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  • To continue this ad nauseum, here is the decade breakdown of the Bengals/Steelers matchups:

    1970s: Steelers 14 wins; Bengals 6 wins

    1980s: Bengals 13 wins; Steelers 6 wins (1 game lost to strike)

    1990s: Steelers 13 wins; Bengals 7 wins

    2000s: Steelers 14 wins; Bengals 6 wins (plus one Steeler postseason victory)

    2010s: Steelers 2 wins; Bengals 0 wins

  • Browns/Ravens results:

    1990s Ravens 2 wins; Browns -0-

    2000s Ravens 13 wins; Browns 7 wins

    2010s Ravens 2 wins; Browns -0-

  • For the Ravens and the Bengals I didn't figure the decade breakdown. Suffice it to say that all time since 1996 when the Ravens entered the league the head to head count is:

    Ravens 16 win; Bengals 14 wins.

  • I was a teenager when the browns lost to denver 3x in the afc championship. There was a rivaly. That went beyound 2 teams that where just good at the time. Till this day I never root for Denver.

  • T tempest25

    I was a teenager when the browns lost to denver 3x in the afc championship. There was a rivaly. That went beyound 2 teams that where just good at the time. Till this day I never root for Denver.

    @tempest25 said:

    I was a teenager when the browns lost to denver 3x in the afc championship. There was a rivaly. That went beyound 2 teams that where just good at the time. Till this day I never root for Denver.

    No, it really didn't. It was just 2 teams that were good at the time. If we had played the Seahawks or the Dolphins or the Chargers or the Jets 3 times for the AFC title game it would have been the same thing. Though I agree that there are lingering issues with Denver because of those losses, those issues would have been the same had it been one of those other teams. Today a regular season game with the Broncos is just a regular season game. Elway ain't playing QB for them (even if he is in the FO).

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gmp said:

    No, winning that game was the blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while....and even if the Briowns win the next 6 games in a row...the series has been so un-competitive for so long it would take years to establish again....Rivalry's develope over time and are recognized thruout the league based on the competitvness and history of the teams back and forth copetition...the Browns have been back for so long, they'll need a decade of forth to establish the rivalry again.

    Well, you are wrong. A rivalry that was established over 50 years doesn't go away because of a little lopsidedness. If that were true, as I said earlier on this thread, the OSU/Michigan rivalry would have disappeared over the years that John Cooper was here because it was lopsided in favor of Michigan....or it would have disappeared in the Jim Tressel era because it was lopsided in Ohio State's favor.

    And as I pointed out elsewhere, the Browns/Steelers rivalry has never NOT been lopsided.

    the Browns dominated the first 20+ years until the 70s when the Steelers dominated. Then the Browns dominated the 80s, then the Steelers have dominated since about 1990ish.

    There has never been parity in this rivalry where over the course of say a decade the teams have won nearly equal numbers of games.

    So, there goes your theory out the freeking window.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, you are wrong. A rivalry that was established over 50 years doesn't go away because of a little lopsidedness. If that were true, as I said earlier on this thread, the OSU/Michigan rivalry would have disappeared over the years that John Cooper was here because it was lopsided in favor of Michigan....or it would have disappeared in the Jim Tressel era because it was lopsided in Ohio State's favor.

    And as I pointed out elsewhere, the Browns/Steelers rivalry has never NOT been lopsided.

    the Browns dominated the first 20+ years until the 70s when the Steelers dominated. Then the Browns dominated the 80s, then the Steelers have dominated since about 1990ish.

    There has never been parity in this rivalry where over the course of say a decade the teams have won nearly equal numbers of games.

    So, there goes your theory out the freeking window.

    OK,

    SO maybe I'll give you the local rivalry thing...ya know the T-Pike rivalry (locally) ya know the high school kinda thing

    BUT as a recognizable tru rivalry between (2) evenly matched or closley matched teams...this has not been that. for a long time...

    You can call a chiwowwaah and a Doberman a rivalry, but is it really?.. That's what you have here

  • G gmp

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, you are wrong. A rivalry that was established over 50 years doesn't go away because of a little lopsidedness. If that were true, as I said earlier on this thread, the OSU/Michigan rivalry would have disappeared over the years that John Cooper was here because it was lopsided in favor of Michigan....or it would have disappeared in the Jim Tressel era because it was lopsided in Ohio State's favor.

    And as I pointed out elsewhere, the Browns/Steelers rivalry has never NOT been lopsided.

    the Browns dominated the first 20+ years until the 70s when the Steelers dominated. Then the Browns dominated the 80s, then the Steelers have dominated since about 1990ish.

    There has never been parity in this rivalry where over the course of say a decade the teams have won nearly equal numbers of games.

    So, there goes your theory out the freeking window.

    OK,

    SO maybe I'll give you the local rivalry thing...ya know the T-Pike rivalry (locally) ya know the high school kinda thing

    BUT as a recognizable tru rivalry between (2) evenly matched or closley matched teams...this has not been that. for a long time...

    You can call a chiwowwaah and a Doberman a rivalry, but is it really?.. That's what you have here

    @gmp said:

    OK,

    SO maybe I'll give you the local rivalry thing...ya know the T-Pike rivalry (locally) ya know the high school kinda thing

    BUT as a recognizable tru rivalry between (2) evenly matched or closley matched teams...this has not been that. for a long time...

    You can call a chiwowwaah and a Doberman a rivalry, but is it really?.. That's what you have here

    Have you read my posts above? It has NEVER been an evenly matched rivalry in it entire existance. The only time may have been the aborted early 90s period when both teams were essentially mediocre. Always one team has played at a championship level while the other has been below par, and vice versa.

    So, obviously this rivalry has never been built on parity, but on something else.

    Something far more base and visceral.

    Fair to say?

  • Wish it was still a rivalry but it isn't.

    Rivalries:

    Yank vs Sox

    Sooners vs. Shorthorns

    Celtics vs. Lakers

    Bruins vs Canadiens

    Tarheels vs. Blue Devils

    NFL is tough I'd say Jets vs. Pats

  • Is Ohio State and the team up north still a rivalry ?

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Top 10 NFL Local TV Market Ratings for 2010:

    Team Household rating

    Saints 43.9

    Steelers 41.9

    Packers 41.3

    Chiefs 36.9

    Colts 34.9

    Vikings 34.5

    Ravens 30.9

    Patriots 30.9

    Bills 30.9

    Browns 29.1

    Actually, I think you have to give it to the Bills and Browns fans which were after all 5-11 teams and haven't done that well for a decade or more. The others in the top 10 had the last 4 SB teams (Saints/Colts/Steelers/Packers) or teams that had been in recent conference title games (Ravens/Vikings/Pats), plus the Chiefs.

    @the-gipper said:

    Top 10 NFL Local TV Market Ratings for 2010:

    Team Household rating

    Saints 43.9

    Steelers 41.9

    Packers 41.3

    Chiefs 36.9

    Colts 34.9

    Vikings 34.5

    Ravens 30.9

    Patriots 30.9

    Bills 30.9

    Browns 29.1

    Actually, I think you have to give it to the Bills and Browns fans which were after all 5-11 teams and haven't done that well for a decade or more. The others in the top 10 had the last 4 SB teams (Saints/Colts/Steelers/Packers) or teams that had been in recent conference title games (Ravens/Vikings/Pats), plus the Chiefs.

    Chiefs fans Too...

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    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Okay, here's how you explain it...

    The Browns ARE our biggest rivals but it's like a marriage that has lost it's fire. Pittsburgh has cheated on the Browns rivalry with a younger, sexier Ravens rivalry. However, the Browns rivalry got some work done and got itself a new look.

    So who knows, McCoy and company might just bring the spark back.

    🙂 🙂 Good analogy?

    “Football is a game played with arms, legs and shoulders but mostly from the neck up”

  • Zombo said:

    Sure, as long as you're the slutty bitch and we're the old dude with the beer belly.

    Z

    Fair enough I guess

    “Football is a game played with arms, legs and shoulders but mostly from the neck up”
  • BUNSofSTEEL08B BUNSofSTEEL08

    @the-gipper said:

    Top 10 NFL Local TV Market Ratings for 2010:

    Team Household rating

    Saints 43.9

    Steelers 41.9

    Packers 41.3

    Chiefs 36.9

    Colts 34.9

    Vikings 34.5

    Ravens 30.9

    Patriots 30.9

    Bills 30.9

    Browns 29.1

    Actually, I think you have to give it to the Bills and Browns fans which were after all 5-11 teams and haven't done that well for a decade or more. The others in the top 10 had the last 4 SB teams (Saints/Colts/Steelers/Packers) or teams that had been in recent conference title games (Ravens/Vikings/Pats), plus the Chiefs.

    Chiefs fans Too...

    @bunsofsteel08 said:

    Chiefs fans Too...

    Yes. Though the Chiefs were a playoff team last year and may have gotten a little bump in the ratings because of that they have always been among the top in local interest and ratings....even during extended down times in the standings.

  • G gmp

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, so, the Browns beating the Steelers and knocking them out of the playoffs two years ago doesn't count in your book?

    I mean, wha if, hypothetically the Browns win the next say, 6 in a row to do it for you?

    But if that were the case wouldn't there then be no rivalry because the Steelers would be no match for the Browns?

    No, winning that game was the blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while....and even if the Briowns win the next 6 games in a row...the series has been so un-competitive for so long it would take years to establish again....Rivalry's develope over time and are recognized thruout the league based on the competitvness and history of the teams back and forth copetition...the Browns have been back for so long, they'll need a decade of forth to establish the rivalry again.

    @gmp said:

    No, winning that game was the blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while....and even if the Briowns win the next 6 games in a row...the series has been so un-competitive for so long it would take years to establish again....Rivalry's develope over time and are recognized thruout the league based on the competitvness and history of the teams back and forth copetition...the Browns have been back for so long, they'll need a decade of forth to establish the rivalry again.

    I say it will depend on the quality of wins. For example we all remember the Browns Bengals shootout of 07 and there was another one before that. If we get some of those it's sure to pump some life back into the rivalry. Or even some defensive struggles like the at "blind squirrel finding a nut" game. It depends on those things. The year we went 10-6 what made the last bout with the Steelers an exciting one was that we had gotten so much better between the first meeting and the second. Yeah I know we ultimately lost but you gotta admit it was an exciting game. I will say this though the 41-9's the 43-0's or 28-10's have got to stop.

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