Odds of winning the 2011 season Super Bowl

Slurp and Burp

and the Browns won 5 games. big whoop dee doo.

FearTheRoo

@slurp-and-burp said:
and the Browns won 5 games. big whoop dee doo.

and the Steelers lost to the Packers and the Pirates have been irrelevant for 20 years. big whoop dee doo

Slurp and Burp

and the Browns big bad tough football team has never even set foot in a Super Bowl game let alone win 6 Super Bowls like the Steelers have done.

We have played in 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them. Now go eat a moon pie and cry in your beer.

sucks to be you.

nickers

Homotron said:
And Ben Watson has less yards and less TD's than Miller over the length of his career with ONE MORE SEASON than Miller. Argument ended. The Stats don't lie
Get over it.

Theres actually times id love to cut you some slack but your cry baby rant on Miller..just keeps Me from letting it happen...please...do the Browns and Stooler nation a favor and dive off a cliff...because you're an embarrasment to your own bretheren even....

dawgpound3

@slurp-and-burp said:
and the Browns big bad tough football team has never even set foot in a Super Bowl game let alone win 6 Super Bowls like the Steelers have done.
We have played in 8 Super Bowls and won 6 of them. Now go eat a moon pie and cry in your beer.

sucks to be you.

And the Pirates haven't won a world series since 1979

Sucks to be you bitchzz

dawgpound3

Miller and Watson are both great blockers but Watson is the better receiving tight end. End of argument.

Slurp and Burp

and the Pirates who blow still have won more World Series Titles than the Indians. We have won 5 you have only won 2..

Even the Pirates put your town to shame..

@dawgpound3 said:
And the Pirates haven't won a world series since 1979
Sucks to be you bitchzz

nickers

@dawgpound3 said:
Miller and Watson are both great blockers but Watson is the better receiving tight end. End of argument.

not only the better the better recieving TE but has MORE speed and is MORE athletic.

dawgpound3

@slurp-and-burp said:
and the Pirates who blow still have won more World Series Titles than the Indians. We have won 5 you have only won 2..
Even the Pirates put your town to shame..

Least we've had a winning season in 2007 and sniffed the playoffs while your Pirates haven't had a winning season in 18 years, which is crazy.

Vagitron

@nickers said:
Theres actually times id love to cut you some slack but your cry baby rant on Miller..just keeps Me from letting it happen...please...do the Browns and Stooler nation a favor and dive off a cliff...because you're an embarrasment to your own bretheren even....

Yo Nickers I don't want your slack nor have I ever asked for it. It's not even a cry baby rant on Heath Miller but rather a realistic take on Ben Watson who couldn't find a team outside of the Browns to sign him.

Slurp and Burp

Let's compare both cities and their respective teams in terms of recognized championships. By this I mean NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL.

Pittsburgh NFL Championships (6), Cleveland (4)

Pittsburgh MLB ( World Series) (5), Cleveland (2)

Pittsburgh NHL (Stanley Cups) (3), Cleveland does not have a hockey team.

Cleveland Cavaliers NBA titles (0), Pittsburgh does not have an NBA team.

So when you add it all up Pittsburgh simply dominates the city of Cleveland in terms of "just being a better and smarter city" in terms of bringing the bacon home.

Vagitron

@slurp-and-burp said:
So when you add it all up Pittsburgh simply dominates the city of Cleveland in terms of "just being a better and smarter city" in terms of bringing the bacon home.

Lol at the "better and smarter city" comment.

FearTheRoo

If Cleveland is so terrible, why do you idiots spend your entire lives on this site? haha

dawgpound3

@feartheroo said:
If Cleveland is so terrible, why do you idiots spend your entire lives on this site? haha

Charley Barkleyized: If Clevelund is so terruble then why do you idiots spend yur entire lives on this site?

Vagitron

@feartheroo said:
If Cleveland is so terrible, why do you idiots spend your entire lives on this site? haha

1. Mozilla Firefox

2. Tabs

3. Boredom throughout the work week

4. Smart phone/lap top

Entire lives he says. I have more important sh.it to do than to sit on here all day but when I'm bored it's usually tabbed. Sue me.

DieHardBrownsFan

Homotron said:
1. Mozilla Firefox
2. Tabs

3. Boredom throughout the work week

4. Smart phone/lap top

Entire lives he says. I have more important sh.it to do than to sit on here all day but when I'm bored it's usually tabbed. Sue me.

Because he's a no life boring tweeb.

Vagitron

Zombo said:
That is just an insane premise. We have one of the best GM in all of football, Watson was the top all-around TE free agent, and Heckert went out and got him. Then ... Watson exceeded expectations making Heckert look like even more of a genius ... and you turn this into a negative??
Zombo

Did I say it was a negative? Watson didn't garner a ton of interest was my point. He has exceeded expectations and good on the front office. We'll see if he continues with that level of production. His career stats suggest otherwise.

Slurp and Burp

Watson will not have big numbers this year because Colt McCoy is injury prone and cannot take a hit. He will get injured playing in the AC North. If you look at what he did in the BCS Game against Alabama you can see why. The guy wimped out of the biggest college game of his career after the medical staff indicated that there wasn't anything wrong with him.

FearTheRoo

@slurp-and-burp said:
Watson will not have big numbers this year because Colt McCoy is injury prone and cannot take a hit. He will get injured playing in the AC North. If you look at what he did in the BCS Game against Alabama you can see why. The guy wimped out of the biggest college game of his career after the medical staff indicated that there wasn't anything wrong with him.

X-Rays were negative, but the medical staff determined he had a sprained throwing arm. Colt said he couldn't even feel the arm, but was willing to play until the coaches and medical staff told him not to jeopardize his future. Then he spent the off-season rehabbing his arm (which was documented on the NFL Network a few days ago).

Try doing some research before you speak...

SJ_Browns

Zombo said:
I think the premise was who is the better tight end right now ... or, more to the fact, that you fell Ben Watson is currently the worst starting TE in the AFC North. It doesn't concern his New England years any more than his concerns his college years ... you are saying he is currently the worst tight end in the division.
However, the fine folks at Football Outsiders has done the homework for us ... and let's see what they say about CURRENT (2010 Season ... yes that is as current as you get) Tight ends:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te

RECEIVING: Minimum 25 passes, 45 players ranked

Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch

Rate FUM

A.Gates SD 371 1 370 1 79.5% 1 79.3% 65 782 1,169 10 77% 0

R.Gronkowski NE 249 2 243 2 53.2% 3 51.9% 59 546 888 10 71% 1

J.Witten DAL 216 3 220 3 18.9% 15 19.5% 128 1002 1,162 9 73% 1

V.Davis SF 207 4 209 4 27.5% 10 27.8% 93 914 954 7 60% 0

A.Hernandez NE 160 5 162 5 30.8% 7 31.5% 64 563 701 6 70% 0

A.Fasano MIA 144 6 140 6 29.1% 8 27.9% 60 528 650 4 65% 0

K.Winslow TB 135 7 137 7 14.8% 16 15.1% 97 733 809 5 68% 1

T.Heap BAL 134 8 134 8 25.9% 11 26.0% 64 599 632 5 63% 1

B.Watson CLE 125 9 113 12 11.4% 20 9.6% 103 762 836 3 67% 0

J.Tamme IND 123 10 130 10 12.6% 19 13.7% 93 631 791 4 72% 0

M.Lewis JAC 123 11 132 9 13.0% 18 14.4% 88 700 781 10 66% 2

J.Dreessen HOU 120 12 121 11 28.6% 9 28.8% 54 518 545 4 67% 1

J.Finley GB 109 13 110 13 57.8% 2 58.4% 26 301 377 1 81% 0

T.Moeaki KC 98 14 97 16 13.9% 17 13.6% 72 557 604 3 65% 0

J.Graham NO 98 15 93 17 24.8% 12 23.4% 43 356 469 5 72% 1

Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch

Rate FUM

F.Davis WAS 97 16 99 15 40.0% 5 41.2% 30 316 383 3 70% 0

E.Moore CLE 83 17 80 19 41.5% 4 39.4% 26 323 326 1 62% 1

J.Cook TEN 82 18 88 18 23.5% 13 26.1% 45 361 401 1 64% 0

Z.Miller OAK 81 19 99 14 6.2% 22 9.3% 92 685 683 5 65% 1

B.Pettigrew DET 74 20 72 21 3.2% 24 3.0% 111 722 751 4 64% 0

T.Gonzalez ATL 72 21 68 23 2.2% 25 1.6% 109 656 799 6 64% 0

R.McMichael SD 69 22 72 20 31.1% 6 32.8% 27 221 303 2 74% 0

J.Shockey NO 65 23 71 22 8.8% 21 10.3% 59 409 484 3 69% 0

D.Clark IND 48 24 54 24 6.0% 23 7.6% 53 347 412 3 70% 0

Z.Miller JAC 44 25 49 25 19.1% 14 21.9% 26 216 236 1 77% 0

O.Daniels HOU 38 26 36 27 1.2% 26 0.7% 68 471 468 2 56% 0

H.Miller PIT 36 27 42 26 1.0% 27 2.4% 67 512 441 2 63% 1

D.Keller NYJ 31 28 28 28 -2.6% 31 -3.2% 101 687 637 5 54% 0

D.Walker SF 23 29 24 29 0.4% 28 0.7% 45 331 308 0 64% 1

D.Fells STL 19 30 20 30 -2.5% 30 -2.5% 65 391 389 2 63% 0

Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch

Rate FUM

A.Quarless GB 12 31 13 32 -2.0% 29 -1.8% 33 238 220 1 64% 1

K.Boss NYG 11 32 13 31 -4.9% 32 -4.4% 70 531 416 5 50% 1

V.Shiancoe MIN 6 33 1 34 -6.2% 33 -7.0% 79 530 445 2 59% 0

C.Cooley WAS 0 34 3 33 -7.3% 34 -6.9% 126 849 676 3 61% 3

B.Scaife TEN -13 35 -16 35 -11.0% 36 -11.8% 52 316 273 4 69% 2

B.Celek PHI -15 36 -19 36 -10.0% 35 -10.8% 80 511 423 4 53% 0

J.King CAR -23 37 -26 37 -17.5% 40 -18.9% 31 121 136 2 61% 0

J.Gresham CIN -33 38 -26 38 -13.0% 37 -11.9% 83 471 406 4 63% 2

D.Thomas NO -34 39 -35 41 -18.2% 41 -18.5% 46 219 190 2 65% 0

T.Scheffler DET -35 40 -35 40 -14.9% 38 -14.8% 72 378 307 1 63% 1

G.Olsen CHI -36 41 -27 39 -15.1% 39 -13.0% 70 404 310 5 59% 2

M.Bennett DAL -53 42 -57 42 -24.8% 42 -26.4% 47 262 138 0 70% 1

D.Rosario CAR -79 43 -91 44 -28.6% 43 -31.8% 58 264 139 0 55% 0

J.Carlson SEA -94 44 -85 43 -31.2% 44 -29.1% 58 318 125 1 53% 0

D.Graham DEN -133 45 -136 45 -60.7% 45 -61.9% 37 153 -80 0 49% 1

They've got Heap 8th, Watson 9th, Miller 26th, Gresham 36th. Heck, our second TE, Moore ranked ahead of both Miller and Gresham

Watson had 836 effective yards and a catch rate of 67%

Miller had 441 effective yards and a catch rate of 63%

Both guys are considered excellent blockers.

Why is Heath Miller better again?

Zombo

damn! nice work, zombo. but you and me both know these steeler dorks will continue to spin, spin, spin and argue in circles constantly avoiding your main topic. you've proven your point as others have previously in their own way. most of us never said ben was elite or a hof'er. we just said the guy is good and his stats prove that.

the reason why colt threw to him so much is because he was the only reliable person in the receiving corp. the reason why watson was reliable is because 1) he can get open. 2) he runs good routes. 3) he has good hands. there's nothing to really argue with there.