You Gotta Take Peterson at 6 If He Is There
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I think he will still be there because of the huge stigma aobut drafting corners too high. The two best players in this draft are clearly Peterson/Green and now probably Jones as the next best guy, but now 4 of the 5 teams ahead of us have a need a corner, but they also have bigger problems in other area's and would think twice about picking a CB that high. Same with Green who now is only likely to go ahead of us if Cinci picks him which probably won't happen. Hell jones will fall to the middle of the first round just because of his position.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I think he will still be there because of the huge stigma aobut drafting corners too high. The two best players in this draft are clearly Peterson/Green and now probably Jones as the next best guy, but now 4 of the 5 teams ahead of us have a need a corner, but they also have bigger problems in other area's and would think twice about picking a CB that high. Same with Green who now is only likely to go ahead of us if Cinci picks him which probably won't happen. Hell jones will fall to the middle of the first round just because of his position.
Sure there has been Corners taken that high i believe there has been over 30 Corners drafted in the top 10, to name a few off the top of my head in recent years, Shawn Springs #2 overall, Terreance Newman #4 overall, Quentin Jammer #5 overall...Pacman Jones #6 Overall, Joe Haden #7 overall, Deion Sanders #5 overall,Carlos Rogers #9 overall,Antrell Rolle #8 overall,Deangelo Hall #8 overall, Duanta Robinson #9 overall.... Thats just off the top of my head im sure there are more
And Peterson is considered the Best CB prospect since Deion so hes easily going top 5
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Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
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Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
I agree that the Browns priority should be a Defensive Lineman if one is the best pick on the board.
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Browns need speed and "home run hitters" on both sides of the ball. WR and RDE are 1 and 1A. DT? We have Rubin and Shaefering, who might be a terrific 3-tech. We can either get a free agent, draft Casey in three... or both. My draft would be:
Green
Brooks Reed or Jabaal Sheard
Jurrell Casey
Best LB (Ideally Mason Foster who can play all three spots)
DL rotation is Reed, Rubin, Casey, Shaefering, Jayme Mitchell, and Benard. Benard and Reed off the edges on passing downs.
LBs are DQJ, Gocong, Fujita, Foster, Maiava, and probably a veteran (Nick Barnett?).
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Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
Perfectly said.
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Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
Do you mean that it is "mind boggling"? Not bottling? Usually it is alcoholics whose minds are "bottling".
But who ever we take I think we all can agree we will want to be a stud!
Really? You want him to be a big sperm donor? Maybe that is what you had in mind to bottle?
QUOTE (WRREBEL @ Feb 24 2011, 11:26 PM) Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
Do you mean that it is "mind boggling"? Not bottling? Usually it is alcoholics whose minds are "bottling"
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QUOTE (WRREBEL @ Feb 24 2011, 11:26 PM) Its mind bottling that people want us to take a corner top 10.
Do you mean that it is "mind boggling"? Not bottling? Usually it is alcoholics whose minds are "bottling"
Yes, I get it that mind bottling is a play on mind boggling. Also, I do get the e-mail every day from Urban Dictionary on their "Word of the day".
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MaryKayCabot Mary Kay Cabot
#Browns Prez Mike Holmgren identified D-line as a team need, but "you can never have too many good corners.''#nfl
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Hopefully, some day Browns FANS will get it after being dawg pounded for three decades now and winning nothing, even playoff spots. Offense wins championships and SKILL PLAYERS on offense make OFFENSE win....
we have had it all wrong for so long sumtimes I just wanna puke. Drafting defense after defense and and OL after OL
and nary the WR's and RB's and QB's that make it happen
Oh well all that losing and we aint learned a thing....we must all be republicans
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Hopefully, some day Browns FANS will get it after being dawg pounded for three decades now and winning nothing, even playoff spots. Offense wins championships and SKILL PLAYERS on offense make OFFENSE win....
we have had it all wrong for so long sumtimes I just wanna puke. Drafting defense after defense and and OL after OL
and nary the WR's and RB's and QB's that make it happen
Oh well all that losing and we aint learned a thing....we must all be republicans
Hopefully, some day Browns FANS will get it after being dawg pounded for three decades now and winning nothing, even playoff spots. Offense wins championships and SKILL PLAYERS on offense make OFFENSE win....
we have had it all wrong for so long sumtimes I just wanna puke. Drafting defense after defense and and OL after OL
and nary the WR's and RB's and QB's that make it happen
Oh well all that losing and we aint learned a thing....we must all be republicans
Pouncey, Worilds, STFU
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Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
Worth knowing:
The starting corners on the #1 and #2 ranked pass defenses (by opposing QBR) are Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Ike Taylor, and Brian McFadden. Highest drafted is low 2nd; most are much lower. The Steelers and Packers played in the Super Bowl. Before you say it, Woodson really isn't a cornerback anymore, as pointed out in pre-game. He's a "rover."
How did they do it? Not much of a mystery. They're also ranked #1 and #2 in sacks. Madden said it first but almost everybody in the NFL agrees: The key to stopping the high-powered pass offenses is pass rush, not the rare "elite corners." No matter how good they are, they can only cover one of four or five receivers while a pass rusher covers them all. And even the best can only cover a good receiver for a limited amount of time.
The last team to draft first round corners in back to back years? The Bengals. Both guys are very good. They panned out. But the Bengals ranked below the Browns in pass defense by QBR, #19, and went 4-12. Why? They ranked near the bottom in sacks with only 27.
Point: A lot of top teams would argue that a top 10 corner is never an efficient allocation of draft or cap resources. But two? Well, that's clinically insane.
YES. In this league the WRs are too athletic not to get open no matter who you have on them. Peterson is no doubt a tremendous talent but he wont mean shit to us unless we get a DL in place. Considering the talent level isnt dropping off too much at all with Fairley, Dareus, Bowers and Quinn, they (or some of them) NEED to be above Peterson on the board because they are more valuble NFL positions.
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