The Official Nfl Cba/lockout Thread
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i'll look for a link to this but espn is reporting that the judge has lifted the lockout and the nfl is going to request it stays.
i'll look for a link to this but espn is reporting that the judge has lifted the lockout and the nfl is going to request it stays.
I think this should be a whole new topic but I'll post it here.
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Does anyone know what this means though. They are saying that the Owners are just going to ask for a "Stay in Ruling?". I have no idea if this means that the end of the lock out is put on hold to rule on this. Also the Owner are having a committee rule on whether the Players Assosiation is still acting as a Union and they said they are looking into it and should have a ruling in 4-6 weeks, which people are saying means that the committee thinks that the NFLPA is actually still operating at as a Union for actually deciding to rule on it in a few weeks.
What I am trying to ask is does all this mean that FA can start right after the draft, or are will still stuck waiting 6 weeks.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=6424084
ST. PAUL, Minn. -- A federal judge on Monday ordered an end to the NFL lockout, giving the players an early victory in their fight with the owners over how to divide the $9 billion business.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson said she was swayed by the players' argument that that the lockout, now in its second month, was causing irreparable harm to their careers.
The plaintiffs "have made a strong showing that allowing the League to continue their 'lockout' is presently inflicting, and will continue to inflict, irreparable harm upon them, particularly when weighed against the lack of any real injury that would be imposed on the NFL by issuing the preliminary injunction," Nelson wrote.
The NFL promised an immediate appeal.
"We will promptly seek a stay from Judge Nelson pending an expedited appeal to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals," the league said. "We believe that federal law bars injunctions in labor disputes. We are confident that the Eighth Circuit will agree. But we also believe that this dispute will inevitably end with a collective bargaining agreement, which would be in the best interests of players, clubs and fans. We can reach a fair agreement only if we continue negotiations toward that goal."
Owners imposed the lockout after talks broke down March 11 and the players disbanded their union. A group of players filed the injunction request along with a class-action antitrust lawsuit against the league.
The owners argued it was their right to institute the lockout and suggested Nelson didn't have jurisdiction while the National Labor Relations Board considers an unfair labor charge filed by the league that players didn't negotiate in good faith.
Nelson disagreed, and said the NLRB proceeding shouldn't be used to affect the court case here.
Nelson heard arguments on the injunction at a hearing on April 6 and ordered the two sides to resume mediation while she was considering her decision. The owners and players, who failed to reach consensus after 16 days of mediated talks earlier this year, met over four days with a federal magistrate but did not announce any progress on solving the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987.
They are not scheduled to meet again until May 16, four days after another judge holds a hearing on whether players should get damages in their related fight with owners over some $4 billion in broadcast revenue.
And now comes Nelson's decision to lift the injunction.
"(T)he public ramifications of this dispute exceed the abstract principles of the antitrust laws, as professional football involves many layers of tangible economic impact, ranging from broadcast revenues down to concessions sales," she wrote. "And, of course, the public interest represented by the fans of professional football -- who have a strong investment in the 2011 season -- is an intangible interest that weighs against the lockout. In short, this particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation."
If her ruling stands, it is still unclear exactly what happens next. The collective bargaining agreement has expired, so how the league would handle free agency, trades and offseason workouts at team headquarters, all of which were banned under the lockout, remains to be seen.
The NFL even argued to Nelson that stopping the lockout would open all 32 teams up to additional antitrust claims simply for working together to solve the labor dispute. Antitrust claims carry triple damages for any harm proven, meaning hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake.
But with appeals expected, the fight seems likely to drag on through the spring and, possibly, into the summer. The closer it gets to August, when training camps and the preseason get into full swing, the more likely it becomes that regular season games will be lost.
"Tomorrow is going to come regardless of what we do here, so we have to work within that framework," Hall of Famer Carl Eller, a plaintiff, said after one of the recent mediation sessions. "In order to have a season, preserve a season, prepare for a season, those are real consequences."
And the antitrust lawsuit is pending, too, with lead plaintiffs that include MVP quarterbacks Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. The suit has been combined with two other similar claims from retirees, former players and rookies-to-be, with Eller the lead plaintiff in that group.
Granting the injunction swings some of the leverage to the players' side, which could actually bring the two sides closer to a resolution, according to Seth Borden, a labor law expert at McKenna, Long and Aldridge in New York.
"It's still going to boil down to the way the parties view their respective positions and respective leverage," Borden said. "Until the league and the players feel like they're at the point of no return for next season, progress will be slow toward that overall resolution."
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It was said as of now they will operate under the old cba.
Now im not sure when it will start or how it will effect the draft.
nonetheless it will be interesting in the coming days.
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a legal analyst on espn said some agents are telling their clients to report to their teams tommorrow.
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a legal analyst on espn said some agents are telling their clients to report to their teams tommorrow.
a legal analyst on espn said some agents are telling their clients to report to their teams tommorrow.
The team needs the reps with the new coaches so I hope its true
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Does anyone know what this means though. They are saying that the Owners are just going to ask for a "Stay in Ruling?". I have no idea if this means that the end of the lock out is put on hold to rule on this. Also the Owner are having a committee rule on whether the Players Assosiation is still acting as a Union and they said they are looking into it and should have a ruling in 4-6 weeks, which people are saying means that the committee thinks that the NFLPA is actually still operating at as a Union for actually deciding to rule on it in a few weeks.
What I am trying to ask is does all this mean that FA can start right after the draft, or are will still stuck waiting 6 weeks.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Does anyone know what this means though. They are saying that the Owners are just going to ask for a "Stay in Ruling?". I have no idea if this means that the end of the lock out is put on hold to rule on this. Also the Owner are having a committee rule on whether the Players Assosiation is still acting as a Union and they said they are looking into it and should have a ruling in 4-6 weeks, which people are saying means that the committee thinks that the NFLPA is actually still operating at as a Union for actually deciding to rule on it in a few weeks.
What I am trying to ask is does all this mean that FA can start right after the draft, or are will still stuck waiting 6 weeks.
from what the article says and what the legal analyst said on espn, the judge isn't buying what the nfl is saying and she's in agreement with the nflpa.
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espn is reporting that steelers s ryan clark is asking his teammates to meet at their team's facility tommorrow at 8 am.
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demaurice smith is on espn2 right now and he said they'll be in contact with agents and players tonite.
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what we're waiting on now is the judge's ruling on the nfl's request for a stay on the lockout. from what was reported on espn a ruling should be made in the next 2 days and as early as tommorrow morning. i think the nflpa hit big with this one and they have the judge in agreement with them.
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Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita informed me that Browns players will return 2 work unless or until the judge orders for a stay
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita also says that Josh Cribbs & Ben Watson r among a number of players who will work out 2morrow morn in Berea ...
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Fujita also added that teams who do not allow access to players will be in violation of judge Nelson's order
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Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita informed me that Browns players will return 2 work unless or until the judge orders for a stay
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita also says that Josh Cribbs & Ben Watson r among a number of players who will work out 2morrow morn in Berea ...
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Fujita also added that teams who do not allow access to players will be in violation of judge Nelson's order
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita informed me that Browns players will return 2 work unless or until the judge orders for a stay
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita also says that Josh Cribbs & Ben Watson r among a number of players who will work out 2morrow morn in Berea ...
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Fujita also added that teams who do not allow access to players will be in violation of judge Nelson's order
Awesome, awesome, and awesome.
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Nice. we can get this season going atleast for a little bit. Get the new schemes in place. Our rookies will be able to show up and get the reps. Does this mean FA starts immediately?
Nice. we can get this season going atleast for a little bit. Get the new schemes in place. Our rookies will be able to show up and get the reps. Does this mean FA starts immediately?
It doesn't start until the judge denies the Owners appeal, which could be tomorrow, or at most two days from now. But I have heard conflicting stories about how this works. They either just go off the 2010 CBA, or they have to set up a set of rules for FA and contracts, ect and if that is the case then we won't have it because the owners will say the just couldn't come up with any fair rules.
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Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita informed me that Browns players will return 2 work unless or until the judge orders for a stay
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita also says that Josh Cribbs & Ben Watson r among a number of players who will work out 2morrow morn in Berea ...
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Fujita also added that teams who do not allow access to players will be in violation of judge Nelson's order
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita informed me that Browns players will return 2 work unless or until the judge orders for a stay
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Scott Fujita also says that Josh Cribbs & Ben Watson r among a number of players who will work out 2morrow morn in Berea ...
Twitter Wrote: ESPNCleveland: RT @WillBurge: Fujita also added that teams who do not allow access to players will be in violation of judge Nelson's order
thanks for the info! fujita is a player rep so this is great news.
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Nice. we can get this season going atleast for a little bit. Get the new schemes in place. Our rookies will be able to show up and get the reps. Does this mean FA starts immediately?
It doesn't start until the judge denies the Owners appeal, which could be tomorrow, or at most two days from now. But I have heard conflicting stories about how this works. They either just go off the 2010 CBA, or they have to set up a set of rules for FA and contracts, ect and if that is the case then we won't have it because the owners will say the just couldn't come up with any fair rules.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
It doesn't start until the judge denies the Owners appeal, which could be tomorrow, or at most two days from now. But I have heard conflicting stories about how this works. They either just go off the 2010 CBA, or they have to set up a set of rules for FA and contracts, ect and if that is the case then we won't have it because the owners will say the just couldn't come up with any fair rules.
the greatest thing about this is there are people outside of the situation that got involved and are speeding up the process.
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OK, but consider this: Is sauce for the goose also good for the gander?
If the NFLPA were to strike at some point, would the court order them "back to work" by issuing an injunction staying their strike?
Personally, I don't care how it gets done. The owners are making millions upon millions of dollars, its just that with the economic downturn they are not make as many vast millions now as perhaps they were before.
Also, consider the bigger picture in this: will this "pro-labor" decision carry over to areas such as the dispute in Wisconsin over the public workers right to collectively bargain? Or the same issue here in Ohio? Please take note that the owners position in this NFL labor dispute is simply one branch of the Republican Strategy to deny labor union rights.
So if this ruling goes in favor of the "workers" can we expect other decisions to go in their favor in other....more important....walks of life?
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So can players be traded during the draft?
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Any legal experts out there?
Anyways, I was wondering if the NFL could use this ruling against the players? All the talk is that they will frame labor rules based on the old CBA. My question is why? The union disbanded. To my knowledge, if this happened in the private sector the employer could establish any rules/pay scales they wished. If the players didn't like those rules they would have to "reform" the union. If they reform the union the anti-trust lawsuit goes away. What is the exact legal nature that prevents the NFL from treating all players as they would "scabs" except were established contracts are in place?
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Does anyone know what this means though. They are saying that the Owners are just going to ask for a "Stay in Ruling?". I have no idea if this means that the end of the lock out is put on hold to rule on this.
Yes, I know what it means.
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