Filling 2 Needs With 1 Draft Pick
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Oh, I just read a lot.... even though I've been really busy....
I went and found a couple of excerpts from articles ... you can Google Fairley with "work ethic" etc.....
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The offseason has seen him picked apart—“JUCO kid to the core,” “soft,” “not the slam dunk people who watched him tear up the SEC or in the big game [bCS National Championship] might think.”—and at this point I doubt he goes higher than nine.
Now on to the grander question:
Would the Rams even want him?
St. Louis will be looking for an impact player in the middle of the defensive line—someone to stop the run, but perhaps even more importantly, someone to rush the passer—and no DT in this class rushes the passer like Fairley.
It’s more a matter of his intangibles, his size, and what exactly you’d be brining into the locker room by drafting this kid. Thomas says: “Fairley is smaller and it seems like his stock is dropping as scouts and personnel executives question his ‘motor’ and work ethic,” and that’s about as ringing an endorsement as Fairley has received of late.
I’m going to go out on a limb to make two conclusions:
One—Fairley is not an option. With the Rams so badly needing to score a weapon for Sam Bradford, I’m not sure I can sign off on their taking the high risk/high reward flier that Fairley represents (albeit one with as much “high reward” as any lineman in the draft).
Let’s go more in depth:
I’d say Denver and Cleveland are the biggest threats. Carolina probably won’t be able to eschew quarterback at the top overall pick (both history and recent speculation that Newton is emerging as a frontrunner seems to indicate that), and Buffalo has far bigger needs than cornerback. Cincinnati seems a lock for a quarterback or A.J. Green, and Arizona will probably by looking for someone to shore up their front seven.
So it’s Denver and Cleveland. I doubt the Broncos will go quarterback so high a year after spending a first-round pick on Tim Tebow (regardless of the fact that he was the choice of a prior regime), and the top defensive end on the board (Da’Quan Bowers) has seen his stock plummet in the last month. In my mind, it’s Marcell Dareus vs. Peterson for the second pick in the draft. Denver could probably use a corner more than a defensive tackle, but they did finish last in the league in defense last year (and second last against the run), which may be enough to push them in the direction of a lineman.
Cleveland…I think it all depends on who’s left on the board. I could see the Browns passing over Peterson for A.J. Green, Marcell Dareus, and no one else. In fact, I think if Peterson is selected by Denver, the Browns ensuing move could represent the worst case scenario for the 49ers—I think the Browns would seriously consider Prince Amukamara, leaving the 49ers without the consolation prize I think most are taking for a given.
My conclusion (deviating from the aforementioned mathematics so as not to make me pull out a calculator):
Peterson won’t be available for the 49ers. I think he’s off the board to Denver, as I just can’t see who else they’d end up settling for. And if that happens, root for the Bengals to pick a quarterback. If they do, that leaves Green for the Browns.
That way, there may not be Peterson but there will be an alternative—and if Prince Amukamara slides to San Francisco, he would represent almost as big of a score.
http://rss.nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42434869/ns/sports-player_news/
Report: Teams compare Fairley to HaynesworthNick Fairley - DL - College PlayerMore team newsApril 5, 2011 - 11:50 AM ET
According to the New York Post, NFL teams are "privately comparing" Auburn DT Nick Fairley to Albert Haynesworth.
"You've got to tread lightly with him because, as good as he looks on film, he could be a one-year wonder," said one AFC GM. "It's not like Suh, who dominated for a couple of years and you had no doubts whatsoever about." Haynesworth comparisons would seem to be too far over the top, but teams worry about Fairley's snap-to-snap effort on the field and maturity and work ethic off it.
Source: New York Post
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
lol wow, all you said we were bs'ing overwho has more talent and that us mf'ers love whoever heckert drafts.
Congratulations! You brought nothing to the table.
lol wow, all you said we were bs'ing overwho has more talent and that us mf'ers love whoever heckert drafts.
Congratulations! You brought nothing to the table.
First off, its 100% true. Sorry if your not used to it. Secondly, nothing being said brings anything to the table. Its pure speculation.
I suppose I can sit here and regurgitate everything I've read about all the prospects but you've pretty much done that for us all.
Its obvious some people think, "we need dl the most so we draft one first, next we need a wr so we draft him next, etc."---which is stupid. It doesn't work that way, hence why I posted it.
Trying to predict how a player's talents will fit in with a completely new coaching staff is almost impossible.....especially with a virtually unknown rookie HC giving input. So if giving a stab-in-the-dark mock or a Kiper-ish paraphrase is how you acquire validation then I guess I don't need it. I'll leave that to you. Your doing great btw.
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Yeah im not sold on Fairley and his Charcater concerns just brings that more to the center for me...And Bowers looks like hes out of the running as well suppossedly couldnt finish his workouts in his proday and also ran a 4.89...
I think it really comes down to if AJ Green if he is on the board then he may be the pick if not i think all signs point to Peterson, but if hes there at 6 im sure someone may wanna jump up and grab him..So im sure Heckert will way ethier selecting him or moving back to acquire more picks..
Also the dark horse has to be Quinn because he had a great pro day and improved his 40 from the combine to a 4.59
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lol wow, all you said we were bs'ing overwho has more talent and that us mf'ers love whoever heckert drafts.
Congratulations! You brought nothing to the table.
First off, its 100% true. Sorry if your not used to it. Secondly, nothing being said brings anything to the table. Its pure speculation.
I suppose I can sit here and regurgitate everything I've read about all the prospects but you've pretty much done that for us all.
Its obvious some people think, "we need dl the most so we draft one first, next we need a wr so we draft him next, etc."---which is stupid. It doesn't work that way, hence why I posted it.
Trying to predict how a player's talents will fit in with a completely new coaching staff is almost impossible.....especially with a virtually unknown rookie HC giving input. So if giving a stab-in-the-dark mock or a Kiper-ish paraphrase is how you acquire validation then I guess I don't need it. I'll leave that to you. Your doing great btw.
First off, its 100% true. Sorry if your not used to it. Secondly, nothing being said brings anything to the table. Its pure speculation.
I suppose I can sit here and regurgitate everything I've read about all the prospects but you've pretty much done that for us all.
Its obvious some people think, "we need dl the most so we draft one first, next we need a wr so we draft him next, etc."---which is stupid. It doesn't work that way, hence why I posted it.
Trying to predict how a player's talents will fit in with a completely new coaching staff is almost impossible.....especially with a virtually unknown rookie HC giving input. So if giving a stab-in-the-dark mock or a Kiper-ish paraphrase is how you acquire validation then I guess I don't need it. I'll leave that to you. Your doing great btw.
so essentially, nothing anyone says on this board is valid and only pundits are entitled to an opinion? gotcha.
haha "validation"? regurgitation ad nauseam? you're doing great btw? ah yes, thank you, your condescending manner knows no bounds.
I won't respond to you anymore, you really do bring nothing to the table.
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Yeah im not sold on Fairley and his Charcater concerns just brings that more to the center for me...And Bowers looks like hes out of the running as well suppossedly couldnt finish his workouts in his proday and also ran a 4.89...
I think it really comes down to if AJ Green if he is on the board then he may be the pick if not i think all signs point to Peterson, but if hes there at 6 im sure someone may wanna jump up and grab him..So im sure Heckert will way ethier selecting him or moving back to acquire more picks..
Also the dark horse has to be Quinn because he had a great pro day and improved his 40 from the combine to a 4.59
Yeah im not sold on Fairley and his Charcater concerns just brings that more to the center for me...And Bowers looks like hes out of the running as well suppossedly couldnt finish his workouts in his proday and also ran a 4.89...
I think it really comes down to if AJ Green if he is on the board then he may be the pick if not i think all signs point to Peterson, but if hes there at 6 im sure someone may wanna jump up and grab him..So im sure Heckert will way ethier selecting him or moving back to acquire more picks..
Also the dark horse has to be Quinn because he had a great pro day and improved his 40 from the combine to a 4.59
Yeah, I never wanted Bowers to begin with.
But why not Fairley? I can understand guys being put off from his attitude, but think about it logically: if Fairley dominated on pure talent alone and Marcell Dareus couldn't despite being more physically gifted, doesn't that say something about Dareus? Dareus didn't produce more despite having a better supporting cast on D. See, this is why I'm not in love with any of the DL.
I really really wish Ndamukong Suh was in this draft. But there's no point in living in the past.
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Yeah im not sold on Fairley and his Charcater concerns just brings that more to the center for me...And Bowers looks like hes out of the running as well suppossedly couldnt finish his workouts in his proday and also ran a 4.89...
I think it really comes down to if AJ Green if he is on the board then he may be the pick if not i think all signs point to Peterson, but if hes there at 6 im sure someone may wanna jump up and grab him..So im sure Heckert will way ethier selecting him or moving back to acquire more picks..
Also the dark horse has to be Quinn because he had a great pro day and improved his 40 from the combine to a 4.59
Yeah, I never wanted Bowers to begin with.
But why not Fairley? I can understand guys being put off from his attitude, but think about it logically: if Fairley dominated on pure talent alone and Marcell Dareus couldn't despite being more physically gifted, doesn't that say something about Dareus? Dareus didn't produce more despite having a better supporting cast on D. See, this is why I'm not in love with any of the DL.
I really really wish Ndamukong Suh was in this draft. But there's no point in living in the past.
Yeah, I never wanted Bowers to begin with.
But why not Fairley? I can understand guys being put off from his attitude, but think about it logically: if Fairley dominated on pure talent alone and Marcell Dareus couldn't despite being more physically gifted, doesn't that say something about Dareus? Dareus didn't produce more despite having a better supporting cast on D. See, this is why I'm not in love with any of the DL.
I really really wish Ndamukong Suh was in this draft. But there's no point in living in the past.
Yeah im not sold on any of the D-Lineman ethier, i actually feel like the guys in the middle of the round may be safer picks with less upside but at least not busts, which is why im not agasnt trading down...Basically id like to see ethier Peterson or Green,other than that id trade back and grab more picks
And if Suh were in this Draft he'd be one his way to Carolina
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Yeah, I never wanted Bowers to begin with.
But why not Fairley? I can understand guys being put off from his attitude, but think about it logically: if Fairley dominated on pure talent alone and Marcell Dareus couldn't despite being more physically gifted, doesn't that say something about Dareus? Dareus didn't produce more despite having a better supporting cast on D. See, this is why I'm not in love with any of the DL.
I really really wish Ndamukong Suh was in this draft. But there's no point in living in the past.
Yeah im not sold on any of the D-Lineman ethier, i actually feel like the guys in the middle of the round may be safer picks with less upside but at least not busts, which is why im not agasnt trading down...Basically id like to see ethier Peterson or Green,other than that id trade back and grab more picks
And if Suh were in this Draft he'd be one his way to Carolina
Yeah im not sold on any of the D-Lineman ethier, i actually feel like the guys in the middle of the round may be safer picks with less upside but at least not busts, which is why im not agasnt trading down...Basically id like to see ethier Peterson or Green,other than that id trade back and grab more picks
And if Suh were in this Draft he'd be one his way to Carolina
Oh no doubt Suh would be the #1 pick this draft. Hell, he should have been the #1 pick last year, but meh.
And yes, we finally agree on this. This D-Line draft is not top heavy like people say. It's deep, but definitely not top heavy. It benefits the teams in the middle of the pact than the ones drafting first.
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
I agree we take the BPA, because that guy, whoever he is, is going to start and make this team better. If its Peterson, I am all for it. We had a pretty darn good draft last year, 3 starters, a potential 4th starter in Hardesty(assuming his knees dont make him useless) so let Heckert do his job. His first go was pretty go, I look forward to what he does this go round.
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
I agree we take the BPA, because that guy, whoever he is, is going to start and make this team better. If its Peterson, I am all for it. We had a pretty darn good draft last year, 3 starters, a potential 4th starter in Hardesty(assuming his knees dont make him useless) so let Heckert do his job. His first go was pretty go, I look forward to what he does this go round.
I agree we take the BPA, because that guy, whoever he is, is going to start and make this team better. If its Peterson, I am all for it. We had a pretty darn good draft last year, 3 starters, a potential 4th starter in Hardesty(assuming his knees dont make him useless) so let Heckert do his job. His first go was pretty go, I look forward to what he does this go round.
Potentially 5 starters if you include Shawn Lauvao at Guard, hope Heckert repeats..
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No to Bowers.
I'm starting to feel as though he's a one-hit wonder. His injuries long-term have me slighted.
No to Bowers.
I'm starting to feel as though he's a one-hit wonder. His injuries long-term have me slighted.
Bowers is this years Vernon Gholston..
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No to Bowers.
I'm starting to feel as though he's a one-hit wonder. His injuries long-term have me slighted.
Bowers is this years Vernon Gholston..
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No to Bowers.
I'm starting to feel as though he's a one-hit wonder. His injuries long-term have me slighted.
Bowers is this years Vernon Gholston..
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I still think Ghouslton could have been a decent NFL player had he played for a team that played a 4-3 and he could be a true DE which he was in college, instead of trying to make him play OLB in the 3-4 which are to competely different positions...Some players cant make that transtiton
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He will catch on with a team that will get him on the cheap in a 4-3. And then we will see for sure.
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He will catch on with a team that will get him on the cheap in a 4-3. And then we will see for sure.
He will catch on with a team that will get him on the cheap in a 4-3. And then we will see for sure.
I actually wouldnt mind the Browns bringing him in for the right price, we need all the help we can get on the D-Line
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