Wow We Look Bad
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* Like Modell or hate him, he knew football, he mettled, AND he was ALWAYS making plays for controversial and high profile players.......... Warfield, Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Kelly, Collins, Alzado. The Lerner Browns don't EVER make plays for the top players, the exciting, game breakers.
Jim Brown was drafted in '57 and Modell didn't by the team until'61. Warfield drafted then traded to Miami by Modell. Ernie Davis due to circumstances beyond anyone's control didn't work out but could have been legendary. Leroy Kelly drafted 1964.
Your Ghoulisional!
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Remember this: the Eagles scored nearly all their points off turnovers caused by our substitute punt returner.
Can I assume that when things start for real that Josh Cribbs is going to be the one back there returning punts and not these rookies?
Remember this: the Eagles scored nearly all their points off turnovers caused by our substitute punt returner.
Can I assume that when things start for real that Josh Cribbs is going to be the one back there returning punts and not these rookies?
It's not the fault of the substitute punt returner. Cribbs tripped over one of our own players once, and we lost the ball on that, too. It's the guy who ran into him. The returner is too focused on catching the ball to be worrying about hitting one of our guys.
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@gafreleets said:
why exactly do you guys have this opinion? it seems to be the consensus in brown town but i've seen no evidence to back up this assumption.
let me take a moment to enjoy this breath of fresh air, free from contaminated homeristic optimism.
*ahhhhhhhhh* *birds singing, crickets chirping*
browns have a LONG way to go before they're a competetive team and it's nice to hear one of your own say it. i don't know why everyone thinks this combo in your FO are the messiahs that everyone is DESPERATELY trying to make them out to be but when they came in the browns had a LONG way to go to be a championship caliber team and they aren't any closer right now.
What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
or you could be some fat turd who lives in mommys basement trolling the internet talking smack to make himself feel better for being such a loser at life.
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@gafreleets said:
why exactly do you guys have this opinion? it seems to be the consensus in brown town but i've seen no evidence to back up this assumption.
let me take a moment to enjoy this breath of fresh air, free from contaminated homeristic optimism.
*ahhhhhhhhh* *birds singing, crickets chirping*
browns have a LONG way to go before they're a competitive team and it's nice to hear one of your own say it. i don't know why everyone thinks this combo in your FO are the messiahs that everyone is DESPERATELY trying to make them out to be but when they came in the browns had a LONG way to go to be a championship caliber team and they aren't any closer right now.
Why the optimism? Maybe because by comparison H&H look like forking geniuses compared to the s**t that's been running the team since 1999. Because Heckert seems to be drafting guys that can play football for a change, getting guys in the third and lower rounds that can actually contribute, and dumping stiffs like the departed one year wonder Derek Anderson. It doesn't take much brains to pick guys like Joe Thomas or Braylon Edwards when you have the third overall pick- and then go on to draft garbage in the lower rounds- that's whats killed the Browns. Hell- the previous GMs have even whiffed in the first round on future HOFers still on the board- Ladanian Tomlinson being the most notable but not only example. Hardesty blew out his knee last year and the 2010 draft class still yielded three starters, and a couple of significant backups- add in another starter this year as Lauvao has moved in as the starting RG. Getting Colt McCoy in the third round- not bad if you can find your starting qb there. This year's draft looks to be even better. I happened to notice Phil Taylor was abusing the Eagles starting O-line. Looks like four more starters and two significant backups in Skrine and Jordan.
Trades? With 20\20 hindsight getting Peyton Hillis and a draft pick from the Broncos in exchange for Brady Quinn has to look like one of the biggest cases of highway robbery in the last few years in the NFL.
They've played the FA market wisely. Yeah, this team is nowhere near ready to make a serious playoff, much less Super Bowl run- but the core of a solid team is starting to fall into place.
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Hoorta,
I could not agree more. It looks like the F.O. strategy is to build through the draft. Maybe a FA for depth here and there. Resign the good players to long term contracts. Then in 2013 when you must use 90% of your cap we might, just might sign a key FA to help us over the hump to be a contender. But yes I agree we are 2 years away at this point at least. We need 2 more years of solid drafting before we do anything of significance.
Thomaaspro
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I am not going to make any excuses but to me this team looks better losing than it did winning in years gone by because this team is young there is still hope and its only preseason..
It was easy to figure that after the trouncing the stoolers delivered to the eagles last week that they were going to wake up and come on hard against the somewhat dinged up young browns..
Philly is a stacked team projected to compete at a high level this year and the browns are what they are, a young rebuilding team with 6 dinged up starters and a lot of fresh new faces, new coaches and new systems..
There is going to be some growing pains maybe even a bunch, but what i can tell the vengeful fangini's, the diehard faithful and the Retardedly impatient alike is that for once randy got it right but H&H cant just erase 11 years of horrible drafting, wretched coaching and bad management overnight or with a handful of FAs, it takes time and lerner has to be feeling better about this clubs future and will give H&H all the time they need and deserve to finish what they started and convert this team into a champion..
As for me and i believe the majority of browns fans are feeling rejuvenated about this teams current rebuild and are ready to get behind our team and front office for the long haul, there will be no more musical chairs with coaches and or GMs, its just time to do it or die trying!
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What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
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What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
Only think is Rooney is not a Mongoloid like you...Try again Gasfart
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If the catch from Brian is not called back and Moore pays attention and catches that pass we have 2 scoring drives from our first team offense. Nobody would be crying, 2 plays...and a completely different outcome. Calm down people. I saw plenty of good things...was it a sloppy game?...yes. You will have those. EVERY team has them.
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what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
You should'nt argue when you don't know the facts. It hasn't been 2 years Holmgren did not join the Browns until 12/2009. See the football regular season ends in January. That's only a month away from December So MH has only been there for about 1.5 years. By the way it was back to back 5-11's. Get it right.
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No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
why are you even here? no one said Holmgren and Heckert were a "dream team," but what the two of them has accomplished in their careers is what gives us optimism. They drafted well last year and this year seems to be ok too (we'll see). But seriously you are honestly coming onto a Browns Board to tell us that we shouldn't be optimistic? Get a life..
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Yah, Should we start posting on steeler boards and tell them to come round up their unruly children.
It's only preseason and you steeler guys are little wound up already or are you just starting to realize that soon you may have to worry?
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No, I don't know for sure, but I think it is easy for anyone with modicum of common sense to figure it out. And the reason I can tell that the Browns have made strides is because I do have a modicum of common sense that you don't possess to tell when someone is bringing something real to the table.
Sure, you don't think those strides have been made because you WANT to think they have not been made. That does not mean they have not been made.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
i don't care if they've been made or not. i've stated before and i'll state again that i hope the browns DO improve so there can an actual rivalry between our teams and not the bi-anual ass reaming that we shell out to you now.
what i do wonder is why browns fans equate your current FO the managerial equal of a "dream team" when under them you've not improved in any measurable way with 2 seasons of a row of 6-10 seasons and alot of your own fans already stating they think it could be another year of the same.
First, who ever said they were a "Dream Team"? Or are you ignoring what I already posted? They're a damnsite better than what has gone for management previously. The whining is mostly coming from the impatient young 'uns who think you can turn s**t into Super Bowl in one year.
Would you care for me to give you a position by position breakdown where the Browns have improved? I can think of about 9 off the top of my head, but that doesn't always translate into wins. Because I hope you're smart enough- and opposing Defensive & Offensive Coordinators certainly are- to attack the chain at it's weakest link. And the Browns have had Arena League talent at critical positions the last couple of years.
Holmgren WANTED Mangini to succeed. He didn't, and got shown the door after one season. Not like Mike Brown clinging to a hopelessly incompetent Dave Shula year after year- and MB should have canned Marvin Lewis already, but he's too damn cheap to do so.
Finally, short attention span- you forgot about the Thursday night game in 2009 where the Browns knocked your sorry asses out of the playoffs on National TV. Personally, I think 1 more season has it right - you're starting to get afraid- not only are the Ravens going to whup you this year- the up and coming Browns are going to hand it to you at least once this year too. Well, you'll always have those lowly Bungles to kick around I suppose.
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Lol....galfreets doesn't know the difference between the walrus and mangini...lmao.
I love when the self appointed geniuses post and prove just how little they know. Current management had one season with a head coach they didn't want. Only fault there was they didn't fire him immediately. So that's one season and two offseasons.....
Great job helping it credibility .... lol. U can't even get the big details right....let alone the little ones.
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What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
no if you were dan rooney you'd be too busy getting your shillelagh shoved in and out of your corrupt drunk donkey ass by your fat ugly donkey nurse to post on the browns board.
no offense to the hard working irish that aren't in the mob.
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hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
no if you were dan rooney you'd be too busy getting your shillelagh shoved in and out of your corrupt drunk donkey ass by your fat ugly donkey nurse to post on the browns board.
no offense to the hard working irish that aren't in the mob.
no if you were dan rooney you'd be too busy getting your shillelagh shoved in and out of your corrupt drunk donkey ass by your fat ugly donkey nurse to post on the browns board.
no offense to the hard working irish that aren't in the mob.
What about those of us Hard working Irish who ARE in the mob. You think its easy being green?
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