What Are The Pundits Saying?

hoorta

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Look,

I have been listening to you "system" guys for a long, long, long time. For some reason Cleveland fans, media and pundits have long forgotten what the winning Browns teams were built around.

Sorry, no I haven't.

Offensive linemen are a dime-adozen. Very few has put more money into OL over the last 5 years than the Browns. Has the team improved? No, not one IOTA. NADA!

Had Jim Brown not gone to Cleveland, NOBODY would have ever heard of Gene Hickerson. (Slow, unathletic fatass)

The recent SB winners ALL won with their starting OL mostly gone or injured.

Am I saying these ingredients aren't important? No, BUT, if it were left to you guys all you would ever draft in the high rounds would be OL players.

You know who drafts fatasses in the first or second round almost every year? The Pittsburgh Steelers. Whoops, looks like they did it again last week. Hasn't hurt them much- you just have to draft the right fatass, like Casey Hampton, who's going to wind up in the HOF most likely.

Again, Barry Sanders was great because of his OL? Oh, wait, I know, he was a freak, an exception!

ABSOLUTELY!

BULLCRAP.................

The guys who regularly touch the ball make or break a football team. A team that has a great QB, threatening WRs and a strong pair of RBs give the OL an EASY TIME, because the D cannot key on any one part of the game.

The Browns have no offensive weapons and just like the opposition got wise to Droughns, they will shut Hillis down this year.

Joe Thomas was a waste, his equal could have been had in the 3d round, no doubts about it. Hell, the guy STILL gets manhandled by the better DEs, Freeney for sure bitch slaps fatass Thomas.

BULLSHIT. Yeah, Thomas had a bad game against Freeney, I suppose Jim Brown never had an off day either. Thomas has had seasons where he didn't give up a sack- that's why left tackles go so damn high in the draft- they prevent a right handed quarterback getting his spine broken in half by an opposing defensive lineman that they can't see coming.

Here are the facts. The Browns are as foundationally solid as 90% of the NFL teams. Proof? WIth shitty skill players the performed admirably.

All those close games? If we had ANY playmakers, we would have fared much better.

Said it once, and I'll say it again- you put great playmakers behind a total crap o-line, and you still wind up 3-13, AND wind up with a quarterback or three on Injured Reserve. Incidentally, an offensive line is only as strong as it's weakest link, and (Turnstile) St Clair was mighty weak. Defenses could overload the right side, and pour on past the stiff like he wasn't even there.

Football isnt all X's and O's. A lot of it is pure, individual athletic performance.

ALl the good teams have those kind of players, THe Browns don't. Therefor the Browns will be a 3 -12 to 5 - 11 team in 2011.

So let it be said, so let it be written.

I haven't been wrong yet. (Our 1st round pick will have absolutely no impact)

He will have no impact if you want to be superficial about it. Go ask some of our resident Steeler trolls how "little" impact Casey Hampton has had on their defense over the years.

GO back and look at how little the great 49 ers teams paid their fatasses.

Um sorry, the 49ers paid Harris Barton and Randy Cross plenty of money to keep Joe Montana healthy.

ballpeen

NostraThomas is upset because the Browns never seem to draft what he wants.

Nosta says we have no offensive weapons. I disagree.

Hillis....weapon, but since he is against fatasses, he doesn't count.

Cribbs...I think many teams would like him.

And I think he will be very pleased with Little...a 3rd rounder....and Nostra...wide outs are your dime a dozen position.

Nostra also says it isn't about X's and O's....that is about as far off base as it gets. Football is all about X's and O's...at least football from HS on. Sure, the backyard variety which sounds like the extent of his playing experience is all about athletic ability...." Tommy, just run deep and I'll toss you a bomb."

It's very rare a football player just takes over a game...and it sure as hell isn't a wide receiver. if anything, defender have a far greater chance of dominating a game then do offensive players.

To me, the only thing I wanted to see which we didn't get in this draft was a smaller, scatback type running back.

I think we may have has some targeted, but they were either selected before we could pick them or better players who we didn't expect to be there, were.

nickers

Gene Hickerson was known in his Era,one of not the most atheletic guard of his time...Dont believe it?...Ask Jimmy Brown who ran behind him...And remember your prognostication of Kellen Winslow?...Hes still playing by the way. Ghoulie,I understand your frustration Man.But,calling Joe Thomas a waste is a reach too. Im not crazy about the entire draft either but, I dont think its entirely bad. I love the Greg Little pick. I think down the road he will fare better than Julio Jones. this draft class to Me doesnt come off as great...but, We'll see.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Now I feel bad chastising a person who's obviously mentally inept as well as a complete douchebag.

Gips

@nickers said:

Gene Hickerson was known in his Era,one of not the most atheletic guard of his time...Dont believe it?...Ask Jimmy Brown who ran behind him...And remember your prognostication of Kellen Winslow?...Hes still playing by the way. Ghoulie,I understand your frustration Man.But,calling Joe Thomas a waste is a reach too. Im not crazy about the entire draft either but, I dont think its entirely bad. I love the Greg Little pick. I think down the road he will fare better than Julio Jones. this draft class to Me doesnt come off as great...but, We'll see.

Tom Heckerts drafts have never raised to many eyebrows but the on field results he has yielded over the years are fairly indisputable and rock solid..

nickers

@gips said:

Tom Heckerts drafts have never raised to many eyebrows but the on field results he has yielded over the years are fairly indisputable and rock solid..

And like every draft...this draft has yet remains to be seen....

pizzadeliveryguy

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Look,

The recent SB winners ALL won with their starting OL mostly gone or injured.

Am I saying these ingredients aren't important? No, BUT, if it were left to you guys all you would ever draft in the high rounds would be OL players.

I would argue that is because of their depth on the Oline and Dline that they were able to sustain injuries and still compete at a high level.

Green Bay's last 5 first round picks went OL, OT, DT, LB DT.

Pittsburgh's Last 3 first round picks went DT, C, DT

NO has two "fat asses" as first round picks in their last 5.

Nw220

I gotta agree that you need playmakers as well as O-Lineman like Thomas, and if you dont believe me just ask Barry Sanders..Arguably the greatest playmaker of all time and yet only made the playoffs in his career twice i believe then decided he was tired of it and called it quits early, i think he'd be the first to tell you that he never had a chance from the start.

jwmann2

If these draft guys were experts, the majority of the NFL would not be made up of undrafted athletes aka guys that play their entire career with a chip on their shoulder.

hoorta

@jwmann2 said:

If these draft guys were experts, the majority of the NFL would not be made up of undrafted athletes aka guys that play their entire career with a chip on their shoulder.

Majority? I doubt it. Occasionally, undrafted guys hit it big (Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Jeff Saturday, James Harrison, and Antonio Gates- yeah, I had to look it up), but there's probably not many more in that category currently playing in the NFL.

BTW, the draft is only 7 rounds now, cut down from 17. So a lot of the "undrafted" players would have been picked up back in the day.