Odds of winning the 2011 season Super Bowl

The Gipper

Your NY Times blog also specifically states that it was a 2010 preseason poll. It was written before the 2010 season started and didn't take anything into account that happened last year. Of the two I posted, one was from a December 2010 article and the other from a preseason 2011 article.

nickers

Homotron said:
Hey numb nuts I've already alluded to the fact that Miller doesn't put up huge numbers because of the way our offense operates. It doesn't mean he's not capable. He's the most complete TE in the league, the Steelers just don't use TE's in the same capacity as other teams. He put up more pass heavy numbers in 09. Eric Green mentioned in this same article was the last te even used in a more pass heavy capacity. Put the guy on a TE pass heavy team and he puts up monster numbers every year. He can also block like a lineman and is easily one the highest character guys in the league. I guess you can't read. The article also shows just how few have made the pro bowl from the TE position on the Steelers. All of which directly points to my "style of offense" statement. I don't think anyone in Pittsburgh or on the Steelers cares if he makes the pro bowl. We make Super Bowls because of players like Heath Miller. You can have the Pro Bowl lol. Our guys usually don't play when nominated anyway. They have more important games to play.

Oh yeah what SB did you guys win this year?...oh thats right...YOU LOST!...the fact is...NO ONE GIVES A F'UCK WHAT YOU THINK!...you havent figured that out yet..Its funny watching you try spin everythi8ng to your liking...But hey keep the laughs comming Homotard...typical kid...LOL!

FearTheRoo

Guys...no matter what, Steelers fans will say that all of their players are better than ours. They cannot accept the fact that we have better players at some positions.

Now I will admit their WR's are better and yes their D-Line and LB's are..

But some here's some amusing ones I've heard from the idiots:

Miller>Watson

Taylor>Haden

Clark>Ward

Mendenhall>Hillis

Sepulveda>Hodges

But my favorite two:

Sanders>Cribbs

Starks>Thomas

They believe that all 22 starters should be named to the pro bowl and eventually hall of fame. haha makes me laugh just listening to their stupid explanations. Homotron is just proving this...

Vagitron

mikeyP72 said:
He went to Wallace twice with the SB on the line. If Miller is a surer target then that's a no brainer right?
Must be Rocket Science to Big Gay Ben.

Face it, Heath Miller is average.

Is Mike Wallace a bum all of the sudden? Once again one time out and Miller isn't running away from anyone after the catch. Wallace can and usually does. I'd go to Wallace as well as would any QB in the same situation. If Sanders didn't break his foot early in the game he may have seen the ball before Miller as well. No timeouts means you need big chunks and teams clamp down on Miller because they know he's the sure fire target down the middle. HOWEVER Ben missed Heath Miller wide open TWICE on that final drive so it's more on Ben not seeing Miller than it is Ben choosing not to go to Miller. Apparently Ben also didn't realize we had one timeout on the final drive. Definitely some blunders with the game on the line and one of the reasons we lost.

And Nickers you mouth breathing imbecile I know the Steelers lost the Super Bowl. I'm not here claiming different but hey at least we made it to the Super Bowl in the "meltdown year" lmao. Meltdown all around. lol

Vagitron

@feartheroo said:
Guys...no matter what, Steelers fans will say that all of their players are better than ours. They cannot accept the fact that we have better players at some positions.
Now I will admit their WR's are better and yes their D-Line and LB's are..

But some here's some amusing ones I've heard from the idiots:

Miller>Watson

Taylor>Haden

Clark>Ward

Mendenhall>Hillis

Sepulveda>Hodges

But my favorite two:

Sanders>Cribbs

Starks>Thomas

They believe that all 22 starters should be named to the pro bowl and eventually hall of fame. haha makes me laugh just listening to their stupid explanations. Homotron is just proving this...

Jesus you're kidding right? The top section is 100% correct. Cribbs isn't a good receiver, he's a great returner and athlete. The Sanders/Cribbs comparison is then debatable based on what area of the game you're drawing comparison. Sanders is a better WR but not a better returner and I'd take Joe Thomas 10 times out of 10 over Starks even though Thomas is a hold machine. I can't believe you'd even disagree with the above section homer or not. Sep is injury prone so that's a tough one but otherwise you're insane to imply anything different than what you posted above. Yet I'm the delusional one. Send that to one of the ESPN analysts that do a weekly mailbag next offseason. See what they have to say about it.

I do like Peyton Hillis and Ward for that matter but Ward is no where near as cerebral and Hillis IS NOT Rashard Mendenhall. Hillis is a bruiser back. His feet are no where close, his speed no where close. His vision no where close. His catching no where close. Hell his blocking isn't even as good. Mendenhall is a tremendous tailback and will only get better. Hillis was running through bus lanes. Mendenhall was making his lanes. The Browns base just better hope we don't draft a top tier guard. See Mike Pouncey because then he will have the holes and you're defenders will be "hanging on" and taking a ride.

The Gipper

I do like Peyton Hillis and Ward for that matter but Ward is no where near as cerebral and Hillis IS NOT Rashard Mendenhall. Hillis is a bruiser back. His feet are no where close, his speed no where close. His vision no where close. His catching no where close. Hell his blocking isn't even as good. Mendenhall is a tremendous tailback and will only get better. Hillis was running through bus lanes. Mendenhall was making his lanes.

Again, all seen through piss colored glasses. They have slightly different styles, but Hillis is every bit the RB that Mendenhall is if not better. Hillis showed tremendous feet and vision. I don't know about the speed. Hillis never got caught much from behind. And how the hell does someone get the reputation as a "bruiser" if all he is doing is running through bus lanes? He made his lanes.

And his catching and blocking were far better than Mendenhall. Let's just look at their stats from last year:

Hillis

277 carries

1177 yards

11 TDs

4.4 yards per carry

61 receptions

477 yards on receptions

2 TDs receiving

Mendenhall

324 carries

1273 yards

13 TDs

3.9 per carry

23 receptions

167 yards on receptions

0 TDs

The Steelers certainly had many areas on their team where their talent surpassed the Browns. Running back and Tight End were not two of those areas. (nor was the OL, but clearly WR, QB, DL, LB were. DBs probably somewhat as well, but not by that much)

The Gipper

Vision, speed, nimbleness, athleticism, catching ability etc. etc.

Vagitron

@the-gipper said:
I do like Peyton Hillis and Ward for that matter but Ward is no where near as cerebral and Hillis IS NOT Rashard Mendenhall. Hillis is a bruiser back. His feet are no where close, his speed no where close. His vision no where close. His catching no where close. Hell his blocking isn't even as good. Mendenhall is a tremendous tailback and will only get better. Hillis was running through bus lanes. Mendenhall was making his lanes.
Again, all seen through piss colored glasses. They have slightly different styles, but Hillis is every bit the RB that Mendenhall is if not better. Hillis showed tremendous feet and vision. I don't know about the speed. Hillis never got caught much from behind. And how the hell does someone get the reputation as a "bruiser" if all he is doing is running through bus lanes? He made his lanes.

And his catching and blocking were far better than Mendenhall. Let's just look at their stats from last year:

Hillis

277 carries

1177 yards

11 TDs

4.4 yards per carry

61 receptions

477 yards on receptions

2 TDs receiving

Mendenhall

324 carries

1273 yards

13 TDs

3.9 per carry

23 receptions

167 yards on receptions

0 TDs

The Steelers certainly had many areas on their team where their talent surpassed the Browns. Running back and Tight End were not two of those areas. (nor was the OL, but clearly WR, QB, DL, LB were. DBs probably somewhat as well, but not by that much)

Gipper why are you wasting your time here?

A. You know I'm not going to agree with you

B. How many first rounders do you have on your offensive line? and Steinbech is certainly no slouch. Now go to our o-line and look how many first rounds we have and then report back.

Hillis had school bus sized holes on several occasions in each and every game played. Mendenhall is a worlds better RB and will prove that are our o-line improves. I can't believe anyone is even making the comparison. It's hilarious. Take the Brown and Orange glasses off.

bringbackbrownie2

Homotron said:

Gipper why are you wasting your time here?

A steeler fan telling a browns fan that he is "wasting his time" on a BROWNS BOARD? Hysterical!!

Vagitron

Fair enough. I know I'm in hostile territory. It's something I've never denied and I expect to be hated/infamous whatever. However what I do know is that Peyton Hillis is in no way, shape or form a better HB than Rashard Mendenhall and you won't find a person outside of Cleveland that will agree. The same can be said for the Miller vs Watson debacle.

nickers

mikeyP72 said:
You steeler fans are honestly the dumbest people I've ever interacted with in my entire life. Especially Homotron. Go xxxx yourself.

Mikey...dont waste time arguing with a pompouse meathead that already has it in his mind hes right no matter what evidence you provide that shows otherwise...his M.O. here is to simply get under peoples skin if he can. I mean ok Mendenhall is a nice running back but hes nowhere near on Peyton Hillis level..Peyton does it all ..and does it with speed and brute force. Peyton mauls people...Mendenhall does not. That to me is the big differance....The problem with Homotard is hes young and educated and thinks just by happenstance he knows more than anyone wich is typical of the Y generation. Homotard doesnt realize alot of us were watching football long before he was a zygote in his Mamas womb...Ive seen the LeRoy Kellys and Larry Csonkas...and Mendenpoop couldnt carry thier jock. Its hilariouse...his feathers have been ruffled since the day Kathy owned his ass on another thread...AND YES SHE OWNED YOUR ASS!!...

Vagitron

@nickers said:
Mikey...dont waste time arguing with a pompouse meathead that already has it in his mind hes right no matter what evidence you provide that shows otherwise...his M.O. here is to simply get under peoples skin if he can. I mean ok Mendenhall is a nice running back but hes nowhere near on Peyton Hillis level..Peyton does it all ..and does it with speed and brute force. Peyton mauls people...Mendenhall does not. That to me is the big differance....The problem with Homotard is hes young and educated and thinks just by happenstance he knows more than anyone wich is typical of the Y generation. Homotard doesnt realize alot of us were watching football long before he was a zygote in his Mamas womb...Ive seen the LeRoy Kellys and Larry Csonkas...and Mendenpoop couldnt carry thier jock. Its hilariouse...his feathers have been ruffled since the day Kathy owned his ass on another thread...AND YES SHE OWNED YOUR ASS!!...

I'm not a kid. I'll be 29 in September. Kathy didn't own anything. She just looked like a self righteous hypocrite and either very naive or completely delusional. Peyton Hillis is a nice running back but he's not the athlete Mendenhall is, he doesn't have the feet or the speed. He also doesn't have the vision and Mendenhall is a very good receiver. We just don't throw to our half backs much. I'm also not here to "get under peoples skin" even though I do that's never been my intent. What I speak is my opinion and I came to this board years ago for division news and some healthy debate. I actually got it from a few and grew to really appreciate their perspective. Alo for example always had great and very informative posts, sadly he no longer frequents this board and for good reason. It's become increasingly ridiculous, not because of the "steeler trolls" but rather the constantly over the top and obnoxious Browns masses. Now for a brief aside. There is a spell check on this message board. It does it automatically. How the HELL do you butcher that many words and still follow through with the post? All it does is diminish your already weak existence on this message board. I was born from a long line of Steeler diehards so while I didn't watch the Steelers in the 70's I was certainly told plenty and went back and watched all the old games, read the books and live and breath Steeler football to this day. I don't need your approval or your weak attempts at criticism. You really aren't worth the effort but boredom does on occasion get the best of me and you're a damn moron. I had to reply.

CLEVELandMILIDH

My Homotron impression

nickers

Homotron said:
I'm not a kid. I'll be 29 in September. Kathy didn't own anything. She just looked like a self righteous hypocrite and either very naive or completely delusional. Peyton Hillis is a nice running back but he's not the athlete Mendenhall is, he doesn't have the feet or the speed. He also doesn't have the vision and Mendenhall is a very good receiver. We just don't throw to our half backs much. I'm also not here to "get under peoples skin" even though I do that's never been my intent. What I speak is my opinion and I came to this board years ago for division news and some healthy debate. I actually got it from a few and grew to really appreciate their perspective. Alo for example always had great and very informative posts, sadly he no longer frequents this board and for good reason. It's become increasingly ridiculous, not because of the "steeler trolls" but rather the constantly over the top and obnoxious Browns masses. Now for a brief aside. There is a spell check on this message board. It does it automatically. How the HELL do you butcher that many words and still follow through with the post? All it does is diminish your already weak existence on this message board. I was born from a long line of Steeler diehards so while I didn't watch the Steelers in the 70's I was certainly told plenty and went back and watched all the old games, read the books and live and breath Steeler football to this day. I don't need your approval or your weak attempts at criticism. You really aren't worth the effort but boredom does on occasion get the best of me and you're a damn moron. I had to reply.

29...that explains it...no matter what you say...or how you spin it..you will alwqays be the moron here...I dont have to prove that because you already do that yourself...I paid My dues in life I dont need to prove a goodamn thing to a punk kid like you...I dont care what you say...Hillis is twice the back Menden poop is...you can wear blinders if you like...I saw Csonka and Kelly I didnt have to read books and have ppl tell Me...thats the differance between you and I

nickers

Homotron said:
I'm not a kid. I'll be 29 in September. Kathy didn't own anything. She just looked like a self righteous hypocrite and either very naive or completely delusional. Peyton Hillis is a nice running back but he's not the athlete Mendenhall is, he doesn't have the feet or the speed. He also doesn't have the vision and Mendenhall is a very good receiver. We just don't throw to our half backs much. I'm also not here to "get under peoples skin" even though I do that's never been my intent. What I speak is my opinion and I came to this board years ago for division news and some healthy debate. I actually got it from a few and grew to really appreciate their perspective. Alo for example always had great and very informative posts, sadly he no longer frequents this board and for good reason. It's become increasingly ridiculous, not because of the "steeler trolls" but rather the constantly over the top and obnoxious Browns masses. Now for a brief aside. There is a spell check on this message board. It does it automatically. How the HELL do you butcher that many words and still follow through with the post? All it does is diminish your already weak existence on this message board. I was born from a long line of Steeler diehards so while I didn't watch the Steelers in the 70's I was certainly told plenty and went back and watched all the old games, read the books and live and breath Steeler football to this day. I don't need your approval or your weak attempts at criticism. You really aren't worth the effort but boredom does on occasion get the best of me and you're a damn moron. I had to reply.

29...that explains it...no matter what you say...or how you spin it..you will alwqays be the moron here...I dont have to prove that because you already do that yourself...I paid My dues in life I dont need to prove a goodamn thing to a punk kid like you...I dont care what you say...Hillis is twice the back Menden poop is...you can wear blinders if you like...I saw Csonka and Kelly I didnt have to read books and have ppl tell Me...thats the differance between you and I

nickers

Homotron said:
I'm not a kid. I'll be 29 in September. Kathy didn't own anything. She just looked like a self righteous hypocrite and either very naive or completely delusional. Peyton Hillis is a nice running back but he's not the athlete Mendenhall is, he doesn't have the feet or the speed. He also doesn't have the vision and Mendenhall is a very good receiver. We just don't throw to our half backs much. I'm also not here to "get under peoples skin" even though I do that's never been my intent. What I speak is my opinion and I came to this board years ago for division news and some healthy debate. I actually got it from a few and grew to really appreciate their perspective. Alo for example always had great and very informative posts, sadly he no longer frequents this board and for good reason. It's become increasingly ridiculous, not because of the "steeler trolls" but rather the constantly over the top and obnoxious Browns masses. Now for a brief aside. There is a spell check on this message board. It does it automatically. How the HELL do you butcher that many words and still follow through with the post? All it does is diminish your already weak existence on this message board. I was born from a long line of Steeler diehards so while I didn't watch the Steelers in the 70's I was certainly told plenty and went back and watched all the old games, read the books and live and breath Steeler football to this day. I don't need your approval or your weak attempts at criticism. You really aren't worth the effort but boredom does on occasion get the best of me and you're a damn moron. I had to reply.

29...that explains it...no matter what you say...or how you spin it..you will always be the moron here...I dont have to prove that because you already do that yourself...I paid My dues in life I dont need to prove a goodamn thing to a punk kid like you...I dont care what you say...Hillis is twice the back Mendenpoop is...you can wear blinders if you like...I saw Csonka and Kelly,I didnt have to read books and have people tell Me how good they were...thats the differance between you and I

Attn Mods: Can this weasel piss Mo'Fo...he adds nothing but rhetorical BS on this Forum.

Erie Dawg

@the-gipper said:
Vision, speed, nimbleness, athleticism, catching ability etc. etc.

Yeah and did you see all that piss poor blocking watson did?

Erie Dawg

Homotron said:
I do like Peyton Hillis and Ward for that matter but Ward is no where near as cerebral and Hillis IS NOT Rashard Mendenhall. Hillis is a bruiser back. His feet are no where close, his speed no where close. His vision no where close. His catching no where close. Hell his blocking isn't even as good. Mendenhall is a tremendous tailback and will only get better. Hillis was running through bus lanes. Mendenhall was making his lanes. The Browns base just better hope we don't draft a top tier guard. See Mike Pouncey because then he will have the holes and you're defenders will be "hanging on" and taking a ride.

I didn't see mendenhomo on the top 5 list.... what gives?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/608546-...0-season/page/2

Vagitron

@erie-dawg said:
I didn't see mendenhomo on the top 5 list.... what gives?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/608546-...0-season/page/2

I like Peyton Hillis and I've said that plenty before. However I can find several links that list Mendenhall inside the top 10 and leading in to the season he was always on the list for top 10 backs in the league. Since the Super Bowl loss I've been focused heavily on the draft and the lock out process so I'm not scouring the various news sources for "top 10 lists". I just know that Mendenhall's situation from a running stand point is less favorable and Bruce Arians our offensive coordinator is a detriment to the run game. It's one of the reasons he's so staunchly disliked. The left side of the Cleveland line is better and Vickers one of the best FB's in the game is usually leading the way. Bruce Arians doesn't believe in using a FB in our offense and we still don't have a true FB on the roster. I like Hillis. I just don't believe he's as good as Mendenhall and I'm not alone. Arians runs a very predictable rushing attack and Mendenhall still got it done.

Mendenhall > Hillis (my opinion obviously)

nickers

Homotron said:
I like Peyton Hillis and I've said that plenty before. However I can find several links that list Mendenhall inside the top 10 and leading in to the season he was always on the list for top 10 backs in the league. Since the Super Bowl loss I've been focused heavily on the draft and the lock out process so I'm not scouring the various news sources for "top 10 lists". I just know that Mendenhall's situation from a running stand point is less favorable and Bruce Arians our offensive coordinator is a detriment to the run game. It's one of the reasons he's so staunchly disliked. The left side of the Cleveland line is better and Vickers one of the best FB's in the game is usually leading the way. Bruce Arians doesn't believe in using a FB in our offense and we still don't have a true FB on the roster. I like Hillis. I just don't believe he's as good as Mendenhall and I'm not alone. Arians runs a very predictable rushing attack and Mendenhall still got it done.
Mendenhall > Hillis (my opinion obviously)

You're a fool...You really are a fool...but your right and ALL of us are wrong...wtg Sherlock...lmafaooo...You brouht stupidity to a new low...I congratulate you...Atleast your good at something.