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Okay, I'll bite. Which "playmaker" would you have us go get? By all means, explain what you would have done. Contract terms, incentives, who you'd trade.
The ball is in your court.
How about Sidney Rice, Malcom Floyd, James Jones, Steven Breaston, Santana Moss, theres soo many WR's that were out there who could come in and make plays for us out there. I wasnt hoping for much but just somebody to come in and spark our offense. Is that really too much. How could you not want to see Colt Mccoy get some help? Are you a St**l*rs Fan or something??????????
How about Sidney Rice, Malcom Floyd, James Jones, Steven Breaston, Santana Moss, theres soo many WR's that were out there who could come in and make plays for us out there. I wasnt hoping for much but just somebody to come in and spark our offense. Is that really too much. How could you not want to see Colt Mccoy get some help? Are you a St**l*rs Fan or something??????????
No I'm not a Steelers fan, but you need to do your homework before you go spouting off and do at least 10 minutes of research before you start naming names. Sorry but from my viewpoint, you're trying to defend an indefensible position- in that there were no REASONABLY PRICED LONG TERM WR upgrades that would have considered playing for the Browns, and if you want to extend that to LBs or CB yeah, let's give Nnamdi $60 million (to play in Cleveland it would have had to have been more like $75 million) by God.
OK, how 'bout Sidney Rice $8 million a year, and went to a potential playoff contender. Or. Malcom Floyd about as good as our Ben Watson ditto that for James Jones Gee, he only got $3 million a year- damn shame. Hey Jake you watched film on him? H&H did.
Breaston? You think playing next to the constantly double teamed Larry Fitzgerald didn't help his mediocre Steve Breaston stats? ONE TD? Wow, there's production for ya- and PS- he went to KC to be reunited with a former coach, so the Browns had zero shot at him anyway.
Moss? Santana Moss is 32 years old, doesn't fit a rebuilding teams profile, and is getting $10 million this year. P-A-S-S
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jake just wait until week 6 when all these same people who either be hiding or claiming they also wanted us to sign a WR.
The bull poop excuse is we couldnt get one to sign is dumb.. We are 24 million under the cap.. Again we cant roll the money over to next year so tell me. Are they going to give us fluffers at the game this year?
Fans should be pissed and those who think are holding out hopes that robo and momass will be our savior, good luck!
Mark my words Robo will be out of the NFL in two years..
jake just wait until week 6 when all these same people who either be hiding or claiming they also wanted us to sign a WR.
The bull poop excuse is we couldnt get one to sign is dumb.. We are 24 million under the cap.. Again we cant roll the money over to next year so tell me. Are they going to give us fluffers at the game this year?
Fans should be pissed and those who think are holding out hopes that robo and momass will be our savior, good luck!
Mark my words Robo will be out of the NFL in two years..
Little will be a producer. Maybe not in yr. 1 but even Jerry Rice took a year to get rolling. Mark your words Robo out of the NFL in 2 years? Doubt it but even if your right that'll give him a 5 yr. career in the league. Respectable.
Jake quit back tracking and blaming the readers of your post of misunderstanding yo or overreacting.
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The last guy who had first round talent and sat out one year mike williams.
Little didn't play ball for a year. I want the kid to be a stud, but I wouldn't count on that much production from him..
Listen I have been playing madden for over a decade so I know a thing or two about developing wrs
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Zombo said:
I don't even think we were looking at WR free agents, and rightly so. Robiskie was coming on strong last year, finaly getting it. Momass will be a talented 3rd guy if Little works out as a #1. Cribbs gets more comfortable with position every year. We've got size, youth, talent, hans, and now some real YAC at the position with Little.
Plus at tight end we have Watson and Moore who are both really good receivers. Plus drafted Cameron.
Why bring in a veteran when we have so much potential talent under contract.
We are thinner at OL, DL, LB and DB than we are at WR, why all the fretting about wr FAs?
Looking forward to the Fantasy Football....thanks again for the invite man
In my original post i mentioned WR and LB....the topic just swayed to WR dominantly for some reason.......I just think adding some talented guys at those position would make us consideribly better....We coulda got some very good talent for a good price with some of the FA out there thats all
Looking forward to the Fantasy Football....thanks again for the invite man
In my original post i mentioned WR and LB....the topic just swayed to WR dominantly for some reason.......I just think adding some talented guys at those position would make us consideribly better....We coulda got some very good talent for a good price with some of the FA out there thats all
It moved to WR because you kept complaining about needing a play making WR on offense. And I know this line has been beaten like a red headed step child but FA's DON"T WANT TO COME HERE! "We coulda got some very good talent for a good price with some of the FA out there thats all" BULLSHIT. Try average talent for a high price! The only reason we got Fujitta last year was because he likes signing for rebuilding team and the only reason we got Watson was because we over paid for him and the only reason the FO spent for these guys is because the team needed some SMART veteran leadership (Fujitta and Watson being the the smartest people at their positions in the NFL).
Here's a good article on this subject please check this out
----what a double play to end the 11th--------
A site ran by one man who literally doesn't do anything but look at fantasy value. I like his site because he is on the money with his mock drafts but his analyse is for shit. Plus that isn't an article it's a poll that was held after Robo and MoMass' first xxxxing season, hell it has Mike Furry listed as the 3rd god damn WR. In case you didn't notice we are heading into their 3rd year (break out year for most WR's) and are moving a system that highlights the strengths of our WR's.
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Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
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Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
Look we're all Browns fans and we want to win- but I don't want the Bungles 11-5 season, one and done in the playoffs, and then 4-12 for the next three years. Believe me, I understand your impatience- and we all want playmakers. But thinking about it, long term the only guys out there we realistically could have landed who would have been upgrades AND helped out LONG TERM were Syd Rice (who has possible leg problems) and Jonathan Joseph (also injured a lot) and we would have had to seriously overpay for either.
I'll show my age- I've been a Browns fan ever since I can remember- and I can remember back to 1957. 1964 was a long, long time ago. Frustration? I was in what was to become the Dawg Pound for Red Right 88. The Sipe attempted toss to Newsome that got picked happened right in front of me- and I'll never forget it as long as I live. I've been though The Drive & Fumble. Yeah- I want to win- but let's get it back to what it was like in the 50s and 60s when the Browns won ALL the time. I'll have to admit I got spoiled by that. 10-4 was a down year, and it was fun city going to the Stadium with Grandpa watching the Browns beat the snot out of the expansion Cowboys 56-7. One thing I've learned over the years- it's one hell of a lot harder to win consistently now than it was back then. So let this season play out- the Browns may surprise a few teams (and maybe even you) this year. I fully expect with a successful draft in 2012 the Browns will be in a position to make those big moves next year.
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Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
False.
It's true that the older Browns fans are the ones that are against adding playmakers, but it's not because of their age, it's because they're using common sense. They didn't grow up playing Madden, they grew up playing and watching NFL football.
The "young kids" in here calling for a giant FA acquisition are just video gamers who can put up 80 points a game on Rookie using the Patriots and think they know what it's like to run a team. They're the people who play Franchise mode with injuries off, sign Sindey Rice, Chris Johnson, Ochocinco and Vincent Jackson, then cut all the backups and fill the roster with scrubs at league minimum just so they can afford to resign each one six years down the road at that ridiculous 98 million dollar contract that had to be offered just so they would come to Cleveland. They're the ones who sign 5 WRs before even signing a lineman, because "what the hell... I'll go spread, roll right, run a flood with my TE and Slot with a smokeout to Ocho on the right sideline, and have a V. Jax run the drag for security". Works everytime...in Madden. Unfortunately Madden doesn't pertain to real life in any way. No FA's want to come to Cleveland. Sure, you can offer them double what everyone else is and completely wipe out your cap on one player, but then you won't have any money to resign JT and the other FA's we'll doubtlessly need next season.
The sooner you realize that playing Madden doesn't mean you know jackshit about real football and stop sounding like a complete dumbass, the sooner we'll have some respect for you. And who knows, maybe participating in on a conversation or argument without coming across a giant douchebag asshole will help your cause too.
By the way, I'm 21. I'm by no means an old school Brownie. I just actually know what it takes to run a football team, seeing as I've been around the game my entire life and have experienced professional football firsthand.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
BTW Mr. Couch, I've never played Madden, not even once. Spend way too much time here keeping things in order.
And good Lord, it's been said several times in this thread already- and as you reiterated. Any SMART GM isn't thinking about just "now" this year. Having the cap room to keep Joe Thomas on the Browns for the rest of his career trumps ANY FA signing we could have done this season.
What if Colt turns into the real deal? What if Hillis has another outstanding year? They're going to need to get paid. And that's not happening if we've already blown every cent of cap room in 2011.
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Here's what I believe and lets try to put this to rest cuz some of you guys piss me the F*** off, I have a big family and we have gone back n forth about this almost everyday. Seems like old school browns fans bout age 45 n up have your guys opinions and anybody thats a younger browns fan wants to see some playmakers. It just goes back to old vs new school. Whatever the right thing is to do ultimately who knows, but im tired of losing and cant take it anymore. Heading down to the Muni Lot at 6 a.m. and cracking a beer shouldnt be the highlight of the day anymore. Lets win some mfin games
False.
It's true that the older Browns fans are the ones that are against adding playmakers, but it's not because of their age, it's because they're using common sense. They didn't grow up playing Madden, they grew up playing and watching NFL football.
The "young kids" in here calling for a giant FA acquisition are just video gamers who can put up 80 points a game on Rookie using the Patriots and think they know what it's like to run a team. They're the people who play Franchise mode with injuries off, sign Sindey Rice, Chris Johnson, Ochocinco and Vincent Jackson, then cut all the backups and fill the roster with scrubs at league minimum just so they can afford to resign each one six years down the road at that ridiculous 98 million dollar contract that had to be offered just so they would come to Cleveland. They're the ones who sign 5 WRs before even signing a lineman, because "what the hell... I'll go spread, roll right, run a flood with my TE and Slot with a smokeout to Ocho on the right sideline, and have a V. Jax run the drag for security". Works everytime...in Madden. Unfortunately Madden doesn't pertain to real life in any way. No FA's want to come to Cleveland. Sure, you can offer them double what everyone else is and completely wipe out your cap on one player, but then you won't have any money to resign JT and the other FA's we'll doubtlessly need next season.
The sooner you realize that playing Madden doesn't mean you know jackshit about real football and stop sounding like a complete dumbass, the sooner we'll have some respect for you. And who knows, maybe participating in on a conversation or argument without coming across a giant douchebag asshole will help your cause too.
By the way, I'm 21. I'm by no means an old school Brownie. I just actually know what it takes to run a football team, seeing as I've been around the game my entire life and have experienced professional football firsthand.
False.
It's true that the older Browns fans are the ones that are against adding playmakers, but it's not because of their age, it's because they're using common sense. They didn't grow up playing Madden, they grew up playing and watching NFL football.
The "young kids" in here calling for a giant FA acquisition are just video gamers who can put up 80 points a game on Rookie using the Patriots and think they know what it's like to run a team. They're the people who play Franchise mode with injuries off, sign Sindey Rice, Chris Johnson, Ochocinco and Vincent Jackson, then cut all the backups and fill the roster with scrubs at league minimum just so they can afford to resign each one six years down the road at that ridiculous 98 million dollar contract that had to be offered just so they would come to Cleveland. They're the ones who sign 5 WRs before even signing a lineman, because "what the hell... I'll go spread, roll right, run a flood with my TE and Slot with a smokeout to Ocho on the right sideline, and have a V. Jax run the drag for security". Works everytime...in Madden. Unfortunately Madden doesn't pertain to real life in any way. No FA's want to come to Cleveland. Sure, you can offer them double what everyone else is and completely wipe out your cap on one player, but then you won't have any money to resign JT and the other FA's we'll doubtlessly need next season.
The sooner you realize that playing Madden doesn't mean you know jackshit about real football and stop sounding like a complete dumbass, the sooner we'll have some respect for you. And who knows, maybe participating in on a conversation or argument without coming across a giant douchebag asshole will help your cause too.
By the way, I'm 21. I'm by no means an old school Brownie. I just actually know what it takes to run a football team, seeing as I've been around the game my entire life and have experienced professional football firsthand.
Outstanding post Mr. Tim Couch Pulls out. I agree 100 percent. You have wisdom beyond your years.
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Imma browns fan that was born and raised in Steelers country.....my maternal family is all from Youngstown/findlay, and my uncle bought me a nice embroidered browns sweatshirt when I was 4 or 5....and I'm 32 now. If you've read my posts u know I'm a cynical asshole, and much of that I attribute to dealing with Steelers fans....certain ones drive me xxxxing crazy!
That said, in my time as a fan, I personally knew 5 browns fans growing up and to this point. Its why I searched out message boards. I've watched more Steelers football than browns in my day.....and while I abhor that franchise and good portion of fanbase, u cannot make an argument that their organization is a great model to what we really want.....a long-term winner and a Lombardi.
What they have that we've lacked for so long is a competant stabile front office, an plan so to speak. I honestly wasn't thrilled with the holmgren hire, but I finally have a sense that the ship finally has a bearing rather than merely floating aimlessly at sea. Heckert appears to have a knack for drafting and has a good solid scouting team. I don't agree with everything they've done, but that doesn't mean its wasnt good idea for reasons I may never fully understand. At a minimum....u have to see the bigger picture and recognize every decision thus far is aimed at getting younger, getting faster, and developing players to fit a defined system and philosophy. This can only be done after 3-4 drafts....where u infuse a team with young hungry guys with upside/talent/potential. U use ur cap to sign and keep these guys around....or otherwise trade them for picks to continue the cycle (see: Julio Jones trade). Its a self sustaining system if u can hit on picks....of course. Savage missed way more than he hit....thus he had to supplement his mistakes thru FA. That sir....was a xxxxing train wreck.
I think part of what's plagued the fanbase for so long was not only losing the team, but more a sense of urgency and desire to see good browns football. Randy was learning on the job under great pressure by this fanbase to win, and shit snowballed to what now....6 coaches and shuffling in the FO.....turmoil. all I'm saying is we've been down the road of overpaying for other teams products.....I wanna be the farm team to supply the NFL with developed talent. This way u always have a team with a young player ready to step in and contribute if and when a man goes down. Signing a vet is counter productive in a sense that a roster spot of a young Guy is lost thus making developing players take longer. No one is saying adding a vet WR wouldn't help win a couple games, all we're saying is hrckert wants to see what we have before he goes making any expensive decisions. Giving up prematurely on talent has burned us in the past as well.....have some patience and enjoy being surprised by no name players making big plays rather than longing for the glory days of a vets good days or lamenting an injury.
Let it play out before you come on here and start shit cause were finally happy this franchise is on it way up....10-6 under DumbAss sure didn't feel as good after going 4-12 the next year.
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Zombo said:
Jake, I like your fire, You are going to be a great new longtime addition to the board.
As one of the Over 45 (but just barely!) crowd, I can let you know where I'm coming from:
As an experienced Browns fans that has seen things work and seen things fail with your entire heart on the line each year, you begin to get a good sense of when you are being bullshitted and the Browns Brass has no real plan, and when you are seeing the real deal.
I honestly think we seeing the Real Deal now with Holmgren to Heckert to Shurmur on down to McCoy.
I never warmed up to Butch Davis, never felt confident in Romeo. Hated Dwight Clark, doubted Phil Savage. Never bought into Charlie Frye, had no man love for Brady Quinn. I rooted for them all ... but I just hoped ... I never said "Look out ... here we come."
Now I am saying "Look out ... here we come."
Holmgren is a champion, a strong leader, and most importantly he has a "way". Not just a guy happy to have a chance to run a franchise, but a guy who has a way of doing things and is going to do them.
Heckert pulled off our first real blockbuster draft since before '99 last year, and I think he may have done it again this year. He drafted solidly every year in a solid, winning organization in Philly ... the man knows what he is doing.
Shurmur is going to give this team something it has really lacked since 1999: an offensive identitiy. We are going to be a West Coast passing-style offense, we are going to draft players for the West Coast passing-style offense, and we are not going to look at free agents unless they can play well in the West Coast passing-style offense. Bout time we knew what what we doing offensively.
McCoy is the real key, because it come downs to the talent, and if you don't have it at QB you're ... well, you're Miami. Colt is the most accurate thrower we have had since Bernie, but he drills it with more mustard and confidence than even Bernie. "Accuracy" isn't just completing the pass, it's putting the ball exactly where it needs to be so the receiver can make a play, and get yards after the catch. Colt is perfect for this offense and fits the Leader role as well. I just love the kid. I couldn't warm up to Fry or Quinn, and I never trusted Anderson ... but I am tying my ship to Colt McCoy.
So the bottom line for me, veteran Browns fan is: If these guys think we don't need any outside help at WR, then we don't need any additional help at WR. We all know they are allowed to spend Lerner's money ... they didn't want to this year, because they like what they have and they want to see it on the field. To me, that builds even more confidence in this team.
Let 'er rip ... let's see what we've got.
Zombo
--By the way, McCoy got a glowing endorsement from none other than Steeler-fem Merril Hoge today ... a rare endorsement from him for one of ours.
Good Points there....cant respond yet after The Gippers questions this week....those were TOUGH
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Zombo said:
Jake, I like your fire, You are going to be a great new longtime addition to the board.
As one of the Over 45 (but just barely!) crowd, I can let you know where I'm coming from:
As an experienced Browns fans that has seen things work and seen things fail with your entire heart on the line each year, you begin to get a good sense of when you are being bullshitted and the Browns Brass has no real plan, and when you are seeing the real deal.
I honestly think we seeing the Real Deal now with Holmgren to Heckert to Shurmur on down to McCoy.
I never warmed up to Butch Davis, never felt confident in Romeo. Hated Dwight Clark, doubted Phil Savage. Never bought into Charlie Frye, had no man love for Brady Quinn. I rooted for them all ... but I just hoped ... I never said "Look out ... here we come."
Now I am saying "Look out ... here we come."
Holmgren is a champion, a strong leader, and most importantly he has a "way". Not just a guy happy to have a chance to run a franchise, but a guy who has a way of doing things and is going to do them.
Heckert pulled off our first real blockbuster draft since before '99 last year, and I think he may have done it again this year. He drafted solidly every year in a solid, winning organization in Philly ... the man knows what he is doing.
Shurmur is going to give this team something it has really lacked since 1999: an offensive identitiy. We are going to be a West Coast passing-style offense, we are going to draft players for the West Coast passing-style offense, and we are not going to look at free agents unless they can play well in the West Coast passing-style offense. Bout time we knew what what we doing offensively.
McCoy is the real key, because it come downs to the talent, and if you don't have it at QB you're ... well, you're Miami. Colt is the most accurate thrower we have had since Bernie, but he drills it with more mustard and confidence than even Bernie. "Accuracy" isn't just completing the pass, it's putting the ball exactly where it needs to be so the receiver can make a play, and get yards after the catch. Colt is perfect for this offense and fits the Leader role as well. I just love the kid. I couldn't warm up to Fry or Quinn, and I never trusted Anderson ... but I am tying my ship to Colt McCoy.
So the bottom line for me, veteran Browns fan is: If these guys think we don't need any outside help at WR, then we don't need any additional help at WR. We all know they are allowed to spend Lerner's money ... they didn't want to this year, because they like what they have and they want to see it on the field. To me, that builds even more confidence in this team.
Let 'er rip ... let's see what we've got.
Zombo
--By the way, McCoy got a glowing endorsement from none other than Steeler-fem Merril Hoge today ... a rare endorsement from him for one of ours.
Good Points there....cant respond yet after The Gippers questions this week....those were TOUGH
Good Points there....cant respond yet after The Gippers questions this week....those were TOUGH
You've yet to respond with anything of substance. It's been "we need a WR now and you're stupid if you don't believe that", yet when somebody calls you out and asks you to back up your statement with facts, you just turn on the sarcastic douchbaggery.
Your responses are those of a pre-teen. We're all Browns fans, and we like to engage in intelligent debate. Not the "my way is the highway and xxxx you if you don't agree" stance you and WRREBEL have taken.
By the way, typing in all caps to emulate sarcasm is so AOL.
xxxx my life, I can't believe I said that.
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You know guys I don't mean to offend anybody or argue, its just im such a browns fan that my passion for this damn team gets the best of me. And usually I have pretty strong opinions on subjects, theres no 50/50 with me.....but whatever the best case senario is for the browns LETS JUST GET THERE
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Good Points there....cant respond yet after The Gippers questions this week....those were TOUGH
You've yet to respond with anything of substance. It's been "we need a WR now and you're stupid if you don't believe that", yet when somebody calls you out and asks you to back up your statement with facts, you just turn on the sarcastic douchbaggery.
Your responses are those of a pre-teen. We're all Browns fans, and we like to engage in intelligent debate. Not the "my way is the highway and xxxx you if you don't agree" stance you and WRREBEL have taken.
By the way, typing in all caps to emulate sarcasm is so AOL.
xxxx my life, I can't believe I said that.
You've yet to respond with anything of substance. It's been "we need a WR now and you're stupid if you don't believe that", yet when somebody calls you out and asks you to back up your statement with facts, you just turn on the sarcastic douchbaggery.
Your responses are those of a pre-teen. We're all Browns fans, and we like to engage in intelligent debate. Not the "my way is the highway and xxxx you if you don't agree" stance you and WRREBEL have taken.
By the way, typing in all caps to emulate sarcasm is so AOL.
xxxx my life, I can't believe I said that.
Dude your a bum
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