Phil Savage fired
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His 8 Pro Bowl players in Cleveland: long snapper Ryan Pontbriand, special teams Joshua Cribbs, wide receiver Braylon Edwards, left tackle Joe Thomas, QB Derek Anderson, TE Kellen Winslow. DT Shaun Rogers and LT Joe Thomas are both going to the Pro Bowl in '09, then Josh Cribbs was selected as first alternate for return and special teams utility, Phil Dawson was selected as a second alternate, and linebacker D'Qwell Jackson and left guard Eric Steinbach were named as third alternates.
winslow and pontbriand were drafted by butch davis, and dawson has been here since chris palmer.
winslow and pontbriand were drafted by butch davis, and dawson has been here since chris palmer.
Yep, true. Still, if the other 5 work out, it wasn't a terrible run. We'll see where McDonald, Wright, Rucker, etc end up. Jamal did a bang up job last year and some how tippy-toed his way to 1000 yards in this terrible year. All water under the bridge now.
I'm also still ticked the NFL drank the '07 Browns Kool-Aid and put us in the same number of prime time games as the Patriots. We had incredible low IR and an incredibly weak schedule and still missed the playoffs. They should have known better. I hope the Dolphins get the gauntlet we had.
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i like the idea of interviewing blache. he does a lot with what is, at best, a middling collection of overpriced talent. he really gets those guys to give their all and play as a cohesive unit.
@ ocon: savage can evaluate talent. he just sucks at everything else a GM has to do. he's a director of player personnel, not the point man of an entire organization. but he does know good players when he sees them.
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Good riddance.
The guy fetched coffee for Newsome in Baltimore and he is expected to be successful in Cleveland? Lousy selection by Lerner.
Baltimore is still drafting better than the Browns.
Happier than hail that this guy is gone.
There is light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps.
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i like the idea of interviewing blache. he does a lot with what is, at best, a middling collection of overpriced talent. he really gets those guys to give their all and play as a cohesive unit.
@ ocon: savage can evaluate talent. he just sucks at everything else a GM has to do. he's a director of player personnel, not the point man of an entire organization. but he does know good players when he sees them.
i like the idea of interviewing blache. he does a lot with what is, at best, a middling collection of overpriced talent. he really gets those guys to give their all and play as a cohesive unit.
Didn't realize that Washington's defense is ranked 4th in the league. Pretty impressive.
One drawback: Blache turns 60 in March. But it doesn't hurt to bring him in for an interview.
Here's Chris Mortensen with more on the Savage/RAC firings:
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But other than that, the guy brought in a ton of talent.
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Man I love than video stuff right in the post.
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PFT alluded to the possibility that Crennel's fate may be decided by the new GM. I know alot of people will get their panties in a bunch if RAC doesn't get canned by Wednesday, but it may be left to the new GM to decide if RAC stays or goes...in whatever capacity.
-Al
PFT alluded to the possibility that Crennel's fate may be decided by the new GM. I know alot of people will get their panties in a bunch if RAC doesn't get canned by Wednesday, but it may be left to the new GM to decide if RAC stays or goes...in whatever capacity.
-Al
RAC has been asked to step down as head coach. A position within the organization may be offered by the new coach if RAC would want to stay. Again, makes me believe that Pioli will be making the decision.
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Well....I just hope we're all prepared for the 3-4 year rebuilding period. Doesn't matter who the new guy is, but there is always 2-3 years of no accountability under new management. You got what you wished for.
Well....I just hope we're all prepared for the 3-4 year rebuilding period. Doesn't matter who the new guy is, but there is always 2-3 years of no accountability under new management. You got what you wished for.
Didn't take Miami or Atlanta 3-4 years to rebuild and it shouldn't take someone 3-4 years here either. They didn't even have a QB in place. There is some talent here. It isn't like someone is coming in to take over a new expansion team.
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I'll go on record saying I'm disappointed. I feel that Savage did a great job bringing in players and managing the cap. I really like the guy. I admit he had a few slip-ups, but I didn't want to see him gone. I could see a reduced roll, but not completely gone. Partially because with both he and Crennel going, it's now a complete re-build. I felt Savage needed a chance to prove his talent evaluation under a new coaching regime. We'll see Savage get a new job somewhere else, and we'll see him bring talent into that organization as well. I truly believe that.
The move makes me question Lerner more than ever. I really hope it works out, though. I hope some of these crazy rumors start coming through really fast.
2009 prediction: 8-8, with a much more respectible looking team, and hopefully 3-3 in the division with at least 1 win over each team. -
I'm in the dark, I didn't know that Pioli is Parcells son in law.
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@hiwaygal said:
I disagree.I believe the team has talent...but it is being wasted. Lack of leadership, lack of creativity, lack of direction, and complacency have hurt us more than anything.
The right GM and the right HC could turn this team around in one year.
Good points- didn't take the Dolphins or Atlanta years to turn it around.
Phil's downfall was not giving Crennell the ax a few weeks ago- it's so painfully obvious the team just quit on RC.
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I'll go on record saying I'm disappointed. I feel that Savage did a great job bringing in players and managing the cap. I really like the guy. I admit he had a few slip-ups, but I didn't want to see him gone. I could see a reduced roll, but not completely gone. Partially because with both he and Crennel going, it's now a complete re-build. I felt Savage needed a chance to prove his talent evaluation under a new coaching regime. We'll see Savage get a new job somewhere else, and we'll see him bring talent into that organization as well. I truly believe that.
The move makes me question Lerner more than ever. I really hope it works out, though. I hope some of these crazy rumors start coming through really fast.
I'll go on record saying I'm disappointed. I feel that Savage did a great job bringing in players and managing the cap. I really like the guy. I admit he had a few slip-ups, but I didn't want to see him gone. I could see a reduced roll, but not completely gone. Partially because with both he and Crennel going, it's now a complete re-build. I felt Savage needed a chance to prove his talent evaluation under a new coaching regime. We'll see Savage get a new job somewhere else, and we'll see him bring talent into that organization as well. I truly believe that.
The move makes me question Lerner more than ever. I really hope it works out, though. I hope some of these crazy rumors start coming through really fast.
There's a GM opening in Detroit. Anybody has to be better than Matt Millen.
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There ya have it.
So long Krispy Kreme. -
This is a good day Larry.......Sewage proved he stank right from the beginning and methinks Romeo just gave up
We are one good management team from perennial success be happy
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
This is a good day Larry.......Sewage proved he stank right from the beginning and methinks Romeo just gave up
We are one good management team from perennial success be happy
This is a good day Larry.......Sewage proved he stank right from the beginning and methinks Romeo just gave up
We are one good management team from perennial success be happy
Rich, As the most out-spoken on the subject to fire these two, who do you want us to replace Crennel & Savage with?
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This is a good day Larry.......Sewage proved he stank right from the beginning and methinks Romeo just gave up
We are one good management team from perennial success be happy
This is a good day Larry.......Sewage proved he stank right from the beginning and methinks Romeo just gave up
We are one good management team from perennial success be happy
Rich, Crennell should have been fired weeks ago for letting the team quit. And I'll lay that on Phil for not pulling the trigger. I don't share your total disdain for Savage. At least Savage didn't totally screw up his high picks, but he got about nada out of his low ones.
Phil will probably wind up back in Baltimore and Krispy Kreme will go back to fetching doughnuts for Bill B.
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Larry, today was a good day we cleaned house which was needed but.........to follow your thoughts .......Which high pick of Sewage is a stud...........and remember the measures are scoring on offense and pounding and intimidating on D........
I cannot think of one high pick at the moment that is more than ordinary including Joe Thomas
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
And there was much rejoicing!
I never liked RAC, and I am so FREAKING glad that PoS is outta here!
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I'll go on record saying I'm disappointed. I feel that Savage did a great job bringing in players and managing the cap. I really like the guy. I admit he had a few slip-ups, but I didn't want to see him gone. I could see a reduced roll, but not completely gone. Partially because with both he and Crennel going, it's now a complete re-build. I felt Savage needed a chance to prove his talent evaluation under a new coaching regime. We'll see Savage get a new job somewhere else, and we'll see him bring talent into that organization as well. I truly believe that.
The move makes me question Lerner more than ever. I really hope it works out, though. I hope some of these crazy rumors start coming through really fast.
I'll go on record saying I'm disappointed. I feel that Savage did a great job bringing in players and managing the cap. I really like the guy. I admit he had a few slip-ups, but I didn't want to see him gone. I could see a reduced roll, but not completely gone. Partially because with both he and Crennel going, it's now a complete re-build. I felt Savage needed a chance to prove his talent evaluation under a new coaching regime. We'll see Savage get a new job somewhere else, and we'll see him bring talent into that organization as well. I truly believe that.
Great post. I share a lot of your feelings about this.
People should realize that this move wasn't about Savage's ability to scout & bring in talent. As Tony Grossi reported, it was more about Savage's communication skills and leadership abilities (or lack thereof).
I don't expect our drafts to get much better now that we've switched GM's. The people who've been complaining about Savage drafting Wimbley, D'Qwell, and Travis Wilson in 2006 should realize (as Tupa once pointed out) that Pioli drafted Laurence Maroney, Chad Jackson, and David Thomas that same year. Chad Jackson's been cut, Maroney's rumored to be on the chopping block, and Thomas has 21 career catches. Is that a better draft than Savage's?
A major reason for the Pats' recent success has been a series of brilliant trades. They got Wes Welker for a 2nd and 7th, and traded a late Round 1 pick in '07 for what turned out to be Randy Moss & Jerod Mayo. Though I didn't like the Corey Williams trade, the Shaun Rogers deal definitely qualifies for the same level of brilliance as Pioli's moves (at least the Welker deal).
The one way in which our drafts may end up being better is that we'll have closer coordination between the coach & GM on what kinds of players to bring in. Reports surfaced recently that Crennel didn't want Beau Bell; we had reports in camp that the coaching staff thought Corey Williams was a bust in their system; we drafted two late-round DE's in '07 that weren't at all fits for Romeo's fat guy 3-4 scheme.
If Lerner thought any deeper than "Savage is a jerk and doesn't manage well; I have to fire him," I suspect he came to the conclusion that demoting him would only perpetuate this disconnect between the players we draft & the scheme the new GM & coach plan to employ.
That may be why he's looking for a more integrated approach this time around: either Cowher in control of everything or Pioli running the show.
Ultimately, I think that's the smart thing to do, but I am a little disappointed that Savage didn't end up a success here. His '07 draft class converged on excellence - getting a franchise LT, QB, and two starting corners in the same draft is amazing. And had he gotten Desmond Bishop in Round 6, I suspect we wouldn't be talking about drafting Aaron Curry right now.
He displayed some serious PR & maturity issues, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him re-emerge a la Belichick as a great GM some day. He's only 43 years old, so he can bide his time as a scouting director for a couple years & end up landing a good job elsewhere.
I sincerely hope that happens...as long as he does it outside our division.
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