Peter King On When Browns Become Legit Playoff Contenders
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I swear - I think Ghoolis is Rich's "other brother Darryl"...
or a clone... or the same person... LOL
Stop living in the past, already.
1. Reuben ? I never once heard raves about Reuben. That's a very Feeble comparison. I even capitalized "feeble"....
Baloney.
And, I see the Browns pick of the Stanford lb/fb, as being a guy who can fill the exact same role here and there, taking some of the load off of Hillis.
2. I'm amazed that Ri... I mean, Ghoolie, thinks that we should have drafted playmakers. We had Braylon Edwards. He was a stud. It's tough to get the ball to him,
when you could hardly run the ball, and your RT was a turnstile. And when you DID make it work, he stupidly dropped the ball when it got there with brick hands and a brain to match...
With a healthy Pashos, and the nice later pick of the LT/RT... that's fixed.
The Browns had Winslow. He was another thoroughbred playmaker. big deal. You can't run the ball, and you can't protect on the right side...
you can only throw short passes... it makes it way too easy on the defenses.
3. I can't believe how some certain "Negative Nellies" can say that the Browns FO is still full of incompetents who don't care, and the picks they made
were terrible, and the Browns will still take years, and the sun won't shine again, forever, after 4 o'clock today... give it up, already.
4. Big stupid rapist Ben throwing the long ball to the wr downfield.... KG, do you EVER watch offensive line play? Did you go back and see the olinemen
the squeelers (your fave team) have drafted? The same for the ratbirds.
IF YOU CAN NOT CONTROL THE LOS, you lose on both offense and defense. Look at Cincy. They sure have had playmakers. Still ended up WHERE in the division?
5. I figure Negative Nellies will only stop being negative whiners about every single thing... when the Browns go to the superbowl. THEN, it will be
"HA. SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BROWNS DO WHAT I SAY THE LAST FOUR YEARS?", all the while ignoring everybody else's pointing out the obvious -
that what they "wanted" never happened in the previous four years.
6. Baloney. Especially about the putdown of Holmgren as not really caring about the Browns... come on. Holmgren is an extremely competitive,
very smart, class coach and GM.
7. Jim Brown, blah blah blah. He was great, yes. But even HE gave all the credit in the world, to his offensive line, for his success. If you want to live in the past,
go back and look at the holes JB had to run through. Why gloat about JB, but never gloat about Gene Hickerson? Sorry, that's just plain dumb.
8. Any hard runner who has to carry so much of the load, of course they get hammered enough that it takes it's toll. With more qb and rushing protection on the right side
of the oline, you can expand the use of your own playbook. It wasn't Hillis that was predictable - it was the playcalling -sometimes out of stupidity, and sometimes
because they couldn't run to the right or roll out to the right, or pass protect on the right, because of St. Claire. He's gone, for good reason. If Pashos gets hurt again...
the Browns KNEW they had to have a legit understudy.
9. I can't believe that anybody can say something like "The Browns need a first round WR, so Little is going to be a #3 because he wasn't drafted in the first round" LOL
sorry.
I couldn't help but laugh. Obviously, KG, you think that Tom Brady was picked in the first round....
10. I guess it must be sad to criticize every freakin thing until the cows come home, or the Browns do get to the superbowl. People like that will never know how much
fun the ride was.
Well, okay, frustrating too... but I don't see frustrating in the Browns' play last year, as a team. Go watch a replay of their games. Like the Jets-Browns game last year.
These Browns are inspired to play kick ass football. That was missing before, with players who didn't give a crap, like Bigfoot DA, Edwards, Quinn, etc....
The biggest reason to be upbeat about the Browns, is their style of play - their intensity. The Browns kept drafting flash, but the character/work ethic/love for the game wasn't there.
The Browns practically WILLED themselves to wins last year, despite some major weaknesses on defense and offense. The Browns did a great job of drafting talent, and finding
gems after the first round, that will also make a big difference.
And, the biggest difference is, the new coaches, new system, and new attitude by the same. All the right moves, means the Browns will be an even more exciting team to
watch next year.
And finally, "being strictly objective about the Browns" means "I get excited when I root for a team that is winning now, no matter who it is"
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Comparison of stats of the AFCN Running backs:
Mendenhall
324 carries
1273 yards
3.9 ypc
79.6 ypg
23 receptions
167 yards/rec
13 TDs
Benson
321 carries
1111 yards
3.5 ypc
69.4 ypg
28 receptions
178 yards/rec
8 TDs
Rice
307 carries
1220 yards
4.0 ypc
76.3 ypg
63 receptions
556 yard rec.
7 TDs
Hillis
270 carries
1177 yards
4.4 ypc
73.6 ypg
61 receptions
477 yards rec.
13 TDs
Nope. Like I said, Hillis needn't take a back seat to any other RB in the division.
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Comparison of stats of the AFCN Running backs:
Mendenhall
324 carries
1273 yards
3.9 ypc
79.6 ypg
23 receptions
167 yards/rec
13 TDs
Benson
321 carries
1111 yards
3.5 ypc
69.4 ypg
28 receptions
178 yards/rec
8 TDs
Rice
307 carries
1220 yards
4.0 ypc
76.3 ypg
63 receptions
556 yard rec.
7 TDs
Hillis
270 carries
1177 yards
4.4 ypc
73.6 ypg
61 receptions
477 yards rec.
13 TDs
Nope. Like I said, Hillis needn't take a back seat to any other RB in the division.
Comparison of stats of the AFCN Running backs:
Mendenhall
324 carries
1273 yards
3.9 ypc
79.6 ypg
23 receptions
167 yards/rec
13 TDs
Benson
321 carries
1111 yards
3.5 ypc
69.4 ypg
28 receptions
178 yards/rec
8 TDs
Rice
307 carries
1220 yards
4.0 ypc
76.3 ypg
63 receptions
556 yard rec.
7 TDs
Hillis
270 carries
1177 yards
4.4 ypc
73.6 ypg
61 receptions
477 yards rec.
13 TDs
Nope. Like I said, Hillis needn't take a back seat to any other RB in the division.
^^^^^^
Roasted. His numbers should be even better this year if the offense is more balanced.
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Comparison of stats of the AFCN Running backs:
Mendenhall
324 carries
1273 yards
3.9 ypc
79.6 ypg
23 receptions
167 yards/rec
13 TDs
Benson
321 carries
1111 yards
3.5 ypc
69.4 ypg
28 receptions
178 yards/rec
8 TDs
Rice
307 carries
1220 yards
4.0 ypc
76.3 ypg
63 receptions
556 yard rec.
7 TDs
Hillis
270 carries
1177 yards
4.4 ypc
73.6 ypg
61 receptions
477 yards rec.
13 TDs
Nope. Like I said, Hillis needn't take a back seat to any other RB in the division.
^^^^^^
Roasted. His numbers should be even better this year if the offense is more balanced.
^^^^^^
Roasted. His numbers should be even better this year if the offense is more balanced.
Well, here is another note about these stats: The AFC North is the only division of the NFL in which every team in the division had a 1000 yard runner with Hillis, Rice, Benson, and Mendenhall.
The only other division to even have 3 teams with 1000 yard runners was the AFC South with Houston, TN, and Jax.
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The AFC North is the only division of the NFL in which every team in the division had a 1000 yard runner with Hillis, Rice, Benson, and Mendenhall. GIP
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Which, btw, makes me really cringe at criticism of the 1st round draft pick by the Browns - Taylor will FIX that, along with Rubin, in a very huge way, no pun intended...
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The AFC North is the only division of the NFL in which every team in the division had a 1000 yard runner with Hillis, Rice, Benson, and Mendenhall. GIP
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Which, btw, makes me really cringe at criticism of the 1st round draft pick by the Browns - Taylor will FIX that, along with Rubin, in a very huge way, no pun intended...
The AFC North is the only division of the NFL in which every team in the division had a 1000 yard runner with Hillis, Rice, Benson, and Mendenhall. GIP
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Which, btw, makes me really cringe at criticism of the 1st round draft pick by the Browns - Taylor will FIX that, along with Rubin, in a very huge way, no pun intended...
Well, here's to hoping that you are right:
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I hate to burst your bubble Ghoolie but Hillis is a better pass cather and a better break the tackles RB in My opinion and Im not trying to slam Mack I love him...But Hillis has way more upside.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Regarding high draft picks........
Braylon Edwards is better than any of our Wrs.
Quinn? Quinn? He wasn't a first rounf pick. Oh yeah, Idiot Phil Savage stepped up and got him, but NOBODY in their right mind wanted that piece of crap.
Here's teh deal, of course high draft pick QBs, WRs and RBs are a huge risk. THat's because hte PAYOUT is CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Linemen don't EVER dramatically impace a team. OUr LT is proof positive of that. TOTAL WASTE of a high pick.
Look, again, study football culture. When kids first sign up to play pee-pee football, if they can't run fast, catch, throw, hit, move. they get sent to the OL. It is the collection bin for the talentless. The DL? A little more important for sure, but again, not tough to find great ones in the lower rounds.
Proof? SIMPLE. 8 - 10 line men on 32 team, most teams go through at least 1.5 sets of them EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Translation? On average over 500 linemen play in the NFL. Conversely, you have 12 QBs, maybe 75 Wrs.
Again, the oL and DL are indeed important............. BUT, the low level talent needed to play these positions demands that they be taken in later rounds.
Now, for 11 years the Browns have gone against this fact of football and you see the results. 5 - 11.
<<OK, well Csonka made the Pro Football HOF.>>
Because he had a HOF QB, WR and other runners to keep people from keying on him.
<<I will take it every day of the week if Hillis makes the PFHOF.>>
Now were are talking UFO's BigFoot, Chupacabra and a bunch of other fantasy nonsense. Hillis isn't going to be a HOF er. He doens't have those kinds of skills.
<And I disagree that he doesn't have the skills to be a mainstay. He WAS THE mainstay of the Browns last year. Almost 1200 yards rushing,>
For a 16 game season that translates to a whopping almost 75 yards rushing a game. In Brown;s day, when it was MUCH HARDER to run the football, 75 yards per game was a C+ grade runner. HIllis is better than a C+, but he isn't going to take anyone to the NFL championships.
<almost 500 yards receiving on 61 catches.>
Yes, because we don't throw downfield. Again, "all this offensive production" resulted in us winning how many games?
<To me, Hillis was a combination of Byner and Mack.>
C mon, HIllis couldn't carry Mack's cock strap. Jeez, dude.
<Sure, he is not shifty like Greg Pruitt or Eric Metcalf, but he more shifty/nimble than either Mike Pruitt or Kevin Mack, and he is almost as strong an powerful as those two are.>
Nah, he's a good back. I like him. As a #2? Yes, but he isn't on par with Earl Campbell, Bettis or some of the other bangers.
We just agree to disagree. The one thing Hillis didn't help provide is ball controll for the offense. THAT is the tell tale sign of how effective he is.
Let's start with the fact that last year was Hillis's first year as a starting RB. It is entirely plausible that he will end up having a better career than Mack or Pruitt. He might even get better. The fact is he was the mainstay of the Browns offense last year, the primary runner, a primary receiver. If the Browns actually do open up the offense more, if the likes of McCoy and Little and the other WRs play up to par, it may open things up for Hillis to perform even better. Right now, the entire opponents defenses will be keying on Hillis for sure. But if things open up, they won't be able to do that.
Let's agree on this much Ghoulie: to be a championship contender a team needs balance. They need a good OL, a good running game, a good QB, and a good passing game, and a strong defense. The Browns are not going to become a championship contender until they get all that.
What we can say, I believe, is that the Browns running game is the only component right now that might measure up to championship caliber. Hillis' performance, running and catching, to me is reminiscent of the play of Roger Craig. The 49ers won quite a few SBs with him as their primary running back. If the Browns had the other components that the 49ers had, Hillis could be their Roger Craig.
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I hate to burst your bubble Ghoolie but Hillis is a better pass cather and a better break the tackles RB in My opinion and Im not trying to slam Mack I love him...But Hillis has way more upside.
I hate to burst your bubble Ghoolie but Hillis is a better pass cather and a better break the tackles RB in My opinion and Im not trying to slam Mack I love him...But Hillis has way more upside.
Hillis is not the pure plowhorse that Mack was. Hillis actually has some shake and bake that Mack did not have.
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Every one of the current Browns' wr's, including Little, have:
Way better hands than Braylon Edwards...
Cares more about the team than Braylon Edwards,
has a far better work ethic than Braylon Edwards,
is smarter and more disciplined than Braylon Edwards...
is tougher mentally and physically than Braylon Edwards,
just to set the record straight....
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Every one of the current Browns' wr's, including Little, have:
Way better hands than Braylon Edwards...
Cares more about the team than Braylon Edwards,
has a far better work ethic than Braylon Edwards,
is smarter and more disciplined than Braylon Edwards...
is tougher mentally and physically than Braylon Edwards,
just to set the record straight....
Every one of the current Browns' wr's, including Little, have:
Way better hands than Braylon Edwards...
Cares more about the team than Braylon Edwards,
has a far better work ethic than Braylon Edwards,
is smarter and more disciplined than Braylon Edwards...
is tougher mentally and physically than Braylon Edwards,
just to set the record straight....
I hate Edwards as much as the next guy but he is much better than anything we have at WR.
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Note that I DID leave out "speed" and "size".... he has that going for him.
I'm glad he's gone, regardless. He was a doofus !
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Sorry, KG, but I beg to differ.
We will all see the difference Taylor will make. Last year, when opposing offenses had third and short, and Rogers had to take a breather,
teams could get a first down right up the middle often. Go back and look at the Jets game, for instance, - they recently replayed it on the NFL channel.
And, those offenses just kept throwing against Wright. Note, that when they threw against Ward and Haden, the passes I saw were knocked down, etc.
The trouble you are having - is understanding that the supporting cast enables the super flashy players to be able to excel.
Remember - when the dirty, ugly stupid stinkin ratbirds drafted the big hulk NT out of Oregon after trading up with the BROWNS? It solidified their defensive line hugely.
Same thing with Taylor, and HE IS a 4-3 guy, it's what he played in college. Talor is Rogers as a rookie. I wouldn't knock it.
If you think you could have gotten a Taylor after the first round, well, show me who. I say there most certainly was none. The Browns were very lucky to have found Rubin
where they did.
All sorts of folks want the flashy bigtime qb. There are plenty of examples of how flashy, bigtime qb's have come into the league, and gotten beaten up.
Rapistburger fell into a situation where they had a LOT of competitive, if not excellent, talent around him. They plugged in Rapistburger, and away they went.
The Browns are building a TEAM, not a ragtag motley crew of expensive, blue chippie flashy diva talents who either get in motorcycle accidents or are locker room cancers
or have rock hands or who simple couldn't care less about working as part of a team.
The Bengals did things your way, KG, and they still suck. They had huge salary bigtime Ouchi Stinko, AND TO AND.... still didn't work.
The Browns made moves to dominate the los in the midde of the defensive line, which will open things up for the DE's. They got a DE that
I believe was a mid to late first round kind of talent (DE) in a deep list of prominent DE's this past year. The more I watch Greg Little on the field, the more I have to
laugh - I believe he will turn out to be a brilliant steal.
It's about talent, smarts and TEAM. The Browns have all too often in the past, drafted flash. But they couldn't run the ball, couldn't protect the qb...couldn't stop the run,
and couldn't stop the pass. Yeah, but they sure had a bigtime flashy TE and WR and that "mad dog in a meat house" lb...
The past two drafts are a very smart, refreshing change - the Browns are building a TEAM. And next year with TWO FIRST ROUNDS (come on, you have to love that)...
the qb's in the draft next year can't help but be a higher class of qb's - the Browns will be sitting pretty. They could get a bigtime qb AND a bigtime lb...
You get all the pieces in place, THEN you put the flashy blue chippie qb in place. I'll never forget how Archie Manning and a few others got the hell knocked out of them,
Tim Couch style.
You can't control the los, you don't win. That's it. Flash all you want, but football games are able to be won - iAT the los, because only THEN can the flashy blue chippie
players do their cool stuff.
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I highly doubt this year. A 10-6 record won't get it done in the NFL today and that's a big if we even get a 10-6 record which I also doubt. We can't win the division unlike the Seahawks.
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lol...stop toiling with the boy who claims he knows football. its obvious when his excuse for his opinions is that no one else knows anything....its pretty xxxxing sad actually. but more funny....
so thats all you can come up with ghoolie....your great rationale is that we dont know anything about football? dont look in the mirror then kid....you might not like what you see....
lmao....wow.
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lol...stop toiling with the boy who claims he knows football. its obvious when his excuse for his opinions is that no one else knows anything....its pretty xxxxing sad actually. but more funny....
so thats all you can come up with ghoolie....your great rationale is that we dont know anything about football? dont look in the mirror then kid....you might not like what you see....
lmao....wow.
lol...stop toiling with the boy who claims he knows football. its obvious when his excuse for his opinions is that no one else knows anything....its pretty xxxxing sad actually. but more funny....
so thats all you can come up with ghoolie....your great rationale is that we dont know anything about football? dont look in the mirror then kid....you might not like what you see....
lmao....wow.
Thats all he does on the other threads as well. He is here to troll and put down anything Cleveland. Sad pathetic troll.
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