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4 Starters In This Draft On Opening Day.

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  • K Kovah

    my bad meant Veikune I always mix them up lol

    @kovah said:

    my bad meant Veikune I always mix them up lol

    That's who i thought you ment... but I can never remember how to spell his name so I didn't try. I like Maiava. He cam from the Clay Mathews LB corp at USC and was a back up (not surprising with all 3 starts going in the first two rounds). He is still relativity untested but I honestly think the switch back to a 4-3 will help him out and at worst he should be a good back up which isn't bad for a 4th round pick.

    Ruining threads since 1897.
  • G Gafreleets

    @thomaspro said:

    DT, DE, FB, and WR. My question is we got 4 starters out of last years draft. QB, S, CB, (Hillis in trade.). So how many more of this awesome drafting by Heckert do we need before we are playoff bound?

    hmmm, maybe let them play a down in the nfl before you start trying to get them into canton?

    @secondwave said:

    I hate to burst a lot of bubbles, but our team doesn't have "great" talent overall. We got a few great players but our 'ensemble' of a cast is nowhere near the likes of New England, Green Bay, New York, hell, even Detroit. If we did happen to make a wild card spot, we'd get destroyed in the playoffs.

    We're gonna take a while to develop. Rome wasn't built in a day. We've got some great building blocks though. At this pace, we could be constant playoff contenders in 2 years or so.

    see, this is the attitude all browns fans should have. realistic optimism. i think the browns have taken the first baby steps towards actually being able to compete in the afcn, but like this intelligent poster above said, it takes time.

    @gafreleets said:

    hmmm, maybe let them play a down in the nfl before you start trying to get them into canton?

    I don't think he was putting them in the Hall of Fame, I think he was just assuming they would make the Browns starting lineup. You do see the difference, don't you?

  • "I don't think he was putting them in the Hall of Fame, I think he was just assuming they would make the Browns starting lineup. You do see the difference, don't you?"

    i don't think he really believed that i thought he was trying to put them into the hof, i was just using sarcasm to show that it's ludacrous to say someone's gonna be a starter (let alone 4 people) before they've even touched a football on the pro level. you see the difference, don't you?

    with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben.
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • The thing about this division is if you win it you are legit superbowl contenders. What makes it especially tough is although we are getting better, so is everyone else, well except Cincy. We're not closing the gap as fast as it seems. I see 3 years minimum before we pull even with the Ravens and Steelers.

    The Steelers have a couple stars and so do the Ravens, but the organization itself has a winning mentality. That's why they win games. Ever notice how guys leave Pittsburgh and then they fall off the map? That's because we have mostly the same talent, but we haven't instilled the same winning experience and background. It hasn't been here since BB was coach. The awful part of it is the Steelers could swap 50% of their team with us and go to the superbowl next year!!

    β€œIt is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Baloney. winning attitudes come with winning. Winning comes with having the right talent in the right places.

    That's been the Browns' downfall - drafting the right talent for the right places.

    The Browns played like a very different team last year, but still had major weaknesses.

    This last draft seals up some of those weak links. Now, things will get a lot tougher for their opponents. We'll see.

  • G Gafreleets

    "I don't think he was putting them in the Hall of Fame, I think he was just assuming they would make the Browns starting lineup. You do see the difference, don't you?"

    i don't think he really believed that i thought he was trying to put them into the hof, i was just using sarcasm to show that it's ludacrous to say someone's gonna be a starter (let alone 4 people) before they've even touched a football on the pro level. you see the difference, don't you?

    @gafreleets said:

    "I don't think he was putting them in the Hall of Fame, I think he was just assuming they would make the Browns starting lineup. You do see the difference, don't you?"

    i don't think he really believed that i thought he was trying to put them into the hof, i was just using sarcasm to show that it's ludacrous to say someone's gonna be a starter (let alone 4 people) before they've even touched a football on the pro level. you see the difference, don't you?

    I think it is appropriate to assume that any draft should equate to 4 starters on a team....if the people doing the drafting are competent. And expecially if there are 'openings" on the starting roster for that talent. Because the Browns have done such a bad job of drafting in the past where we were lucky to get 1 or 2 decent players these "openings" exist. Because Robiskie and MoMass haven't panned out (yet) there is an opening at starting WR....that we should expect Greg Little to fill. Because they dumped Shaun Rogers and are going to a 4-3 there is an opening for a starting DT on this team which we should expect Phil Taylor to fill. Because Kameron Wimbley etc. didn't pan out there is an opening for a pass rushing DE on this team which we should expect Sheard to fill. Because they are apparently going to let Lawrence Vickers go there will be an opening at fullback which we should expect Marecic to fill.

    So, yes, definitely there are holes to fill on this team from which this draft SHOULD produce 4 starters from.

    The question you didn't ask which you should is not whether we should be readying busts in the HOF for them, but whether it is realistic that the fruits of this draft and the last draft should lead to a playoff berth for the Browns? It would have legitimate on your part to question that assertion, i.e. these drafts will lead to playoffs, rather than the one you did ask.

    Browns SHOULD expect 4 starters from this draft, and 4 from the last draft (Haden, Ward, Lauvao, McCoy). That doesn't mean they should expect playoffs.

  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    The thing about this division is if you win it you are legit superbowl contenders. What makes it especially tough is although we are getting better, so is everyone else, well except Cincy. We're not closing the gap as fast as it seems. I see 3 years minimum before we pull even with the Ravens and Steelers.

    The Steelers have a couple stars and so do the Ravens, but the organization itself has a winning mentality. That's why they win games. Ever notice how guys leave Pittsburgh and then they fall off the map? That's because we have mostly the same talent, but we haven't instilled the same winning experience and background. It hasn't been here since BB was coach. The awful part of it is the Steelers could swap 50% of their team with us and go to the superbowl next year!!

    @htownbrown said:

    The thing about this division is if you win it you are legit superbowl contenders. What makes it especially tough is although we are getting better, so is everyone else, well except Cincy. We're not closing the gap as fast as it seems. I see 3 years minimum before we pull even with the Ravens and Steelers.

    The Steelers have a couple stars and so do the Ravens, but the organization itself has a winning mentality. That's why they win games. Ever notice how guys leave Pittsburgh and then they fall off the map? That's because we have mostly the same talent, but we haven't instilled the same winning experience and background. It hasn't been here since BB was coach. The awful part of it is the Steelers could swap 50% of their team with us and go to the superbowl next year!!

    It wasn't here when BB was here. He had losing years in 4 of his 5 season's here.

    In fairness, he learned later to bring a winning attitude to his team, but he didn't do it here.

  • I honestly think Pinkston has a shot to start at RT as well.

    TheGipper - I would be a little disspointed if Lauvao starts over Billy Yates if Yates comes back healthy. I love what Yates was able to do when he played last year. Lauvao didn't impress me much. We will see though. I think we do get a 4th guy contributing from last years draft though ... that guy could be Hardesty or Mitchell though.

  • You guys give Steelerfag way too much credit by indulging his sarcastic remarks like he actually has a contribution to make.

    He is a low level Lumbergh and you know it. Treat him as such: an improvident lackwit who cannot help but troll another team's site. Like so:

    HEY STEELERFAG!

    Here's some logic for you. I am not personally aware that you have ever touched someone on a professionally gay pornographic level, but the homoerotic crisis in your soul is evident and I bet everything I own that you would be great at it.

    Now stop sending me messages asking me out. It is creepy!

  • Don't want to sound like too much of a USC homer, but I thought that the only fulltime LB who played better than Kaluka CONSISTENTLY was Cushing (given that the Trojans used Clay a fair amount as an end). Rey Rey played out of control. Maiava was a beast on D and on Special teams. I loved that pick!

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