The Official Nfl Cba/lockout Thread
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The death of the NFL, thanks guys a big FU to all the fans and everyone else associated. I think it might be time to move on from football
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I hate NFL owners. Period. The Browns hurt the most from this. New head coach, young QB, no communication. There goes our above .500 season.
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What does this mean as far as getting a deal done? Is it more likely to happen know that they can sue?
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What does this mean as far as getting a deal done? Is it more likely to happen know that they can sue?
What does this mean as far as getting a deal done? Is it more likely to happen know that they can sue?
Yes but it takes longer.
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No months of court cases and appeals, unless I think of the NFL decides not to lock them out. Which I would think it would be hilarious a ploy from the owners so their is no union anymore
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I think both sides are in the wrong but the more I see and hear from the players, I believe that it was never DeMaurice Smith's intention to come to any mediated agreement. I am starting to think that the owners were the ones revising proposals and the NFLPA just sat there with arms folded trying to win the court of public opinion before ultimately decertifying and suing the league. This is why Smith was hired in the first place.
I am sick and tired of hearing the players moan about "opening the books". The NFL gets audited every year and the NFLPA sees those audits. The owners even agreed to have a mutually appointed third party go through the books. The players refused. The reason they don't want to open the books has more to do with some owners not wanting other owners to see how much they are or are not making. I imagine the disparity between Jerry Jones and Ralph Wilson is very large.
I am considering being done with the NFL. My dad swore off baseball in '94 and he was a big baseball fan. The rest of his life, he only went back once when my son wanted to go. I don't want to turn into that. I just am having a hard time swallowing a lockout. Everyone is hating on the owners and those owners aren't without blame...but I think that the real wool-over-the-eyes here is the act that the NFLPA just put over on the public.
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I think both sides are in the wrong but the more I see and hear from the players, I believe that it was never DeMaurice Smith's intention to come to any mediated agreement. I am starting to think that the owners were the ones revising proposals and the NFLPA just sat there with arms folded trying to win the court of public opinion before ultimately decertifying and suing the league. This is why Smith was hired in the first place.
I am sick and tired of hearing the players moan about "opening the books". The NFL gets audited every year and the NFLPA sees those audits. The owners even agreed to have a mutually appointed third party go through the books. The players refused. The reason they don't want to open the books has more to do with some owners not wanting other owners to see how much they are or are not making. I imagine the disparity between Jerry Jones and Ralph Wilson is very large.
I am considering being done with the NFL. My dad swore off baseball in '94 and he was a big baseball fan. The rest of his life, he only went back once when my son wanted to go. I don't want to turn into that. I just am having a hard time swallowing a lockout. Everyone is hating on the owners and those owners aren't without blame...but I think that the real wool-over-the-eyes here is the act that the NFLPA just put over on the public.
I am sick and tired of hearing the players moan about "opening the books". The NFL gets audited every year and the NFLPA sees those audits. The owners even agreed to have a mutually appointed third party go through the books. The players refused. The reason they don't want to open the books has more to do with some owners not wanting other owners to see how much they are or are not making. I imagine the disparity between Jerry Jones and Ralph Wilson is very large.
Well if that's the case why don't the owners open the books for the nflpa? If they already have the data which they don't, they should'nt have a problem. The owners want the players to take the pay cut. But I feel the owners are being very dishonest on what they say they make, or there wouldn't be a big deal. Right?
Also the tv money that was given to the nfl was to keep the nfl afloat for the long hall. So that says they wanted the lockout. I can't take sides they both suck. But in my eyes the league seems to be more deceitful.
I seen Jerry jones he looks a little nervous.
After building that stadium he needs football.
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As usual, I may be viewing this too simplistically, but I think BOTH sides are being stupid & selfish, ESPECIALLY in this economy. I don't think anyone gains from a work stoppage...not the owners, players, or fans. Fans will have to find other sports/leisure outlets to replace football (IF this is long term) & some will STAY away.
Reality is that the stoppage is here & we'll just see what happens.
Mike
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How is this going to affect the Draft? Is there still going to be trades on draft day, and will trades involve players or only picks?
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Greedy agents and lawyers have killed Major League Baseball. I hope they dont do the same with Pro Football.
I will watch scab players if that is what the NFL chooses to put on the field. Some of these players cannot afford to miss a season. It could mean their whole career as a professional athlete.
FL Players' Union Decertifies: Could There Be No Football Season in 2011?
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Erie dawg, have u even seen the list of concessions by the owners? Based on your reply....I think not.
Nflpa only needs the books so they know how much to ask for without making the league broke. Players are employees....not partners.
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How is this going to affect the Draft? Is there still going to be trades on draft day, and will trades involve players or only picks?
How is this going to affect the Draft? Is there still going to be trades on draft day, and will trades involve players or only picks?
Until their is a new CBA or the lockout gets reversed by the courts then it's picks for picks in the draft
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BINGO! Perfectly stated.
Mike
They are a little more than just employees like 40% partners. Players like Peyton push the league farther in popularity and advertising revenue. But they are not EQUAL partners like they think they should be.
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the players are simply part of the product....partners? name me one other business, anywhere, where the union employees are partners with the brass. just because the players help the league gain popularity is no basis to call them partners.....that assertion is xxxxing laughable.
Summary of NFL Proposal to NFLPA
Posted 7 hours ago
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Here is a summary of the NFL's prosposal to the NFLPA.
SUMMARY OF NFL PROPOSAL
1. We more than split the economic difference between us, increasing our proposed cap for 2011 significantly and accepting the Union’s proposed cap number for 2014 ($161 million per club).
2. An entry level compensation system based on the Union’s “rookie cap” proposal, rather than the wage scale proposed by the clubs. Under the NFL proposal, players drafted in rounds 2-7 would be paid the same or more than they are paid today. Savings from the first round would be reallocated to veteran players and benefits.
3. A guarantee of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury – the first time that the clubs have offered a standard multi-year injury guarantee.
4. Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by
A. Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10, and limiting on-field practice time and contact;
B. Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season; and
C. Increasing number of days off for players.
5. Commit that any change to an 18-game season will be made only by agreement and that the 2011 and 2012 seasons will be played under the current 16-game format.
6. Owner funding of $82 million in 2011-12 to support additional benefits to former players, which would increase retirement benefits for more than 2000 former players by nearly 60 percent.
7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.
8. Third party arbitration for appeals in the drug and steroid programs.
9. Improvements in the Mackey plan, disability plan, and degree completion bonus program.
10. A per-club cash minimum spend of 90 percent of the salary cap over three seasons.
greed at its finest folks....looks to me like the owners were willing to concede quite a bit. health care for life? less practices, less hitting, more money?
lmao...xxxx the players...i hope the greedy xxxxs starve.
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the players are simply part of the product....partners? name me one other business, anywhere, where the union employees are partners with the brass. just because the players help the league gain popularity is no basis to call them partners.....that assertion is xxxxing laughable.
Summary of NFL Proposal to NFLPA
Posted 7 hours ago
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* a
Here is a summary of the NFL's prosposal to the NFLPA.
SUMMARY OF NFL PROPOSAL
1. We more than split the economic difference between us, increasing our proposed cap for 2011 significantly and accepting the Union’s proposed cap number for 2014 ($161 million per club).
2. An entry level compensation system based on the Union’s “rookie cap” proposal, rather than the wage scale proposed by the clubs. Under the NFL proposal, players drafted in rounds 2-7 would be paid the same or more than they are paid today. Savings from the first round would be reallocated to veteran players and benefits.
3. A guarantee of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury – the first time that the clubs have offered a standard multi-year injury guarantee.
4. Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by
A. Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10, and limiting on-field practice time and contact;
B. Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season; and
C. Increasing number of days off for players.
5. Commit that any change to an 18-game season will be made only by agreement and that the 2011 and 2012 seasons will be played under the current 16-game format.
6. Owner funding of $82 million in 2011-12 to support additional benefits to former players, which would increase retirement benefits for more than 2000 former players by nearly 60 percent.
7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.
8. Third party arbitration for appeals in the drug and steroid programs.
9. Improvements in the Mackey plan, disability plan, and degree completion bonus program.
10. A per-club cash minimum spend of 90 percent of the salary cap over three seasons.
greed at its finest folks....looks to me like the owners were willing to concede quite a bit. health care for life? less practices, less hitting, more money?
lmao...xxxx the players...i hope the greedy xxxxs starve.
7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.
greed at its finest folks....looks to me like the owners were willing to concede quite a bit. health care for life? less practices, less hitting, more money?
lmao...xxxx the players...i hope the greedy xxxxs starve.
The "opportunity" to remain in the player medical plan for life does not sound like the same thing as "health care for life."
So what is it that the players want which is above and beyond what the owners are offering?
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7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.
greed at its finest folks....looks to me like the owners were willing to concede quite a bit. health care for life? less practices, less hitting, more money?
lmao...xxxx the players...i hope the greedy xxxxs starve.
The "opportunity" to remain in the player medical plan for life does not sound like the same thing as "health care for life."
So what is it that the players want which is above and beyond what the owners are offering?
The "opportunity" to remain in the player medical plan for life does not sound like the same thing as "health care for life."
So what is it that the players want which is above and beyond what the owners are offering?
it can be if they so choose it to be though....this was not an option before, as i believe there was a small time after retirement that players were covered medically. after that time expired, players were on their own to provide their own medical costs even if the cost was associated with a football injury. giving them the "opportunity" to stay in the player medical plan certainly is the "opportunity" to have health care for life....but that was only a small point.
ive been reading on this all day, and from what i can gather, De Smith sold the players down the river trying to make a name for himself. the players wanted to see all the financial information for all 32 teams for the past 10 years before they would accept any CBA agreement. it all hinged on that point, as was stated by De Smith himself. this is because the union reps feel the players are partners with the owners rather than employees.....a truly misguided and unprecedented belief.
now, the problem lies with the "sham" clause....very shortly and quickly from memory: a clause in section 3 of the CBA said that the NFLPA had to wait until the CBA expired before they could decertify because of issues in 1990 decertification. since the NFLPA filed decertification papers prior to midnight on Friday, this decertification "ploy" will be ruled invalid by the courts according to the CBA that was in place at the time of the decertificiation, especially since the judge will not be Doty this time. so a lockout will be in effect since De Smith, possibly the dumbest xxxxing lawyer in the history of litigation, didn't even read the CBA.
i do feel bad for the player in that De Smith seems to be acting in a selfish manner to make a name for himself rather than trying to actually help the players. there seems to be some issues with the antitrust clause, but i need to read quite a bit more to really understand whats going on there. needless to say, i think the NFLPA just xxxxed themselves by choosing to look at this situation with tunnel vision, and choosing to decertify no matter what the offer was.
$0.02
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell released the following statement late Friday evening.
Dear NFL Fan,
When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.
Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players’ financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.
The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).
It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.
We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.
While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.
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I really think, if this goes as far as it seems it will, that we fans should boycott them. They are fighting over how to split 9 billion dollars that they haven't made yet. Lets see that 9 billion turn into 1 billion. The players and owners are all taking a big shit all over where they eat right now, and I hope that they end up taking a bite of it. Although, at the end of the day, I'm just really hungover, and most likely not in any shape to be typing, so disregard anything that I have put into words; for it makes no sense to me
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