Wtf???...it was ruined after the first 3 games. In my opinion, it has been a lot more embarrassing to keep Crennel, than to fire him early. I'm really starting to get worried.....is it possible that Lerner is thinking about letting Crennel stay??? Just shoot me now.
Lerner has simply set this team back horribly by keeping RAC until season's end...I posted this on a fishing board's sports forum...
I stated weeks ago that RAC needed to be let go before things got out of hand. Obviously they have. He has totally lost control of this team...OOPS!...He never HAD control of this team.
A big mouth who can back it up on field is one thing...Smith is the other. If the story is true per the reports I have seen, he should already have played his last game as a Brown. The Browns have had some GREAT players in the past....name just ONE of the REALLY good ones as lippy as this bush league wonder...certainly NOT Jimmy Brown, Kosar, Graham, Motley, Groza, Warfield, etc. Great players let their "on field" actions do their talking for them. Get rid of this clubhouse cancer NOW!
Mike
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@shepwrite said:
Funniest line: Quinn insults Shaun Smith's wife and Shaun Smith holds ice to Quinn's eye.Does this sound...
A - Realistic?
B - Like Shaun Smith's humorously slanted take on the altercation?
Funny. I actually heard that Smith called Anderson's dad a faggot, then Quinn picked Smith up, spun him around, and bounced him off a wall... then cradled Smith while he cried and peed his pants.
Shaun Smith really fermented this season after a promising finish to 2007. It's too bad he waited until AFTER the game to use his energy - if he even dressed. I've heard that's coaching and character has ZERO to do with it.
Like Quinn or hate him - Dency was hilarious! After 2 years of 1st round commitment - we have 2 assessments of Quinn going into his 3rd season. Unfortunately, this means we find out in season #3 if this was right or wrong because Dumb and Dumber were walking the plank with Dumb Ass. And YES folks, your GMs have a say in WHO starts at QB unless you firmly believe Parcells says "yes dear" to the guy he hired. But you can prolly visulaize that 1 minute interview: what I say goes okay? "Yes sir!" You're hired!
Franchise QBs are usually determined by a tag-team HC and GM. ALOT of your GMs have a say BUT I'm sure the experienced HC's get more say than first time HC's.
- Tom F, (There's playoff teams like Indy, TN and NE that aren't using injuries as excuses for their GMs because have solid depth ready to rock)
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@shepwrite said:
Funniest line: Quinn insults Shaun Smith's wife and Shaun Smith holds ice to Quinn's eye.Does this sound...
A - Realistic?
B - Like Shaun Smith's humorously slanted take on the altercation?
Funny. I actually heard that Smith called Anderson's dad a faggot, then Quinn picked Smith up, spun him around, and bounced him off a wall... then cradled Smith while he cried and peed his pants.
Funniest Line.......
This is the best AND first hit Shaun Smith has had on a quarterback all year!!!!!
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@shepwrite said:
Quinn was "soft" for calling out a 350 pound DT?Uhhhh... "soft" must mean something else where you're from.
Why are you dissing Quinn for standing up for his teammates? I don't get it. Seriously. Sounds like a leader to me. Do you want him to be...
Crap. What word do you use for "soft" since you use "soft" to mean "tough?"
Assuming that all of the assumptions are correct regarding the cause of the fight, it depends on how it went down. If Quinn went to him and said, "Hey, it's not cool to throw your team under the bus like that," only to have Smith go nuts on him and escalate the situation, that's one thing. If he went into the weight room and got into Smith's face, then it's a kid with two and a half games under his belt and a Mark of the Beast passer rating getting in a veteran's face and essentially saying, "This is my team," which is another matter altogether.
Dennis
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@shepwrite said:
Quinn was "soft" for calling out a 350 pound DT?Uhhhh... "soft" must mean something else where you're from.
Why are you dissing Quinn for standing up for his teammates? I don't get it. Seriously. Sounds like a leader to me. Do you want him to be...
Crap. What word do you use for "soft" since you use "soft" to mean "tough?"
Assuming that all of the assumptions are correct regarding the cause of the fight, it depends on how it went down. If Quinn went to him and said, "Hey, it's not cool to throw your team under the bus like that," only to have Smith go nuts on him and escalate the situation, that's one thing. If he went into the weight room and got into Smith's face, then it's a kid with two and a half games under his belt and a Mark of the Beast passer rating getting in a veteran's face and essentially saying, "This is my team," which is another matter altogether.
Dennis
Assuming that all of the assumptions are correct regarding the cause of the fight, it depends on how it went down. If Quinn went to him and said, "Hey, it's not cool to throw your team under the bus like that," only to have Smith go nuts on him and escalate the situation, that's one thing. If he went into the weight room and got into Smith's face, then it's a kid with two and a half games under his belt and a Mark of the Beast passer rating getting in a veteran's face and essentially saying, "This is my team," which is another matter altogether.
Dennis
Dinkins and a few other players plus in house media (Knott) have already said Smith was running his mouth (as usual) and when Quinn shot back at him about throwing teammates under the bus, Smith took exception and went after Quinn.
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Aloysius said:
Well, at least she's a better reporter than this guy:You know you've done something incredibly dumb when Terry Bradshaw's calling you an idiot.
You know, Aloy, I don't TOTALLY disagree with what that reporter did. He was getting bullshit answers from that coach, and he grew some balls and kept ragging the coach about the bullshit answers he was getting.
I've been dying to see that kind of thing in Cleveland for a long, long time. God forbid any Cleveland media member ask any sort of important, balsy question to Romeo and demand an answer.
You know, Aloy, I don't TOTALLY disagree with what that reporter did. He was getting bullshit answers from that coach, and he grew some balls and kept ragging the coach about the bullshit answers he was getting.
Except he wasn't doing any of that. He was going for a funny:
"My attempt at humor may have seemed slighted, cruel, and even insensitive. For that, I apologize"
He explains as much in his column after the incident:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...386/OPINION0314
No, Rob Parker didn't grow balls on Sunday. He's been using the "controversy sells" angle for many moons. He was the guy who called Hank Aaron a coward for not jumping with glee when Bonds broke his record and he was the guy who made stuff up about Kirk Cousins being in a fight with MSU hockey players.
As is often the case, Posnanski had a terrific take on the situation:
Still there’s a pretty wide gulf between what’s funny in a bar or a living room or a press box and what’s funny right there in the moment, under the lights, with the father-in-law behind a microphone and still smarting a from a five-touchdown pounding that put him on the doorstep of the worst season in NFL history. I know Rob a little bit as a press-box acquaintance — and from what I know about him he’s a very nice guy — but, honestly, you need to have a little bully in you to ask that kind of kick-the-dog question at that particular moment. It didn’t make any of us look very good.
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/12/23...arker-question/
Beanpot
http://adayinthelifeindc.wordpress.com/200...rd-i-think-not/
http://deadspin.com/5070391/a-detroit-colu...f-up-surely-not
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I agree with Beans. He prefaced the question with something about "injecting some levity" into the situation, or something like that. Then he didn't ask about the DC, he asked about Marinelli's daughter marrying the DC--completely different.
The hack did several things wrong in the situation:
1) Inject some levity? The team just lost to go 0-15. Up yours, schmuck.
2) He "jokingly" questioned Marinelli's daughter's judgment. Up yours, schmuck.
3) As he later admitted, he had tried the angle before. Again, up yours, schmuck.
4) Despite the situation, as he (again) later admitted, he thought that it would be one more opportunity for Marinelli to join in on the joke. Really? The team just lost by 35 points and now the coach will want to join your comedy routine?
Let's face it: when the uber-hacks on Around the Horn all agree that you're in the wrong, that's pretty much case closed; Mariotti will stand up for reporters doing anything up to and including raping players' and coaches' pets.
The whole thing is symptomatic of two major problems with sportswriters nowadays:
1) They want to be part of the story. The idiot in Detroit gets to be the center of attention.
2) Many of them are way too lazy. Terry Pluto--you know, the good one at the PD--wrote after the game about being tired of going to pressers and hearing about the team trying to get better in practice. In Knoxville this year, the writers whined about Phil Fulmer saying that the team would go over the tapes and try to get better in practice. Too boring, too predictable. The writers never really explain what they want to hear, though: do they want the coaches to show up for pressers in black turtlenecks and berets and explain how the loss reflects the death--of a game, of a season, of a life, of man...man? Do they want the coach to say that all is lost? That all is well?
Here's an idea: you're a professional writer, and you write four columns a week ripping players who complain about their jobs. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR JOB WITH THE FIFTH COLUMN! You cover the country's most popular sport, and you act as though you're personally injured when the coach doesn't write your column for you by coming out and telling jokes? ("42-7? After that game, I've got a sorer butt than a mute who was in jail the night of Stonewall. But seriously, guys, our QB broke his leg in three places, so we're putting him on IR...")
Dennis
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From PFT:
NOTRE DAME DISS STARTED SMITH-QUINN FRACAS?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 23, 2008, 7:17 p.m.
The one detail that has yet to come to light in the wake of the much-publicized melee between Browns defensive lineman Shaun Smith and starting quarterback Brady Quinn is the cause of the brouhaha.
Per a league source, the thing got rolling because Smith was razzing Quinn about the performance of Notre Dame football and coach Charlie Weis.
After Quinn returned fire, the thing turned physical.
Neither Smith nor Quinn have addressed the situation, which is only reinforcing the notion that the reports of an altercation are true.
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Smith needs to realize 1) his Gamecocks won one more game than the Irish, 2) he isn't good enough a football player to be this big of a dickhead.
Between the whole being cut by the Saints a day after he was caught eating in the Atlanta press room before a game thing, the Chad Johnson/Marvin Lewis thing, and now this shit, we know for a fact this guy's a fcuking idiot. Combined with the fact he didn't do a damn thing for us this season and the rumors he was dogging it, I can't see him coming back (and that's putting it nicely).
Adieu, Shaun.
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Smith needs to realize 1) his Gamecocks won one more game than the Irish, 2) he isn't good enough a football player to be this big of a dickhead.
Between the whole being cut by the Saints a day after he was caught eating in the Atlanta press room before a game thing, the Chad Johnson/Marvin Lewis thing, and now this shit, we know for a fact this guy's a fcuking idiot. Combined with the fact he didn't do a damn thing for us this season and the rumors he was dogging it, I can't see him coming back (and that's putting it nicely).
Adieu, Shaun.
mz. said:
Smith needs to realize 1) his Gamecocks won one more game than the Irish, 2) he isn't good enough a football player to be this big of a dickhead.Between the whole being cut by the Saints a day after he was caught eating in the Atlanta press room before a game thing, the Chad Johnson/Marvin Lewis thing, and now this shit, we know for a fact this guy's a fcuking idiot. Combined with the fact he didn't do a damn thing for us this season and the rumors he was dogging it, I can't see him coming back (and that's putting it nicely).
Adieu, Shaun.
Doesn't it just make sense that Quinn was the ONLY QB that Tons-of-buns hit all season and it wasn't even on the football field? Looks like Smitty won his bet with Corey Williams on who hits more QBs UNLESS Corey Williams blind sides Derek Anderson in the weight room. Then we've got a tie on our hands and with Ken Dorsey looking like he's never seen a weight room to complicate the tie breaker. Stay tuned though because our dline is FINALLY hitting QBs. Who cares if they all got off the short bus - they NOW know they're supposed to HIT the QB after 15 games, training camp and countless mini-camps. This has contract extension from Opie written all over it. Everybody loves a Jed Clampett story - what's not to like about a simple basterd sleep walking his way into millions of dollars? The only problem is we've got too many Jed Clampetts suiting up for games on Sundays so things like knowing where to lineup sort of kick us right between the lookers too many times for comfort.
- Tom F. (Maybe they'll let us replace our zeros on the scoreboard with "yaaa, but 5 guys in the 2007 Pro Bowl!")
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