The Official Nfl Cba/lockout Thread
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Nice. we can get this season going atleast for a little bit. Get the new schemes in place. Our rookies will be able to show up and get the reps. Does this mean FA starts immediately?
It doesn't start until the judge denies the Owners appeal, which could be tomorrow, or at most two days from now. But I have heard conflicting stories about how this works. They either just go off the 2010 CBA, or they have to set up a set of rules for FA and contracts, ect and if that is the case then we won't have it because the owners will say the just couldn't come up with any fair rules.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
It doesn't start until the judge denies the Owners appeal, which could be tomorrow, or at most two days from now. But I have heard conflicting stories about how this works. They either just go off the 2010 CBA, or they have to set up a set of rules for FA and contracts, ect and if that is the case then we won't have it because the owners will say the just couldn't come up with any fair rules.
the greatest thing about this is there are people outside of the situation that got involved and are speeding up the process.
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OK, but consider this: Is sauce for the goose also good for the gander?
If the NFLPA were to strike at some point, would the court order them "back to work" by issuing an injunction staying their strike?
Personally, I don't care how it gets done. The owners are making millions upon millions of dollars, its just that with the economic downturn they are not make as many vast millions now as perhaps they were before.
Also, consider the bigger picture in this: will this "pro-labor" decision carry over to areas such as the dispute in Wisconsin over the public workers right to collectively bargain? Or the same issue here in Ohio? Please take note that the owners position in this NFL labor dispute is simply one branch of the Republican Strategy to deny labor union rights.
So if this ruling goes in favor of the "workers" can we expect other decisions to go in their favor in other....more important....walks of life?
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So can players be traded during the draft?
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Any legal experts out there?
Anyways, I was wondering if the NFL could use this ruling against the players? All the talk is that they will frame labor rules based on the old CBA. My question is why? The union disbanded. To my knowledge, if this happened in the private sector the employer could establish any rules/pay scales they wished. If the players didn't like those rules they would have to "reform" the union. If they reform the union the anti-trust lawsuit goes away. What is the exact legal nature that prevents the NFL from treating all players as they would "scabs" except were established contracts are in place?
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Does anyone know what this means though. They are saying that the Owners are just going to ask for a "Stay in Ruling?". I have no idea if this means that the end of the lock out is put on hold to rule on this.
Yes, I know what it means.
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Any legal experts out there?
Anyways, I was wondering if the NFL could use this ruling against the players? All the talk is that they will frame labor rules based on the old CBA. My question is why? The union disbanded. To my knowledge, if this happened in the private sector the employer could establish any rules/pay scales they wished. If the players didn't like those rules they would have to "reform" the union. If they reform the union the anti-trust lawsuit goes away. What is the exact legal nature that prevents the NFL from treating all players as they would "scabs" except were established contracts are in place?
Endymion said:
Any legal experts out there?
Anyways, I was wondering if the NFL could use this ruling against the players? All the talk is that they will frame labor rules based on the old CBA. My question is why? The union disbanded. To my knowledge, if this happened in the private sector the employer could establish any rules/pay scales they wished. If the players didn't like those rules they would have to "reform" the union. If they reform the union the anti-trust lawsuit goes away. What is the exact legal nature that prevents the NFL from treating all players as they would "scabs" except were established contracts are in place?
Actually, the kind of legal expert you need is a labor/antitrust attorney. I do neither of those so I don't know the answers to those specific questions. But, I am sure that Squire, Sanders, and Dempsey or one of the other major firms in Cleveland would be glad to answer your questions at the tune of about $400.00 per hour.
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http://browns.ohio.com/2011/04/browns-wr-josh-cribbs-plans-to-keep-going-to-work/
In an interview with "Mike & Mike in the Morning" on ESPN Radio, Browns wide receiver Josh Cribbs said today that he'll continue to show up at the team's headquarters in Berea.
Cribbs, tight end Benjamin Watson and punter Reggie Hodges went to the Browns' facility Tuesday morning, a day after a federal judge ordered an immediate end to the NFL's lockout, but they were discouraged from working out and denied access to coaches or playbooks. Still, Cribbs told hosts Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic that he'll keep showing up to work to prove he is eligible for his workout bonus.
"A lot of guys who are under contract have workout bonuses," Cribbs told Mike and Mike. "Because the judge rules in our favor to end this lockout, those workout bonuses actually go into effect. In order to make a claim for them, we have to prove or show that we're showing up for work at least. That's all I can do at this point is show up for work. If they don't let me workout, hey, that's not in the contract. Showing up is all I have to to do until the judge issues a stay."
Browns safety T.J. Ward indicated that he returned to the team's headquarters this morning by posting the following message on his Twitter profile: "Leaving the facility. It felt good just to get back in my locker." Browns wide receiver Jordan Norwood did the same, posting a photo of the shoes he retrieved from his locker on his Twitter account.
Cribbs also posted the following message on his Twitter profile this morning: "Going 2 Browns facility 2 try & workout, hopefully i run in2 a coach, & the playbook falls out of his back pocket "I didn't c a thing" lol."
On Tuesday, Cribbs said it's important for players throughout the league to show they're eager to return to business-as-usual status.
"We're basically showing that we want to work," Cribbs said Tuesday in the parking lot of the Browns' facility. "We're basically showing that we're at work as scheduled. We want to get back at football. We want to continue to play football, and we're eager to get back on the field. We're showing that when the lockout is over, we're gonna be here like we're supposed to at work and to get a job done. That's what coming today proves."
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Tomorrow, if she makes her decision and rules in favor of the players again and lifts the lockout. Would that allow free agency and trades because that would make the draft way more interesting than it already is
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Tomorrow, if she makes her decision and rules in favor of the players again and lifts the lockout. Would that allow free agency and trades because that would make the draft way more interesting than it already is
Tomorrow, if she makes her decision and rules in favor of the players again and lifts the lockout. Would that allow free agency and trades because that would make the draft way more interesting than it already is
The owners would need to come up with a way to regulate FA and trades, either new rules or just going off of the last CBA. But it has been pointed out that would be against Anti Trust laws, opening them up for another lawsuit by the players. So it is uncertain what will happen at this point.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6439599
MINNEAPOLIS -- The federal judge who lifted the NFL lockout has denied the league's request to put her ruling on hold.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson wrote late Wednesday that the NFL "has not met its burden for a stay pending appeal, expedited or otherwise."
The league wanted Nelson to keep the lockout in place while it appeals her ruling, arguing that starting free agency and other football activities before there's clarity on the status of this case could be damaging to the league's competitive balance and general operations.
Players wrote to the judge earlier Wednesday to argue against the league's request for a stay, contending that a continuation of the lockout harms the NFL as much as it does the players.
And as it pertains to the new league year
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Judge ordered NFL to start its league year immediately, but said no team is obligated to sign free agents. Trades in question.
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the legal analysts on espn yesterday said the nfl will more than likely take their case to the 8th circuit and they will make a ruling by next week.
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http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/nfl/120828114.html
MINNEAPOLIS - The federal judge who lifted the NFL lockout dealt another blow to the league late Wednesday, denying its request to put her ruling on hold and guaranteeing more limbo for the $9 billion business.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson wrote that the NFL "has not met its burden for a stay pending appeal, expedited or otherwise." She dismissed the NFL's argument that it is facing irreparable harm because of her decision Monday to end the 45-day lockout.
"In short, the world of 'chaos' the NFL claims it has been thrust into — essentially the 'free-market' system this nation otherwise willfully operates under — is not compelled by this court's order," Nelson wrote.
The judge acknowledged that her decision will be appealed to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis and the NFL has promised that step. There was no immediate word from the league after Nelson's decision.
The ruling means the league has no rules in place, shelved since the collective bargaining agreement ended on March 11 and the lockout was imposed shortly afterward.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, during an earlier predraft event in New York, said he wasn't worried about the state of confusion tarnishing the league's image but stressed his desire to "remove" the uncertainty.
"It's one of the things I don't think is healthy for the players, the clubs and most importantly our fans," he said.
Attorneys for the players had dismissed the NFL's argument that it risks either violating antitrust laws by coming up with new league rules without a collective bargaining agreement in place or harming its competitive balance by allowing a potential free agency free-for-all.
"If the NFL defendants are faced with a dilemma, they put themselves in that position by repeatedly imposing rules and restrictions that violate the antitrust laws," the attorneys wrote. "Any alleged predicament is of their own making."
The solution, the players argued, is to simply implement a system that does not violate antitrust laws.
Nelson agreed.
"Again, the NFL argues it will suffer irreparable harm because it is now 'forced to choose between the irreparable harm of unrestricted free agency or the irreparable harm of more treble damages lawsuits,'" Nelson wrote. "But no such Scylla-or- Charybdis choice exists here. There is no injunction in place preventing the NFL from exercising, under its hoped-for protection of the labor laws, any of its rights to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, such as free agency."
The NFL will now place its hopes with the 8th Circuit, viewed as a more friendly venue to the league than the federal courts in Minnesota.
Goodell said the surest way for the league to operate without running afoul of antitrust laws is to get back to bargaining with the players. The two sides had 16 days of talks with a mediator earlier this year and four more with a federal magistrate. Little progress has been seen, though the two sides are scheduled to meet again May 16.
"That's how we've been successful. That's how other leagues have been successful, and it should continue that way," Goodell said.
All of this played out while teams are preparing for Thursday's draft. Most players again stayed away from team headquarters, working out on their own as the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987 plays out in court. Two Washington Redskins players showed up at their facility, another rather fruitless visit.
"What we're looking for is a little clarity as far as what the rules are, so we can operate on the same page. So we'll just have to wait and see what those rules are," coach Mike Shanahan said.
Detroit defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch said he hadn't heard about any players visiting Lions headquarters.
"Until guys know they can get some work done at that facility, they're just going to work out on their own and take a wait-and-see approach," he said.
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AP Football Writer Barry Wilner and AP Sports Writers Joseph White and Larry Lage contributed to this report.
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hillis iz boss, this article answers the good question you brought up.
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edit: heckert will be on sto's all bets are off tommorrow. they didn't say exactly when he would be on, but it's their draft special which will air during abao's normal time slot from 3-6 and run on until 6:30 pm. chuck's last call will come one after the indians game and will deal with the draft as well.
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Schefter just reported on Mike and Mike that the league year would officially began on Monday so it doesnt make the draft too crazy
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Appeal Court restores NFL Lockout
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Some people will be on the side of the owners, more people will be on the side of the players. In all honesty, the owners need to win a couple of court rulings or football as we know it will change and probably not for the better. I don't want to see an unbalanced league in the mold of baseball. I like the NFL draft and I like the salary cap. I want all teams to have an equal chance of building a winner. That is what makes this league exciting and that is what has made this league into the most profitable sport in North America. Both sides need to be embroiled in a "stalemate" with the threat of lost revenues to force them back to negotiations. Rookie salaries do need to be capped. No matter how good your scouting department, you are going to make bad choices and the team should not have to pay for mistakes for years to come, as it will diminish that teams ability to compete.
Personally, I believe there needs to be another party to the lawsuit against the NFL, and that is a class action suit on behalf of all the states that support an NFL franchise. The NFL markets themselves as being responsible members of the community, but they have "extorted" state and local governments into paying for stadiums with tax money. Now, in this day in age, the people (who make far less than either of these parties) are struggling to generate enough tax revenue to support critical government functions. The owners wanted another "billion" off the top to pay for stadiums, that billion should pay off all local governments who invested in NFL stadiums first, using the other "billion" the owners wanted.
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Some people will be on the side of the owners, more people will be on the side of the players. In all honesty, the owners need to win a couple of court rulings or football as we know it will change and probably not for the better. I don't want to see an unbalanced league in the mold of baseball. I like the NFL draft and I like the salary cap. I want all teams to have an equal chance of building a winner. That is what makes this league exciting and that is what has made this league into the most profitable sport in North America. Both sides need to be embroiled in a "stalemate" with the threat of lost revenues to force them back to negotiations. Rookie salaries do need to be capped. No matter how good your scouting department, you are going to make bad choices and the team should not have to pay for mistakes for years to come, as it will diminish that teams ability to compete.
Personally, I believe there needs to be another party to the lawsuit against the NFL, and that is a class action suit on behalf of all the states that support an NFL franchise. The NFL markets themselves as being responsible members of the community, but they have "extorted" state and local governments into paying for stadiums with tax money. Now, in this day in age, the people (who make far less than either of these parties) are struggling to generate enough tax revenue to support critical government functions. The owners wanted another "billion" off the top to pay for stadiums, that billion should pay off all local governments who invested in NFL stadiums first, using the other "billion" the owners wanted.
Endymion said:
Some people will be on the side of the owners, more people will be on the side of the players. In all honesty, the owners need to win a couple of court rulings or football as we know it will change and probably not for the better. I don't want to see an unbalanced league in the mold of baseball. I like the NFL draft and I like the salary cap. I want all teams to have an equal chance of building a winner. That is what makes this league exciting and that is what has made this league into the most profitable sport in North America. Both sides need to be embroiled in a "stalemate" with the threat of lost revenues to force them back to negotiations. Rookie salaries do need to be capped. No matter how good your scouting department, you are going to make bad choices and the team should not have to pay for mistakes for years to come, as it will diminish that teams ability to compete.
Personally, I believe there needs to be another party to the lawsuit against the NFL, and that is a class action suit on behalf of all the states that support an NFL franchise. The NFL markets themselves as being responsible members of the community, but they have "extorted" state and local governments into paying for stadiums with tax money. Now, in this day in age, the people (who make far less than either of these parties) are struggling to generate enough tax revenue to support critical government functions. The owners wanted another "billion" off the top to pay for stadiums, that billion should pay off all local governments who invested in NFL stadiums first, using the other "billion" the owners wanted.
I agree that I don't want football to change, but the owners are the reason this is all happening. They got greedy and wanted more and now it's biting them in the ass. I pray that if this labor dispute stays on the side of the players that they don't get equally as greedy. Right now they have most of the public on their side and all it's going to take to shift that support back to the players is if they try to change things like ZERO cap and no draft. I feel like the fact that the owners are faced with zero capped seasons until a new CBA is reached and the players have the upper hand that a deal will get done that at least closely reflects that old CBA (because remember the players liked the old CBA and just wanted it renewed, the owners wanted to change it).
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I think that the owners and players are both a bunch of greedy spoiled brats. Imagine waking up tomorrow able to run a 4.4 forty and looking at $10,000,000 bucks then saying that it is a form of slavery. Or imagine waking up and finding that you own a team and you don't even have to try and win, you will still make $10,000,000 or more a year. Then you talk the city into building you a new stadium to keep you from moving. People still come to the games and buy jerseys no matter how bad the team is, what a great business. How many restaurants or hotels stay open when they suck? How many keep investing in the same computer when it sucks every time?
The fans are the patsies here. We are the ones allowing the spoiled owners and spoiled players to keep up their act. How many people keep watching a tv show that sucks except for sports? How many other places do you spend $8 on a beer and $6 on a soft pretzel that costs $.75?
If the owners and players crap on the golden egg they will only have themselves to blame.
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