You Gotta Take Peterson at 6 If He Is There
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Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
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I agree. I'm cool with either Green or Peterson.
But in my opinion, Peterson is more of a sure thing (cornerbacks usually are) than AJ Green.
I think your right but it's not by much. Hell Amukamara actually has very little bust potential and is projected to be slightly better at coverage as Peterson, but Peterson is just a lightning fast giant who is a way better in run support as well.
I'm really kind of torn on this idea. I kind of agree with on the BPA idea, but I don't think you can overlook the idea of BPA AND filling the biggest needs of the team. You could disagree with me on this, but I think DE and WR are the two biggest needs on the team. I think a player that is being overlooked by some here is Robert Quinn from UNC. i know he had the issues in college, but before all that happened he was considered a top 3-5 talent. I'm not sold on him yet, but I think he could be great. I just hope AJ Green falls past the bengals, because I think that makes our pick pretty easy to make.
I really just think there is too much bust potential with him to justify taking him at 6 or in the top 15 at all. Only one productive year and a whole year spent suspended plus just because he is a freak athlete doesn't mean that he is going to bet great or even average for that matter as we all found out with Gholston. He's like a 50/50. I honestly think that he is going to be the free fall player this year.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I think your right but it's not by much. Hell Amukamara actually has very little bust potential and is projected to be slightly better at coverage as Peterson, but Peterson is just a lightning fast giant who is a way better in run support as well.I really just think there is too much bust potential with him to justify taking him at 6 or in the top 15 at all. Only one productive year and a whole year spent suspended plus just because he is a freak athlete doesn't mean that he is going to bet great or even average for that matter as we all found out with Gholston. He's like a 50/50. I honestly think that he is going to be the free fall player this year.
Amukamara is probably more of a sure-thing, but Peterson has a higher ceiling. Much better hips, and ridiculous burst, something Amukamara doesn't have. The problem with having Amukamara on the Browns is that he's too much like Haden with his style of play. He's not quite as physical, but he's not the speed beast that Haden is. Peterson would compliment him far better.
He's also proven himself in going up against AJ Green and Julio Jones.
Amukamara gets beat by speedsters who are great route-runners.
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Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Woooord.
As long as the Browns don't draft Marcell Dareus and Robert Quinn, i'm a happy guy.
Bowers isn't dropping to us. He's a sure thing for the top 3.
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The Browns will trade down before taking Peterson. It is nice to be able to take the best player available but that is not how the draft works out when you have holes. Since most teams now build there team through the draft you have to fill your roster.. I know some of you would love it if we drafted a corner in every round, but it doesnt make sense.
Until we improve our talent we will draft for talent and need.
its like us drafting a Left tackle because he is the best player available, would that make sense?
The Browns will trade down before taking Peterson. It is nice to be able to take the best player available but that is not how the draft works out when you have holes. Since most teams now build there team through the draft you have to fill your roster.. I know some of you would love it if we drafted a corner in every round, but it doesnt make sense.
Until we improve our talent we will draft for talent and need.
its like us drafting a Left tackle because he is the best player available, would that make sense?
I agree we could trade down, but we won't draft for need with that pick. I just read a article yesterday where Holmgren said we will take the best player on our board. Heckert has stated he goes BPA.
Free agency is where you fill holes. The draft is where you bring in the best talent you can....especially at the top of the draft.
Like I said in my previous post....you use mid rounders to fill holes in the roster if you are in that situation, and maybe use a 2nd rounder that way if you are really pressed, but if you start using first round picks to fill a need and pass on better players to fill that need, you are doomed to suck.
If you think that is the best way to draft, join a fantasy league of some sort and before the draft list all the starting positions in any order you want, then draft following that predetermined list.
I'll bet your team sucks.
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yea, i mean you guys could definitely be right. I'm going to reserve any type of judgment on him till he does the workouts and everything. I agree with you secondwave, but I think you have to look at it as this. We significantly upgraded DB last year right?. I understand we still need help there, but I just think we need more help in other areas. Like I said, if AJ green is there I think there's no doubt who we take, but if not there's a lot of players there who are up to debate to take.
The thing is, i hold a lot of my judgment until after the pro workouts. It's a lot of talks until the professionals look at people's workouts. and i hate mel kiper haha.
yea, i mean you guys could definitely be right. I'm going to reserve any type of judgment on him till he does the workouts and everything. I agree with you secondwave, but I think you have to look at it as this. We significantly upgraded DB last year right?. I understand we still need help there, but I just think we need more help in other areas. Like I said, if AJ green is there I think there's no doubt who we take, but if not there's a lot of players there who are up to debate to take.
The thing is, i hold a lot of my judgment until after the pro workouts. It's a lot of talks until the professionals look at people's workouts. and i hate mel kiper haha.
I agree that if it is Green there with Peterson, we go with Green 9 times out of 10 just based off of needs.
Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Of course, as I said I will be happy with who ever we take with the first pick just as long as they are not a huge stretch. But I honestly thing since Holmgren and Heckert are going BPA and that the secondary is still one of out needs, even though not our most demanding, that there is a good chance we take Peterson if he is available.
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No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
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No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
Dareus is severely overrated. I wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Fairley is ok but he'll be gone for sure by before the 3rd pick. Green, Bowers and Peterson should be the only 3 they should be looking at with the #6.
And it's been speculated, but that's all it is, speculation. Most of that speculation is that Peterson will move to safety later on in his career, a la Rod Woodson.
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No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
Dareus is severely overrated. I wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Fairley is ok but he'll be gone for sure by before the 3rd pick. Green, Bowers and Peterson should be the only 3 they should be looking at with the #6.
And it's been speculated, but that's all it is, speculation. Most of that speculation is that Peterson will move to safety later on in his career, a la Rod Woodson.
A lot of older CB spend the last few years at safety and it's expected that Brown will finish his career at safety, but I have yet to here anyone suggest the Peterson should be moved to safety. I have heard a lot of people say that he is a corner playing in the body of a safety, but not that he should switch positions. If we draft him is would serve us better to keep him at corner and switch Brown to safety so that our starters would be Haden, Peterson, Ward, and Brown and on nickle it would be Haden, Peterson, Brown at CB and Ward, Elam at safety.
I also agree that Dareus is over rated. He has had to solid years to Fairly's 1 but he has been injured off and on and like Fairly he has a lack of effort issue sometimes.
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No one has said what many a pundits have said that Peterson looks to be converted to Safety in the NFL. Much like Jenkins was from OSU for the Saints. Jenkins had a very good year this year and looks to be a very good FS in the NFL. I would draft Peterson at 6 as a safety and that is only if Fairley, Bowers, Darius and Green are all off the board by that time.
Dareus is severely overrated. I wouldn't go anywhere near him.
Fairley is ok but he'll be gone for sure by before the 3rd pick. Green, Bowers and Peterson should be the only 3 they should be looking at with the #6.
And it's been speculated, but that's all it is, speculation. Most of that speculation is that Peterson will move to safety later on in his career, a la Rod Woodson.
A lot of older CB spend the last few years at safety and it's expected that Brown will finish his career at safety, but I have yet to here anyone suggest the Peterson should be moved to safety. I have heard a lot of people say that he is a corner playing in the body of a safety, but not that he should switch positions. If we draft him is would serve us better to keep him at corner and switch Brown to safety so that our starters would be Haden, Peterson, Ward, and Brown and on nickle it would be Haden, Peterson, Brown at CB and Ward, Elam at safety.
I also agree that Dareus is over rated. He has had to solid years to Fairly's 1 but he has been injured off and on and like Fairly he has a lack of effort issue sometimes.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
A lot of older CB spend the last few years at safety and it's expected that Brown will finish his career at safety, but I have yet to here anyone suggest the Peterson should be moved to safety. I have heard a lot of people say that he is a corner playing in the body of a safety, but not that he should switch positions. If we draft him is would serve us better to keep him at corner and switch Brown to safety so that our starters would be Haden, Peterson, Ward, and Brown and on nickle it would be Haden, Peterson, Brown at CB and Ward, Elam at safety.I also agree that Dareus is over rated. He has had to solid years to Fairly's 1 but he has been injured off and on and like Fairly he has a lack of effort issue sometimes.
Yeah, trust me, Peterson won't move to safety. Not for another 8-10 years. The move from CB to S is usually only made in the early years of prospects who aren't projected to go in the 1st-2nd round. In that regard, most CBs make that move to lengthen their careers because they're in the tail-end of their athletic peak. Peterson moving to safety would be dumb, and quite frankly, drop his value.
Sheldon Brown is washed up. TJ Ward is a tad overrated by Browns fans, but he is a decent safety. Haden has the potential to be an all-pro corner, but it remains to be seen. The second year is usually a good measuring stick for a player's potential.
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I like Peterson alot and think he'd be great here but we'd have alot of money invested into are CB,dont get me wrong if we draft him ill be happy because to me him and Green are the surest thing in this draft...
Dareus-Overrated Played well Sophomore season 11 sacks, compared to this past season 2 1/2
Quinn-The guy hasnt played football in over a year and people wanna draft him with the 6 overall pick, no thanks
Miller-I think he is gonna be an absoulte beast at the next level, but would fit alot better in the 3-4 OLB scheme, although i like him as 4-3 OLB as well
Bowers-One year of great production and has great Size and speed..Still you never know look at Gaines Adams (RIP) never quite lived up to his potential
Fairley-I think he will be a great Pro but will be long gone by the time we pick, also has only one year of great production and has Charcater concerns
So give me Green or Peterson
Id like Miller if both are gone
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If Peterson is there at 6 you have to take him. Not only is he a shut down corner but he can do kick off and punt returns as well. This then would allows Cribbs to either concentrate on being a WR. Or, we can look into trading him to fill another position needed such as a DB, DL, RT, or Safety. I know this will not be a popular idea with most people since most fans consider him to be a scared cow on the Browns team.
If Peterson is there at 6 you have to take him. Not only is he a shut down corner but he can do kick off and punt returns as well. This then would allows Cribbs to either concentrate on being a WR. Or, we can look into trading him to fill another position needed such as a DB, DL, RT, or Safety. I know this will not be a popular idea with most people since most fans consider him to be a scared cow on the Browns team.
It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
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If Peterson is there at 6 you have to take him. Not only is he a shut down corner but he can do kick off and punt returns as well. This then would allows Cribbs to either concentrate on being a WR. Or, we can look into trading him to fill another position needed such as a DB, DL, RT, or Safety. I know this will not be a popular idea with most people since most fans consider him to be a scared cow on the Browns team.
It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
I understand that everyone has there opinions at this point and far be it from me to say your are stupid or wrong because they really are valid opinions, ones that I shared just a few short weeks ago, but this article basically points several things that Heckert is looking to do in the draft.
"If there's a really good one, you're not gonna pass on him," Heckert said. "So I think corner is just as good a possibility as anything. I go back to Philadel phia, where we had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, two Pro Bowl corners. We drafted Lito [sheppard] and Sheldon [brown] one, two in the same draft. I wouldn't have any problem with that. I mean you've got to have three corners."
So Heckert WILL take Peterson if he is available at 6 it is something along the lines that he has done before.
Heckert said the Browns are set at right, tackle with Tony Pashos, who went on injured reserve Oct. 20 with an ankle injury."We like Tony, we really do," Heckert said. "I thought Tony played really, really well before he got hurt. Tony's our starter."
We are more set at RT than alot of people think. This was something that I have been trying to point out all offseason but alot of people just would listen. Pashos is a good starter at RT and we will more than likely either draft a RT in the mid to late rounds to train to eventually take over in a season or two or sign a younger guy with so upside or another proven veteran. It is also possible that they train Lauvou to learn RT along with his LG spot, he has the smarts to do it and we also still have Womack who actually plays better at RT than at RG.
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It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
I understand that everyone has there opinions at this point and far be it from me to say your are stupid or wrong because they really are valid opinions, ones that I shared just a few short weeks ago, but this article basically points several things that Heckert is looking to do in the draft.
"If there's a really good one, you're not gonna pass on him," Heckert said. "So I think corner is just as good a possibility as anything. I go back to Philadel phia, where we had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, two Pro Bowl corners. We drafted Lito [sheppard] and Sheldon [brown] one, two in the same draft. I wouldn't have any problem with that. I mean you've got to have three corners."
So Heckert WILL take Peterson if he is available at 6 it is something along the lines that he has done before.
Heckert said the Browns are set at right, tackle with Tony Pashos, who went on injured reserve Oct. 20 with an ankle injury."We like Tony, we really do," Heckert said. "I thought Tony played really, really well before he got hurt. Tony's our starter."
We are more set at RT than alot of people think. This was something that I have been trying to point out all offseason but alot of people just would listen. Pashos is a good starter at RT and we will more than likely either draft a RT in the mid to late rounds to train to eventually take over in a season or two or sign a younger guy with so upside or another proven veteran. It is also possible that they train Lauvou to learn RT along with his LG spot, he has the smarts to do it and we also still have Womack who actually plays better at RT than at RG.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Your points debunkedI understand that everyone has there opinions at this point and far be it from me to say your are stupid or wrong because they really are valid opinions, ones that I shared just a few short weeks ago, but this article basically points several things that Heckert is looking to do in the draft.
"If there's a really good one, you're not gonna pass on him," Heckert said. "So I think corner is just as good a possibility as anything. I go back to Philadel phia, where we had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, two Pro Bowl corners. We drafted Lito [sheppard] and Sheldon [brown] one, two in the same draft. I wouldn't have any problem with that. I mean you've got to have three corners."
So Heckert WILL take Peterson if he is available at 6 it is something along the lines that he has done before.
Heckert said the Browns are set at right, tackle with Tony Pashos, who went on injured reserve Oct. 20 with an ankle injury."We like Tony, we really do," Heckert said. "I thought Tony played really, really well before he got hurt. Tony's our starter."
We are more set at RT than alot of people think. This was something that I have been trying to point out all offseason but alot of people just would listen. Pashos is a good starter at RT and we will more than likely either draft a RT in the mid to late rounds to train to eventually take over in a season or two or sign a younger guy with so upside or another proven veteran. It is also possible that they train Lauvou to learn RT along with his LG spot, he has the smarts to do it and we also still have Womack who actually plays better at RT than at RG.
That is draft posturing by heckert. what is he going to say, " no way we will draft him"
that would make no sense, cause you would lose any leverage for a trade. The draft is about having a poker face. Why do you think he is saying this?
Think about it, he says this, and lets say Peterson isnt draft and the cardinals are on the clock. Who's to say a team drafting in the bottom half of the top ten doesn't trade up for him. This is all about smoke screens.
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Hoorta.....ur talking about drafting for need.....something the brass has said publicly they will not do. Understand what that means....
Call it posturing if ya want....but drafting based on need is why most of our. 1st Rounders are not with the team. If pp is bpa at our pick u take him. Especially if the counterargument is to pass on superior talent to stretch on another player at a position of "greater" need
Bpa means bpa.......regardless of positional needs, further considering the depth of dl available in this draft.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Your points debunkedI understand that everyone has there opinions at this point and far be it from me to say your are stupid or wrong because they really are valid opinions, ones that I shared just a few short weeks ago, but this article basically points several things that Heckert is looking to do in the draft.
"If there's a really good one, you're not gonna pass on him," Heckert said. "So I think corner is just as good a possibility as anything. I go back to Philadel phia, where we had Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, two Pro Bowl corners. We drafted Lito [sheppard] and Sheldon [brown] one, two in the same draft. I wouldn't have any problem with that. I mean you've got to have three corners."
So Heckert WILL take Peterson if he is available at 6 it is something along the lines that he has done before.
Heckert said the Browns are set at right, tackle with Tony Pashos, who went on injured reserve Oct. 20 with an ankle injury."We like Tony, we really do," Heckert said. "I thought Tony played really, really well before he got hurt. Tony's our starter."
We are more set at RT than alot of people think. This was something that I have been trying to point out all offseason but alot of people just would listen. Pashos is a good starter at RT and we will more than likely either draft a RT in the mid to late rounds to train to eventually take over in a season or two or sign a younger guy with so upside or another proven veteran. It is also possible that they train Lauvou to learn RT along with his LG spot, he has the smarts to do it and we also still have Womack who actually plays better at RT than at RG.
That is draft posturing by heckert. what is he going to say, " no way we will draft him"
that would make no sense, cause you would lose any leverage for a trade. The draft is about having a poker face. Why do you think he is saying this?
Think about it, he says this, and lets say Peterson isnt draft and the cardinals are on the clock. Who's to say a team drafting in the bottom half of the top ten doesn't trade up for him. This is all about smoke screens.
That is draft posturing by heckert. what is he going to say, " no way we will draft him"
that would make no sense, cause you would lose any leverage for a trade. The draft is about having a poker face. Why do you think he is saying this?
Think about it, he says this, and lets say Peterson isnt draft and the cardinals are on the clock. Who's to say a team drafting in the bottom half of the top ten doesn't trade up for him. This is all about smoke screens.
Could be but he points out that he has gone CB 1st and 2nd pick in one draft while have 2 pro bowlers already on the roster, so ya he could just be playing a game a draft poker to maybe make a draft day trade to crab us alot of picks, but he could also just be saying that "hey I have done this before and I will do it again."
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Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
Do you mean that it is "mind boggling"? Not bottling? Usually it is alcoholics whose minds are "bottling".
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Really? You want him to be a big sperm donor? Maybe that is what you had in mind to bottle?
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If Peterson is there at 6 you have to take him. Not only is he a shut down corner but he can do kick off and punt returns as well. This then would allows Cribbs to either concentrate on being a WR. Or, we can look into trading him to fill another position needed such as a DB, DL, RT, or Safety. I know this will not be a popular idea with most people since most fans consider him to be a scared cow on the Browns team.
It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
The pundits disagree, I still see Peterson as a safety and hes a good slot at BPA at 6 and he also fills a need as well. Elam will be a very solid back up. Mark my words Peterson plays safety in the NFL...
Heres a link from the pundits
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, explaining that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ll-pro-safety/
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, adding that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
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QUOTE (WRREBEL @ Feb 24 2011, 11:26 PM)
Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
Do you mean that it is "mind boggling"? Not bottling? Usually it is alcoholics whose minds are "bottling".
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Really? You want him to be a big sperm donor? Maybe that is what you had in mind to bottle?
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Yeah, mind-bottling. You know, when things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle?
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I agree we need to take one of the aformentioned DL or Green ahead of Peterson but if they're gone and he's there we draft him to play safety.
The pundits disagree, I still see Peterson as a safety and hes a good slot at BPA at 6 and he also fills a need as well. Elam will be a very solid back up. Mark my words Peterson plays safety in the NFL...
Heres a link from the pundits
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, explaining that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ll-pro-safety/
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, adding that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
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It's not just unpopular- it's flat- out stupid. Sorry.
"We" have to take him? Sorry, "we" don't. Committing the cardinal sin of draftniks I see- falling in love with a player WAY too soon.
The Browns two most glaring weaknesses are a legit #1 WR, and a stud DL. A complimentary corner to Joe Hayden is WAY down on the needs. I'd even posit a stud RT is higher up on H&H's shopping list right now.
Let's see- two best corners in the league right now? Asomugah and Revis? Close enough? And Revis even had the not too shabby Cromartie opposite him. So where were they SB Sunday? Watching it on the tube, just like you and me. So quick just who are those super stud corners the Steelers and Packers have- I'll spot you the only guy (and he's at the downside of his career Woodson) you can even vaguely mention as a top shelf corner. The Giants beat the heavily favored Pats in the Super Bowl with who? at corner. Starting to get my drift? You can get by with AVERAGE CBs if your front seven is quite studly (just ask the Steelers and Giants).
Even if Peterson is the next Dion Sanders, he'll have less impact on the Browns success in 2011 than a TD scoring WR or a sack machine DL or LB. Why pass on a team when they rank 27th in the NFL in rush defense? Let's just run, and run some more on them.
I will absolutely guarantee you- if Green, Peterson, and a top shelf DL are all on the board when the Browns draft, there will be no way in HELL the Browns will take Peterson- even one or the other.
The pundits disagree, I still see Peterson as a safety and hes a good slot at BPA at 6 and he also fills a need as well. Elam will be a very solid back up. Mark my words Peterson plays safety in the NFL...
Heres a link from the pundits
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, explaining that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ll-pro-safety/
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, adding that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
The pundits disagree, I still see Peterson as a safety and hes a good slot at BPA at 6 and he also fills a need as well. Elam will be a very solid back up. Mark my words Peterson plays safety in the NFL...
Heres a link from the pundits
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, explaining that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ll-pro-safety/
Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.
On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, adding that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.
“He might be an All-Pro safety.”
Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.
A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.
Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.
Mkay. You can feel free to believe he'll switch to safety. Cause he won't.
He's got the ability of someone like Champ Bailey. IF he does switch to safety, it'll probably be in the latter part of his career. And while a couple of "pundits" suggest he switch to safety, many more think he'll be an all-pro CORNER.
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