Randy Lerner Losing Popularity At Aston Villa
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Zombo said:
Well, they're not AMERICAN tough ... but those mofos never backed down to Hitler, while the Frenchies rolled over like ... well, like a French whore.
Zombo
OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
So you would choose the French to have your back ?
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Zombo said:
They know we're just xxxxing with them. It's mid-June and there's a lockout ... we're getting antsy.
Besides we don't include the English as "Euro Sofites", the Limeys have proven their metal over and over, they are tough SOBs and their soccer league is the best.
Zombo
--that said, soccer is gay.
Hey Z you don't have to like it- just try to understand it- slow motion hockey.
And after watching some of the clips- I proclaim that baseball is pretty gay too. Must take drugs to up home run count.
Some pu$$y catcher's agent is whining because a guy slid into him too hard? How about Buckner losing the World Series flubbing a ball with a mistake that pee-wee league kids are taught to avoid?
PS I'm all for taking flares and baseball bats to Browns Steelers games.
Hey Z you don't have to like it- just try to understand it- slow motion hockey.
And after watching some of the clips- I proclaim that baseball is pretty gay too. Must take drugs to up home run count.
Some pu$$y catcher's agent is whining because a guy slid into him too hard? How about Buckner losing the World Series flubbing a ball with a mistake that pee-wee league kids are taught to avoid?
PS I'm all for taking flares and baseball bats to Browns Steelers games.
I can watch baseball no problem, however I cannot understand why it would be used to point out how slow soccer is !!!! Really ? I mean lets throw the ball to first base, then lets fake that we're throwing it to first base...epeat several times then pitch a foul ball, game interrupted while the coach walks into the field and mimicks coaching a 2nd grader by telling him what he's doing wrong, a decent game ? Yes I'm warming to it but faster than soccer ? No
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Paul Faulkner's intended role must be the equivalent of the club president. However I guess both Randy and PF have been thrown in at the deep end and have had to get involved in football matters. They have access to "advisors" and hopefully things will work out and Randy will be proven right (He as now gone ahead and appointed McCleish as manager, but he made sure he'd left the country before it was announced).
When RL first took over the club he had a manager in place who ran the football side of things, in fact true to tradition the manager insisted on running the club his way, with an owner/chairman writing the checks or not. Since that manager quit the club the selection methods the club are employing and perhaps lack of contacts within English football that is under fire. I wonder if RL may be looking to create a position at Villa for a Tom Heckert equivalent. The problem that he will encounter is this is the "director of football" position used in european clubs, has been tried in England but met with huge resistance by English managers who see it as interfering with their jobs and fans in turn see it as moving away from the tradition of the English game.
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Gipper, you said
"I don't know if it goes that far. Very few cities in America have more than 1 team per town in the major sports. Only NYC, Chicago and LA do"
In England its more like 2 or 3, maybe more teams in a city and its outskirts (within 30 miles of each other). Rivalry in English 'soccer' is something very different to what you experience over in the US. When Aston Villa play our main rival, Birmingham City (who's former coach Randy Lerner is trying to employ) it is always on a Sunday at midday and the police presence is increased 10fold.
This is typical of a 'Second City Derby' as its known.
It's not banter, its not a laugh, a couple of years ago a Villa fan was killed after Aston Villa beat Birmingham City 5-1, i'm not trying to glorify the violence i just think you need to know the importance of local pride in English football (soccer).
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
Well, the "hooliganism" of English soccer fans is well renowned. I am not sure it is a thing to be proud for some of these guys, even though they may think it is. They may as well wear a sign around their necks saying "I'm a F****ing Idiot". Fair to say?
Fair to say ? yes most certainly. Can you say you've never been to a sporting event where there was a list of candidates present who would qualify for that same sign ? How much provocation from rivals would it take to start a mass fight at say a college game ?
The hooligan era was largely in the late 70's and 80's, while fights between fans were common place between fans, prior to the 70's it was I would imagine, similar to a fight on the ice between players at a hockey game. It would be a "good old scrap" guaranteed of no weapons just punches, I've even witnessed cops get involved in punch ups, with shouts of come on then, no arrests. Fights would run their course and be brief, being not much more than a talking point for the fans.
During the late 70's and 80's it became far more organized. A minority of fans would organize fights with fans of other teams. in city centre's hours before a game, during a game or hours after the game was over. All clubs had an element of these fans and today's equivalents I guess would be fight clubs. Because of close proximity, think of 90 teams within one state, at each game there is usually several thousand supporters of the away side. The away games still are a great time to travel to different cities in large numbers drinking from start to finish and are generally a bachelor weekend every other week. The organizers of the fghts would take advantage of the large number of drunken young males and in pubs before games would start rumours of the other teams fans are on their way. The clashes that followed are well documented.
Since the 80's cops have used cctv placed up to 5 miles around stadiums, computer facial recognition systems, undercover intelligence and early morning swat team raids to break the hooligan element. The rivalry between clubs like Villa and Birmingham are from a far more deep seated hatred of each other. Being only a short distance away from each other travelling to each others ground is not an obstacle, and so there a large numbers of both sets of supporters travelling to an away game. Unlike the lets go the game and have a fight and then go for a beer afterwards, the Villa - B'ham rivalry does not go away in between games, going for a quiet lunchtime drink and venturing into the wrong pub, being recognized as a supporter of the rival team can lead to a very dangerous situation.
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OK, but remember, it was the French that helped us defeat Britain and gain our independence.
Think about it though: I don't believe the US has ever fought a war against the French. We have had wars with most other major European countries: Britain twice. Spain, Italy, Germany twice, Austria/Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, even a cold war with Russia.
Though, apparently there was some kind of "Quasi-War", undeclared between the US and France from 1798-1800 over French Privateers attacking American shipping. Apparently Revolutionary France was angry that the US declared its neutrality in it conflict with Britain.
They were also angry that the US didn't repay its monetary debt to France from the American Revolution. Apparently the US claimed it owed the government of the French Royal Crown that had been deposed, not the new French Revolutionary government. There were really only a few minor skirmishes that occurred in this "war", mainly over French ships attacking merchant vessels and attempting to impress US citizens into its navy. The French would grab these ships, and the US would try to grab them back. The whole "conflict" ended when Napolean came to power and made peace with the US.
So you would choose the French to have your back ?
So you would choose the French to have your back ?
Ah.....No. At least not at any point post 1815.
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Paul Faulkner's intended role must be the equivalent of the club president. However I guess both Randy and PF have been thrown in at the deep end and have had to get involved in football matters. They have access to "advisors" and hopefully things will work out and Randy will be proven right (He as now gone ahead and appointed McCleish as manager, but he made sure he'd left the country before it was announced).
When RL first took over the club he had a manager in place who ran the football side of things, in fact true to tradition the manager insisted on running the club his way, with an owner/chairman writing the checks or not. Since that manager quit the club the selection methods the club are employing and perhaps lack of contacts within English football that is under fire. I wonder if RL may be looking to create a position at Villa for a Tom Heckert equivalent. The problem that he will encounter is this is the "director of football" position used in european clubs, has been tried in England but met with huge resistance by English managers who see it as interfering with their jobs and fans in turn see it as moving away from the tradition of the English game.
Paul Faulkner's intended role must be the equivalent of the club president. However I guess both Randy and PF have been thrown in at the deep end and have had to get involved in football matters. They have access to "advisors" and hopefully things will work out and Randy will be proven right (He as now gone ahead and appointed McCleish as manager, but he made sure he'd left the country before it was announced).
When RL first took over the club he had a manager in place who ran the football side of things, in fact true to tradition the manager insisted on running the club his way, with an owner/chairman writing the checks or not. Since that manager quit the club the selection methods the club are employing and perhaps lack of contacts within English football that is under fire. I wonder if RL may be looking to create a position at Villa for a Tom Heckert equivalent. The problem that he will encounter is this is the "director of football" position used in european clubs, has been tried in England but met with huge resistance by English managers who see it as interfering with their jobs and fans in turn see it as moving away from the tradition of the English game.
OK, correct me if I am wrong, but is the "Manager" of a soccer club the equivalent to the "Head Coach" in the NFL?
(We do call the "head coach" of a baseball team its 'manager')
Most all pro sports here in this country have learned that you need to bifurcate the "Head Coach/Manager" job from that of the "General Manager" or the Club President. They have learned that doing both jobs is just too much for one man. Oh, it has happened in the past. Mike Holmgren, Browns current Club President was both HC and GM in Seattle. Only when he fired himself from the GM job and concentrate strictly on coaching did that team have any success.
It is possible that Lerner is trying to bring the same model there.
Ask anyone here and I beleive they will tell you that it is better to let a coach coach and to have a GM to do all those other jobs, like player acquisition.
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This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
Exactly- no reason to call soccer sissy just because you didn't grow up with it. It's the most popular sport in the world though some Americans are still in denial about that.
And Z, personally I find baseball to be monumentally boring. I'd far rather tune into the woman's World Cup than watch a baseball game. Oh, I might start getting interested if the Indians are still in contention come September. But football has surpassed baseball for a lot of reasons. Taken individually, each BB game is meaningless. The season is way too long- they could easily knock a month off of each end of the season, though it will never happen because of the $$$$. Yup, playing outside in Minnesota early April or October for a series that's the ticket. Baseball was never meant to be played in 30 degree weather. Add in the screwed up salary structure, where teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can use every small market team as their Farm Clubs.
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This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
Exactly- no reason to call soccer sissy just because you didn't grow up with it. It's the most popular sport in the world though some Americans are still in denial about that.
And Z, personally I find baseball to be monumentally boring. I'd far rather tune into the woman's World Cup than watch a baseball game. Oh, I might start getting interested if the Indians are still in contention come September. But football has surpassed baseball for a lot of reasons. Taken individually, each BB game is meaningless. The season is way too long- they could easily knock a month off of each end of the season, though it will never happen because of the $$$$. Yup, playing outside in Minnesota early April or October for a series that's the ticket. Baseball was never meant to be played in 30 degree weather. Add in the screwed up salary structure, where teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can use every small market team as their Farm Clubs.
Exactly- no reason to call soccer sissy just because you didn't grow up with it. It's the most popular sport in the world though some Americans are still in denial about that.
And Z, personally I find baseball to be monumentally boring. I'd far rather tune into the woman's World Cup than watch a baseball game. Oh, I might start getting interested if the Indians are still in contention come September. But football has surpassed baseball for a lot of reasons. Taken individually, each BB game is meaningless. The season is way too long- they could easily knock a month off of each end of the season, though it will never happen because of the $$$$. Yup, playing outside in Minnesota early April or October for a series that's the ticket. Baseball was never meant to be played in 30 degree weather. Add in the screwed up salary structure, where teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can use every small market team as their Farm Clubs.
OK, but talk about lengths of seasons. If baseball were to encroach on other teams seasons the way the NBA and NHL do, baseball would be played until the middle of December. Those two leagues go monumentally long.
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This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
When I was in Ireland a few years back the big sporting event going on at the time were the Snooker championships.
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This all culturally based people. When I lived in England I loved watching my Leeds United play Man U. It was awesome. More noise with 20,000 people then at any NFL game I've been to. When I come back to the states, I loved seeing my Browns play Pittsburgh. And Tribe play the Yankees. If you haven't lived in a culture that loves a sport more then what YOU love, then shut the fook up. They are both awesome.
When I was in Ireland a few years back the big sporting event going on at the time were the Snooker championships.
When I was in Ireland a few years back the big sporting event going on at the time were the Snooker championships.
I love snooker, used to cut school, smoke pot and play.
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When I was in Ireland a few years back the big sporting event going on at the time were the Snooker championships.
I love snooker, used to cut school, smoke pot and play.
I love snooker, used to cut school, smoke pot and play.
Now, you know, snooker and pool are not the same game, though they are similar.
Snooker is played on a bigger table, and the balls are different. Half the snooker balls are usually red, and they are pocketed in different order. I do not believe snooker plays the typical "8 ball" or "9 ball games" that pool players play.
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Snooker:
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I love snooker, used to cut school, smoke pot and play.
Now, you know, snooker and pool are not the same game, though they are similar.
Snooker is played on a bigger table, and the balls are different. Half the snooker balls are usually red, and they are pocketed in different order. I do not believe snooker plays the typical "8 ball" or "9 ball games" that pool players play.
Now, you know, snooker and pool are not the same game, though they are similar.
Snooker is played on a bigger table, and the balls are different. Half the snooker balls are usually red, and they are pocketed in different order. I do not believe snooker plays the typical "8 ball" or "9 ball games" that pool players play.
Dude, I LIVED in England for 3 years. Snooker was on TV 3 times a week.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
Does the game have anything to do with the term "snookered" i.e wasted, trashed, drunk, shtfaced?
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Does the game have anything to do with the term "snookered" i.e wasted, trashed, drunk, shtfaced?
Does the game have anything to do with the term "snookered" i.e wasted, trashed, drunk, shtfaced?
i think snookered means getting 'taken' or 'ripped off'. you're think of snockered.
i used to run 5 miles a day when in the army. one day i went to our bases' soccer game against some civilian team. i knew most of the players on the team so they asked me to fill-in for a guy that was going to be late that way they wouldn't forfeit the game. hadn't play a lick of soccer ever in my life but they basically yelled telling me what to do as not to blow anything. i probably played 15 minutes and was more tired and exhausted after those 15 minutes than any 5 mile run or obstacle course we used to do.
BUT saying all that.....it's still gay.
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Could be why you never seee a pro soccer player with a beer gut. they all look leaned out which probably
adds to their perceived gayness. Not that there is anything wrong with that
JERRY: Y'know I hear that all the time.
ELAINE: Hear what?
JERRY: That I'm gay. People think I'm gay.
ELAINE: Yeah, you know people ask me that about you, too.
JERRY: Yeah, 'cuz I'm single, I'm thin and I'm neat.
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Does the game have anything to do with the term "snookered" i.e wasted, trashed, drunk, shtfaced?
i think snookered means getting 'taken' or 'ripped off'. you're think of snockered.
i used to run 5 miles a day when in the army. one day i went to our bases' soccer game against some civilian team. i knew most of the players on the team so they asked me to fill-in for a guy that was going to be late that way they wouldn't forfeit the game. hadn't play a lick of soccer ever in my life but they basically yelled telling me what to do as not to blow anything. i probably played 15 minutes and was more tired and exhausted after those 15 minutes than any 5 mile run or obstacle course we used to do.
BUT saying all that.....it's still gay.
i think snookered means getting 'taken' or 'ripped off'. you're think of snockered.
i used to run 5 miles a day when in the army. one day i went to our bases' soccer game against some civilian team. i knew most of the players on the team so they asked me to fill-in for a guy that was going to be late that way they wouldn't forfeit the game. hadn't play a lick of soccer ever in my life but they basically yelled telling me what to do as not to blow anything. i probably played 15 minutes and was more tired and exhausted after those 15 minutes than any 5 mile run or obstacle course we used to do.
BUT saying all that.....it's still gay.
I played Rugby in Okinawa when I was in the Navy. No padding, no time outs, 10 minute "half" time. Exhausting. Got busted up good my first game, needed 25 stitches in my forehead.
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