Randy Lerner Losing Popularity At Aston Villa
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Zombo said:
Soccer's a good game for girls. Men have come up with much more hardcore, interesting games which is why soccer fails in America and Canada but is all the rave in Euro-soft counties.
I'm going to watch Hockey tonight and I guarantee you that no one will flop around like a school girl if someone accidently touches them.
Then I'm going to wait for football season where getting hammered is part of the game and nobody whines about it.
Enjoy your soccer.
Z
1. You're right there are more hardcore games than soccer. Rugby for example, padding for protection free zone, where in England "soccer" and rugby are played by many of the same people at a non professional level.
English football aka soccer unfortunately does have an element of euro softies attempting to ruin the games with theatrical dives and play acting. With satellite tv this is what the USA audience sees, probably worth a mention though that the english game has been built on tha back of players with nicknames such as "bites ya legs hunter" "chopper harris" and a descriptions "he wasn't born they got him from a rock quarry"
I don't recall any of those softies going on strike cos lifes not fair waaaah
1. You're right there are more hardcore games than soccer. Rugby for example, padding for protection free zone, where in England "soccer" and rugby are played by many of the same people at a non professional level.
English football aka soccer unfortunately does have an element of euro softies attempting to ruin the games with theatrical dives and play acting. With satellite tv this is what the USA audience sees, probably worth a mention though that the english game has been built on tha back of players with nicknames such as "bites ya legs hunter" "chopper harris" and a descriptions "he wasn't born they got him from a rock quarry"
I don't recall any of those softies going on strike cos lifes not fair waaaah
FYI, the football players here did not go on strike. They were locked out by the owners. The owners are trying to get the players to make "give backs". Primarily they want the players to take a smaller piece of the revenue pie.
You know how it is. The very wealthy always want the middle class and the poor to give them more money to fatten their already fat pockets. Like, who is this woman who is running that says that to decrease unemployment in this country we should eliminate the minimum wage? Yea, like that is really going to solve our problems. Giving someone $2.00 an hour instead of $7.00 an hour is really going to put a lot of people to work in a job in which that income can sustain a family. Right. Not that the NFL players are poor, or even middle class.
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Zombo said:
Soccer's a good game for girls. Men have come up with much more hardcore, interesting games which is why soccer fails in America and Canada but is all the rave in Euro-soft counties.
I'm going to watch Hockey tonight and I guarantee you that no one will flop around like a school girl if someone accidently touches them.
Then I'm going to wait for football season where getting hammered is part of the game and nobody whines about it.
Enjoy your soccer.
Z
1. You're right there are more hardcore games than soccer. Rugby for example, padding for protection free zone, where in England "soccer" and rugby are played by many of the same people at a non professional level.
English football aka soccer unfortunately does have an element of euro softies attempting to ruin the games with theatrical dives and play acting. With satellite tv this is what the USA audience sees, probably worth a mention though that the english game has been built on tha back of players with nicknames such as "bites ya legs hunter" "chopper harris" and a descriptions "he wasn't born they got him from a rock quarry"
I don't recall any of those softies going on strike cos lifes not fair waaaah
1. You're right there are more hardcore games than soccer. Rugby for example, padding for protection free zone, where in England "soccer" and rugby are played by many of the same people at a non professional level.
English football aka soccer unfortunately does have an element of euro softies attempting to ruin the games with theatrical dives and play acting. With satellite tv this is what the USA audience sees, probably worth a mention though that the english game has been built on tha back of players with nicknames such as "bites ya legs hunter" "chopper harris" and a descriptions "he wasn't born they got him from a rock quarry"
I don't recall any of those softies going on strike cos lifes not fair waaaah
My cousin, who is an Englishman, loves Rugby. He has traveled around the world to New Zealand and Australia for Rugby Cups. He hates soccer. His direct quote is that the players are a bunch of "preening pansies". In the bit I have watched I have seen some of that. In one World Cup match that I caught a bit of there was one country's team that was full of more melodrama than a bad opera. I recall the announcers roundly chastising them for their total theatrics.
Need more evidence? They should get Nathan Lane to portray some of these guys:
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Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
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Zombo said:
Ya, well, soccer's gay.
Zombo
still lmao.
Not wanting a debate on football versus american football, it's a cultural thing. Just seriously wondering whether as an owner of the Browns Randy has encountered or if such appointment was made would encounter a hostile backlash. Don't get me wrong by the way, I would still say that Randy has the backing of the majority of supporters, they just think he's temporarily gone insane
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Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
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Zombo said:
Lerner made a bit of a strange selection when chose Eric Mangini as head coach, the story goes that one of the reporters said that Randy perked up at a press conference when he was told Mangini was fired, then he went out and hired him when there were more "savory" guys available. He also hired a guy to be GM that was gone in 6 months which left the team rudderless with only poor Mangini in charge. Mangini is a good enough football guy, but he had no chance. Then, finally, Lerner signed Mike Holmgren as President and to handle all football operations, including hires, and Lerner goes off to England and meddles with your soccer team instead. Best thing Lerner ever did was hand the reigns over to Holmgren and get out of the way. He's got deep pockets (thanks to Daddy), but he's not much of an administrator.
He does seem to be a loyal guy that cares about the fans though.
Zombo
Exactly. His old man was a Marine, and a Marine Flag flies above Browns Stadium. But his son, the current owner is kind of a puss--y. Probably grew up a rich boy and never new anything hard. That being said, he did inherit the team and I think he is doing his best.
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Zombo said:
Lerner made a bit of a strange selection when chose Eric Mangini as head coach, the story goes that one of the reporters said that Randy perked up at a press conference when he was told Mangini was fired, then he went out and hired him when there were more "savory" guys available. He also hired a guy to be GM that was gone in 6 months which left the team rudderless with only poor Mangini in charge. Mangini is a good enough football guy, but he had no chance. Then, finally, Lerner signed Mike Holmgren as President and to handle all football operations, including hires, and Lerner goes off to England and meddles with your soccer team instead. Best thing Lerner ever did was hand the reigns over to Holmgren and get out of the way. He's got deep pockets (thanks to Daddy), but he's not much of an administrator.
He does seem to be a loyal guy that cares about the fans though.
Zombo
Yea, that is why I said originally that you need to tell us whether or not Randy learned his lesson from the Browns and applied it over there. Possibly not by what you are saying.
I think he means well, but just has had trouble getting the right people in place on his teams.
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Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
If i were you i would be thinking exactly that. However, as someone that has been to many of these games i have to admit that no matter how calm and non-violent a person you are, it is hard to keep control of your emotions. It is absolute hatred, that is the one word that sums it up... Hatred!
Back on topic, Randy has really betrayed the fans on this one. I honestly dont know what the equivalent would be for you guys... An englishman buying your team then appointing the worst possible coach he can think of, despite protests at the Stadium from fans, players saying it would be bad for team morale, death threats to owner and coach, getting sued by your bitter rivals and fans burning their season tickets and jerseys! It is a complete mind f**k that he has chosen this guy, it will lead to riots in the city!
For the record, i know nothing about NFL, i like to watch it occasionally, but i joined to know how you guys feel about Lerner... Good night one and all
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Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
If i were you i would be thinking exactly that. However, as someone that has been to many of these games i have to admit that no matter how calm and non-violent a person you are, it is hard to keep control of your emotions. It is absolute hatred, that is the one word that sums it up... Hatred!
Back on topic, Randy has really betrayed the fans on this one. I honestly dont know what the equivalent would be for you guys... An englishman buying your team then appointing the worst possible coach he can think of, despite protests at the Stadium from fans, players saying it would be bad for team morale, death threats to owner and coach, getting sued by your bitter rivals and fans burning their season tickets and jerseys! It is a complete mind f**k that he has chosen this guy, it will lead to riots in the city!
For the record, i know nothing about NFL, i like to watch it occasionally, but i joined to know how you guys feel about Lerner... Good night one and all
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Zombo said:
Lerner made a bit of a strange selection when chose Eric Mangini as head coach, the story goes that one of the reporters said that Randy perked up at a press conference when he was told Mangini was fired, then he went out and hired him when there were more "savory" guys available. He also hired a guy to be GM that was gone in 6 months which left the team rudderless with only poor Mangini in charge. Mangini is a good enough football guy, but he had no chance. Then, finally, Lerner signed Mike Holmgren as President and to handle all football operations, including hires, and Lerner goes off to England and meddles with your soccer team instead. Best thing Lerner ever did was hand the reigns over to Holmgren and get out of the way. He's got deep pockets (thanks to Daddy), but he's not much of an administrator.
He does seem to be a loyal guy that cares about the fans though.
Zombo
I live in hope then that he's on a learning curve at the Villa. He has the equivalent of club president he leaves to run the club who a lot of fans are laying the blame on. He's considered an American pr guy with no knowledge of "soccer" (by Villa fans) who I guess is a guy Randy trusts. Appreciate all the replies and good luck to The Browns from The Limeys
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Randy Lerner is expected to name a new manager who was allegedly
'tapped up" from Aston Villa's fiercest rivals.
Randy Lerner is expected to name a new manager who was allegedly
'tapped up" from Aston Villa's fiercest rivals.
Randy should keep his priorities in order. If you can throw money around in soccer you need to be buying the building blocks for your real "football" team. No one around here gives rats azz about his kick ball team winning or losing.
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Some of you are a little harsh on these guys who are just looking for information. I think you forget that they are just as passionate about they're sport as we are about ours.
I would bet everything I own that if one of them were to tell you how stupud american football is you would take offense and start trash taking them.
No wonder everyone hates Americans.
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Zombo said:
Lerner made a bit of a strange selection when chose Eric Mangini as head coach, the story goes that one of the reporters said that Randy perked up at a press conference when he was told Mangini was fired, then he went out and hired him when there were more "savory" guys available. He also hired a guy to be GM that was gone in 6 months which left the team rudderless with only poor Mangini in charge. Mangini is a good enough football guy, but he had no chance. Then, finally, Lerner signed Mike Holmgren as President and to handle all football operations, including hires, and Lerner goes off to England and meddles with your soccer team instead. Best thing Lerner ever did was hand the reigns over to Holmgren and get out of the way. He's got deep pockets (thanks to Daddy), but he's not much of an administrator.
He does seem to be a loyal guy that cares about the fans though.
Zombo
I live in hope then that he's on a learning curve at the Villa. He has the equivalent of club president he leaves to run the club who a lot of fans are laying the blame on. He's considered an American pr guy with no knowledge of "soccer" (by Villa fans) who I guess is a guy Randy trusts. Appreciate all the replies and good luck to The Browns from The Limeys
I live in hope then that he's on a learning curve at the Villa. He has the equivalent of club president he leaves to run the club who a lot of fans are laying the blame on.
Well, he has done the same thing here....hired a well respected Club President. A former Super Bowl winning coach and GM. Doesn't the guy he hired for AV have a similar type background?
He's considered an American pr guy with no knowledge of "soccer" (by Villa fans) who I guess is a guy Randy trusts. Appreciate all the replies and good luck to The Browns from The Limeys
Refresh our memories: who is the American PR guy that Lerner hired to run AV?
Sometimes, over here, a team will hire a "Club President" whose only real job is to run the club finances and PR, but not to run the football operations. That is what the "General Manager" does. In the past the Browns have had that model, but not now. Now they have hired Holmgren, the Super Bowl coach/GM, as Club President, and Tom Heckert as GM. Heckert's job is primarily talent acquisition. Together they have hired a new Head Coach, Pat Shurmur.
All these guys are "Football" guys, not accountants or PR types, though that certainly falls within their duties.
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Zombo said:
They know we're just xxxxing with them. It's mid-June and there's a lockout ... we're getting antsy.
Besides we don't include the English as "Euro Sofites", the Limeys have proven their metal over and over, they are tough SOBs and their soccer league is the best.
Zombo
--that said, soccer is gay.
Although, Andrew Jackson with only about 4000 men, did open a can of whoopass on the British who had about 20,000 men at the Battle of New Orleans.
And don't forget Saratoga and Yorktown. And the Cowpens.
And don't forget about the Battle of Lake Erie.
Westide Steve can tell you about it:
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Zombo said:
Well, they're not AMERICAN tough ... but those mofos never backed down to Hitler, while the Frenchies rolled over like ... well, like a French whore.
Zombo
OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
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Zombo said:
They know we're just xxxxing with them. It's mid-June and there's a lockout ... we're getting antsy.
Besides we don't include the English as "Euro Sofites", the Limeys have proven their metal over and over, they are tough SOBs and their soccer league is the best.
Zombo
--that said, soccer is gay.
Hey Z you don't have to like it- just try to understand it- slow motion hockey.
And after watching some of the clips- I proclaim that baseball is pretty gay too. Must take drugs to up home run count.
Some pu$$y catcher's agent is whining because a guy slid into him too hard? How about Buckner losing the World Series flubbing a ball with a mistake that pee-wee league kids are taught to avoid?
PS I'm all for taking flares and baseball bats to Browns Steelers games.
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Zombo said:
They know we're just xxxxing with them. It's mid-June and there's a lockout ... we're getting antsy.
Besides we don't include the English as "Euro Sofites", the Limeys have proven their metal over and over, they are tough SOBs and their soccer league is the best.
Zombo
--that said, soccer is gay.
We do know you're xxxxing with us and it's all good. I've had a good laugh at most the comments on here.
As for everybody hates the Americans !!! That's just not true I mean there are countries around the world that will support and back an America under attack with their last breath as patriotically as Americans themselves. There's England and then there's ........ well England !
The ceo/president that Randy leaves running the club is Paul Faulkner, previous background is that he held some kinda position with mbna.
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Zombo said:
Well, they're not AMERICAN tough ... but those mofos never backed down to Hitler, while the Frenchies rolled over like ... well, like a French whore.
Zombo
OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
So you would choose the French to have your back ?
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Zombo said:
They know we're just xxxxing with them. It's mid-June and there's a lockout ... we're getting antsy.
Besides we don't include the English as "Euro Sofites", the Limeys have proven their metal over and over, they are tough SOBs and their soccer league is the best.
Zombo
--that said, soccer is gay.
Hey Z you don't have to like it- just try to understand it- slow motion hockey.
And after watching some of the clips- I proclaim that baseball is pretty gay too. Must take drugs to up home run count.
Some pu$$y catcher's agent is whining because a guy slid into him too hard? How about Buckner losing the World Series flubbing a ball with a mistake that pee-wee league kids are taught to avoid?
PS I'm all for taking flares and baseball bats to Browns Steelers games.
Hey Z you don't have to like it- just try to understand it- slow motion hockey.
And after watching some of the clips- I proclaim that baseball is pretty gay too. Must take drugs to up home run count.
Some pu$$y catcher's agent is whining because a guy slid into him too hard? How about Buckner losing the World Series flubbing a ball with a mistake that pee-wee league kids are taught to avoid?
PS I'm all for taking flares and baseball bats to Browns Steelers games.
I can watch baseball no problem, however I cannot understand why it would be used to point out how slow soccer is !!!! Really ? I mean lets throw the ball to first base, then lets fake that we're throwing it to first base...epeat several times then pitch a foul ball, game interrupted while the coach walks into the field and mimicks coaching a 2nd grader by telling him what he's doing wrong, a decent game ? Yes I'm warming to it but faster than soccer ? No
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