Are Fans Starting To Jump Ship?
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I remember a certain team in 2007 that lost to a division rival 34-7 and went on to lose two more games after that and they screamed mutiny too. Then that same certain team went on to a 10-6 record and narrowly missed the playoffs. All the screams for mutiny were silenced at least for a season. So all this I'm jumping ship stuff...feel free...we'll see you when we're 10-6 or 11-5. I'm not a clairvoyant so I can't say the same will happen this season as it did in 07 but my point is we have a very fickle fan base especially considering how many times the reset button has been hit. I feel like I'm playing my cousin in Tecmo Bowl sometimes when discussing football with some of you. Things not going so well let's quit or hit the reset button again. Jim Fassel once said "If you want in...get in. If you want out....get out. Kay?"
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I'll never jump ship but I don't go out of my way to watch the games, NFL ticket in bars here in NY, once they are 1-5 or 2-6. I'm on the fence this year about the Browns. I will say I have always liked the Vikings but they are the Browns with Peterson on the roster..
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You know, yinz guys love to piss and moan about the Steeler fanbase being "bandwagon". If you kept your fanbase honest, maybe there wouldn't be as many bandwagoners the Steeler fold.
... just sayin.
Regards...
... an'at
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I remember a certain team in 2007 that lost to a division rival 34-7 and went on to lose two more games after that and they screamed mutiny too. Then that same certain team went on to a 10-6 record and narrowly missed the playoffs. All the screams for mutiny were silenced at least for a season. So all this I'm jumping ship stuff...feel free...we'll see you when we're 10-6 or 11-5. I'm not a clairvoyant so I can't say the same will happen this season as it did in 07 but my point is we have a very fickle fan base especially considering how many times the reset button has been hit. I feel like I'm playing my cousin in Tecmo Bowl sometimes when discussing football with some of you. Things not going so well let's quit or hit the reset button again. Jim Fassel once said "If you want in...get in. If you want out....get out. Kay?"
I remember a certain team in 2007 that lost to a division rival 34-7 and went on to lose two more games after that and they screamed mutiny too. Then that same certain team went on to a 10-6 record and narrowly missed the playoffs. All the screams for mutiny were silenced at least for a season. So all this I'm jumping ship stuff...feel free...we'll see you when we're 10-6 or 11-5. I'm not a clairvoyant so I can't say the same will happen this season as it did in 07 but my point is we have a very fickle fan base especially considering how many times the reset button has been hit. I feel like I'm playing my cousin in Tecmo Bowl sometimes when discussing football with some of you. Things not going so well let's quit or hit the reset button again. Jim Fassel once said "If you want in...get in. If you want out....get out. Kay?"
You're right about the team that lost 34-7 on opening day...the difference is that team lost to the Steelers on opening day, not a team picked to finish near the bottom of the league. However, that 2007 team came back the very next week and beat Cincinatti 51-41 and that was the start of a fun season (until Anderception showed up in Cincy in December). I'm not jumping ship yet, but the Colts looked HORRIFIC yesterday and we should win this game. We lose to them, we may as well start thinking about who we take in the top 5 of next years draft and I'll start debating whether I'm even going to go to the game when I'm in Cleveland in November.
It's not so much that we lost the first one of 16...it's the way it was lost. The first quarter looked like a pee wee football team out there. We were lucky to stil be in the game. Baltimore or Pittsburth (despite how shitty they looked yesterday) would've put up 21 on us in the first quarter and won by 30.
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I remember a certain team in 2007 that lost to a division rival 34-7 and went on to lose two more games after that and they screamed mutiny too. Then that same certain team went on to a 10-6 record and narrowly missed the playoffs. All the screams for mutiny were silenced at least for a season. So all this I'm jumping ship stuff...feel free...we'll see you when we're 10-6 or 11-5. I'm not a clairvoyant so I can't say the same will happen this season as it did in 07 but my point is we have a very fickle fan base especially considering how many times the reset button has been hit. I feel like I'm playing my cousin in Tecmo Bowl sometimes when discussing football with some of you. Things not going so well let's quit or hit the reset button again. Jim Fassel once said "If you want in...get in. If you want out....get out. Kay?"
You're right about the team that lost 34-7 on opening day...the difference is that team lost to the Steelers on opening day, not a team picked to finish near the bottom of the league. However, that 2007 team came back the very next week and beat Cincinatti 51-41 and that was the start of a fun season (until Anderception showed up in Cincy in December). I'm not jumping ship yet, but the Colts looked HORRIFIC yesterday and we should win this game. We lose to them, we may as well start thinking about who we take in the top 5 of next years draft and I'll start debating whether I'm even going to go to the game when I'm in Cleveland in November.
It's not so much that we lost the first one of 16...it's the way it was lost. The first quarter looked like a pee wee football team out there. We were lucky to stil be in the game. Baltimore or Pittsburth (despite how shitty they looked yesterday) would've put up 21 on us in the first quarter and won by 30.
You're right about the team that lost 34-7 on opening day...the difference is that team lost to the Steelers on opening day, not a team picked to finish near the bottom of the league. However, that 2007 team came back the very next week and beat Cincinatti 51-41 and that was the start of a fun season (until Anderception showed up in Cincy in December). I'm not jumping ship yet, but the Colts looked HORRIFIC yesterday and we should win this game. We lose to them, we may as well start thinking about who we take in the top 5 of next years draft and I'll start debating whether I'm even going to go to the game when I'm in Cleveland in November.
It's not so much that we lost the first one of 16...it's the way it was lost. The first quarter looked like a pee wee football team out there. We were lucky to stil be in the game. Baltimore or Pittsburth (despite how shitty they looked yesterday) would've put up 21 on us in the first quarter and won by 30.
Gotta agree with you on the Baltimore/Pittsburgh thing. "Anderception" LMAO...that will never get old and I remember that from like the 08-09 campaign. I feel ya man seriously I do. But damn can we commit to one front office, to one coaching staff, and to a group of players until this thing takes a significant turn for the better? The whole starting over after a season or two...not gonna fly. Championship teams are not built like that. I think wise spending in free agency is a good thing the best example of a bottom feeding team turned to gold is the New Orleans Saints. They did it by wisely spending in free agency and drafting well. Not spending at all I agree not the wisest of decisions but that train left the station months ago. Maybe if this continues this year (preferably not)this new FO and coaching staff will take a shot at free agency. Even if this season is a success...there's still a lot of room for improvement. But the interchange of management and coaching will only add to the woes just as it has these last 12 years.
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Where does this jump ship crap come from? You either did along time ago or you never will! These fans aren't going anywhere, their falling back into reality. I wouldn't dare pencil in a win for any Browns team for the past decade, but I have certain amount of expectations. Well lets just say they were too high. Who knew fielding a defense before the other team snaps the ball was reaching too far?
Seriously, that was unacceptable. I watched almost every game to some capacity. There were rookie coaches and players, lockout rust, miscommunication, etc. in many games, but the Browns didn't even look like a NFL team at times. That I will not accept as a fan.
If I can't expect basic professional coaching ability, what can I expect? This dude is supposed to be the missing link to the best system we've ever had and he starts out looking worse than Josh FCCKING McDaniels. Yeah, I know they'll get better, I mean how can't they? Yeah, the season ain't over yet, but this FO can't send us to a worse record with THEIR guys and have fantastical ideas that we will be happy with this crap. A few more weeks of that and it will be a long climb back to respectability.
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Formerly Sane said:
This would be the worst time in that last 30 years to jump ship!
I love to laugh and make fun of the idiots here who predict the same impossible things week in and week out, year in and year out.......and the idiots who buy in to it. But for the first time in a very long time there is the foundation of system in place.
Now would be the worst time to jump ship......just don't expect things to happen overnight.....sit back, look for small things like a coach who has control, players playing for the team rather than themselves, schemes that make the best of the talent on the field while a "style" is being developed, small improvement in key areas, etc
Stop listening to the cheerleaders....stop watching the scoreboard......and stop believing that "it's your turn".......the NFL doesn't give turns.
Ghoolie's been blowing smoke, but there has been incremental progress. Two years ago I said the Browns didn't have a defensive player that could start for the Steelers, and now there's several, Joe Haden being the most notable. There's a philosophy where we want to go, and the last two drafts have been solid. Unfortunately it may take a couple more. And to the jump shippers- to win it all, you not only have to be good, sometimes a little (or a lot) of luck comes into play. You replay Super Bowl XLII 100 times, and I say the Patriots beat the Giants 90% of the time. The young 'uns wouldn't remember, but us old timers do- when the Browns won their Championship in 1964, they were huge underdogs.
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I haven't jumped ship--my heart will always be with the Browns. I was pissed off after Sundays' debacle--but I wasn't the least bit surprised. I was watching the game w/my brother-in-law, who is a Steelers fan and down in the dumps over their game. With 6 minutes left he said, "You're doing OK--you're up 17-13". Without thinking I said "Yeah, but when there are 2 minutes left in the game we'll be down 20-17 and throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 8." I'm like a lot of other posters--I love the Browns but the games are starting to mean less and less emotionally. My wife asked me 3 years ago how I can continuously watch a team that has sucked so bad for so long. I gave her the stock answer--"It's a Cleveland thing."
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Formerly Sane said:
This would be the worst time in that last 30 years to jump ship!
I love to laugh and make fun of the idiots here who predict the same impossible things week in and week out, year in and year out.......and the idiots who buy in to it. But for the first time in a very long time there is the foundation of system in place.
Now would be the worst time to jump ship......just don't expect things to happen overnight.....sit back, look for small things like a coach who has control, players playing for the team rather than themselves, schemes that make the best of the talent on the field while a "style" is being developed, small improvement in key areas, etc
Stop listening to the cheerleaders....stop watching the scoreboard......and stop believing that "it's your turn".......the NFL doesn't give turns.
Ghoolie's been blowing smoke, but there has been incremental progress. Two years ago I said the Browns didn't have a defensive player that could start for the Steelers, and now there's several, Joe Haden being the most notable. There's a philosophy where we want to go, and the last two drafts have been solid. Unfortunately it may take a couple more. And to the jump shippers- to win it all, you not only have to be good, sometimes a little (or a lot) of luck comes into play. You replay Super Bowl XLII 100 times, and I say the Patriots beat the Giants 90% of the time. The young 'uns wouldn't remember, but us old timers do- when the Browns won their Championship in 1964, they were huge underdogs.
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Ghoolie's been blowing smoke, but there has been incremental progress. Two years ago I said the Browns didn't have a defensive player that could start for the Steelers, and now there's several, Joe Haden being the most notable. There's a philosophy where we want to go, and the last two drafts have been solid. Unfortunately it may take a couple more. And to the jump shippers- to win it all, you not only have to be good, sometimes a little (or a lot) of luck comes into play. You replay Super Bowl XLII 100 times, and I say the Patriots beat the Giants 90% of the time. The young 'uns wouldn't remember, but us old timers do- when the Browns won their Championship in 1964, they were huge underdogs.
Ghoolie's been blowing smoke lol yes is an understatement. But his fundamental arguement is spot on, and your guys explanation/comeback for his argument is exactly right as well.
Ghoolie in a nut shell is saying: We have a major lack n talent across the board on our team
Which is absolutely true...notice across the board...sure we have a few exceptional players, but majority not good enough
What your saying along with a lot others is: It takes time, we have a new coaching staff, new system we all just have to be patient for a few more years n build through the draft n FA market.
Thats very true as well
All n all we've had since 1999 to bulid through the draft n FA market and havent done soo...yes its frustrating as hell...we always have "new coaches" "new system" "new ideas" im tired of holding on the these "new" things as hope that a few years down the road it will work out. And maybe this time it will! God knows we're all hoping. Lets get rid of the hoping and put some talented players out on the field and give us a chance to win every game and make things a lot easier on the coaching staff.
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Our OLine was terrible, our defense fell asleep during the most important part of the game.
Just think, you'll probably get your swagger back after playing the colts. Any team in the nfl, and probably most college teams will beat the colts right now. They are horrifically bad. Enjoy your win next week.
Just think, you'll probably get your swagger back after playing the colts. Any team in the nfl, and probably most college teams will beat the colts right now. They are horrifically bad. Enjoy your win next week.
Hey guy- if we can lose to the Bengals backup quarterback- we can certainly lose to yours.
Personally, I'd at least bet heavy on the Colts to cover. Add in I will be in attendance @ the game with my better half AKA "The Curse" in tow. The story is back in 1986 during the great Browns-Jets double overtime win, when all appeared lost, the wifie prayed- "Lord if you let the Browns win this game I don't care if I ever see them win another one". Request granted. For the next 20+ years didn't matter who the Browns were playing, or what city she went to, Indy- Detroit- Cinci- KC- it was an automatic loss. A few years back we thought the Curse was broken after she saw Cleveland beat- none other than- the Jets. However, she's been 0-fer since, so I'm not getting my hopes up too high. -
(Most) everyone on here is a friggin joke. You guys call yourselves fans? IT WAS ONE GAME. I am ashamed to share the same message board with a few of you. Some of you have it right, but c'mon seriously? One game at a time people. For you others bitching and moaning that you dont like the Browns anymore or can't handle it, you can kindly go join this motherxxxxer. Sianara.
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(Most) everyone on here is a friggin joke. You guys call yourselves fans? IT WAS ONE GAME. I am ashamed to share the same message board with a few of you. Some of you have it right, but c'mon seriously? One game at a time people. For you others bitching and moaning that you dont like the Browns anymore or can't handle it, you can kindly go join this motherxxxxer. Sianara.
(Most) everyone on here is a friggin joke. You guys call yourselves fans? IT WAS ONE GAME. I am ashamed to share the same message board with a few of you. Some of you have it right, but c'mon seriously? One game at a time people. For you others bitching and moaning that you dont like the Browns anymore or can't handle it, you can kindly go join this motherxxxxer. Sianara.
So let me guess, we shouldn't expect a professional team to show till week 4 or 5? Then you'll give us the right to be angry because you'll be too? Whatever. Its embarrassing that your expectations are less than a professional level.
I'll cheer when they do good, and bitch when they do bad. The fact that you cheer for both doesn't make you a better fan.
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(Most) everyone on here is a friggin joke. You guys call yourselves fans? IT WAS ONE GAME. I am ashamed to share the same message board with a few of you. Some of you have it right, but c'mon seriously? One game at a time people. For you others bitching and moaning that you dont like the Browns anymore or can't handle it, you can kindly go join this motherxxxxer. Sianara.
So let me guess, we shouldn't expect a professional team to show till week 4 or 5? Then you'll give us the right to be angry because you'll be too? Whatever. Its embarrassing that your expectations are less than a professional level.
I'll cheer when they do good, and bitch when they do bad. The fact that you cheer for both doesn't make you a better fan.
So let me guess, we shouldn't expect a professional team to show till week 4 or 5? Then you'll give us the right to be angry because you'll be too? Whatever. Its embarrassing that your expectations are less than a professional level.
I'll cheer when they do good, and bitch when they do bad. The fact that you cheer for both doesn't make you a better fan.
You are allowed to be angry and disappointed after the first game. I never said you weren't. But there are many different levels of emotions, and alot of you have gone to levels which validate some irrational thinking.
Smoke some weed.
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Ghoolie's been blowing smoke, but there has been incremental progress. Two years ago I said the Browns didn't have a defensive player that could start for the Steelers, and now there's several, Joe Haden being the most notable. There's a philosophy where we want to go, and the last two drafts have been solid. Unfortunately it may take a couple more. And to the jump shippers- to win it all, you not only have to be good, sometimes a little (or a lot) of luck comes into play. You replay Super Bowl XLII 100 times, and I say the Patriots beat the Giants 90% of the time. The young 'uns wouldn't remember, but us old timers do- when the Browns won their Championship in 1964, they were huge underdogs.
Ghoolie's been blowing smoke lol yes is an understatement. But his fundamental arguement is spot on, and your guys explanation/comeback for his argument is exactly right as well.
Ghoolie in a nut shell is saying: We have a major lack n talent across the board on our team
Which is absolutely true...notice across the board...sure we have a few exceptional players, but majority not good enough
What your saying along with a lot others is: It takes time, we have a new coaching staff, new system we all just have to be patient for a few more years n build through the draft n FA market.
Thats very true as well
All n all we've had since 1999 to bulid through the draft n FA market and havent done soo...yes its frustrating as hell...we always have "new coaches" "new system" "new ideas" im tired of holding on the these "new" things as hope that a few years down the road it will work out. And maybe this time it will! God knows we're all hoping. Lets get rid of the hoping and put some talented players out on the field and give us a chance to win every game and make things a lot easier on the coaching staff.
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Ghoolie's been blowing smoke lol yes is an understatement. But his fundamental arguement is spot on, and your guys explanation/comeback for his argument is exactly right as well.
Ghoolie in a nut shell is saying: We have a major lack n talent across the board on our team
Which is absolutely true...notice across the board...sure we have a few exceptional players, but majority not good enough
What your saying along with a lot others is: It takes time, we have a new coaching staff, new system we all just have to be patient for a few more years n build through the draft n FA market.
Thats very true as well
All n all we've had since 1999 to bulid through the draft n FA market and havent done soo...yes its frustrating as hell...we always have "new coaches" "new system" "new ideas" im tired of holding on the these "new" things as hope that a few years down the road it will work out. And maybe this time it will! God knows we're all hoping. Lets get rid of the hoping and put some talented players out on the field and give us a chance to win every game and make things a lot easier on the coaching staff.
OK, we'll wait a few years, then what if it all blows up in our faces again?! A new regime will come in, then all of you will be clamoring for us to "wait another few years" again.
F-that!
WIN NOW DAMN IT! IM SICK OF IT!
Get some TALENT on this team, hit the free agency HARD and make a run at it. Waiting 2-4 years for a contender is bullshit! NEXT year playoffs, or this team is a bust like it has been in past years. Other teams do it, why can't we?
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I became a Browns fan last season for obvious reasons. They were fun to watch.
I was terribly disappointed with the change of coaching staff, which combined with the lockout virtually guaranteed that the 2011 Browns would take a step backward. But I did expect them to at least beat CIN.
It's too early to make any firm decisions on the Browns progress this season. . . . actually, I have not even watched the game yet. . so, I will have a more enlightened post after I watch the film.
From the statistics, it looks as though the Browns went pass-happy, which would be OK if they were NE, NO, GB . . . but they are not.
But anyways. . . time to watch the film.
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Real fans cant jump ship we just keep sinking with it groundhog day style hoping beyond hope that the next regime or the next savior QB will save the day but over and over the new regimes make bad decisions and or dont provide the QB with all the tools they need or in some cases the browns regimes fail to address QB issues at all..
Until some of fagini's first year draft mistakes are rectified it will be hard for any QB to win with this team..
H&H are moving like slugs in salt at addressing key issues like bringing in some speedy WRs and or by being cheap and bringing in poor or expired talent on the offense and expecting mccoy as a mere journeyman QB to deal with it..
Manning, rodgers nor brees could deal with this rubbish o-line and slow WR set..
What i and many would like to see is this regime actually address these issues in a serious and timely manner, there was far better options available even on the cheap that this regime passed on in order to keep some very questionable WRs, FBs and OL on the roster..
A quick ultra over conservative cheap fix for this penny pinching regimes speed problem would be finding a way to get armond smith and mitchell in the game at least they can force DBs to move at full speed instead of sprinting at half speed to blanket cover slowbiskie and sloMo..
Its hard to throw a pinpoint strike to a slow moving blanket covered WR when you are running for your life..
I am trying to be patient but this regime has went from blunt and brash to candy coated coverups of poor decision making and some poor player evaluations, just admit you made some mistakes and then efficiently fix the shit, nobody is buying the excuses or eating the koolaid coated candy, this fanbase has tolerated 12 years of this shit from regimes that have had no owner looking over their shoulder on behalf of the best interest of the organization or its fans..
Every new regime is a fresh new canvas to be painted with no vision, direction or longterm plan for success from the owner unlike the most successful clubs..
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The Browns are FINALLY on the RIGHT TRACK. I'd think that would be encouraging to everybody, but no.
There are some who are apparently frantically using the last year? of opportunity to bitch.
If that makes ya happy, that's sad, you know? I'm tired of some folks looking back at the past,
"we turn the wrong way back then, then we turned the wrong way a year later, then we..." blah blah baloney.
the Browns have had two outstanding drafts, the last year's draft being exceptional.
Little needs a more prominent role, and I'd think that Smith coming out of the backfield once in a while
would be good for a TD or huge gain once in a while.
Our secondary is one player away from being one of the NFL's top ten maybe.
I don't believe the Browns even HAVE a RT on the roster. Pinston was suffering starting rookie blues, and Orien - well
offhand, I think he's better than St. Claire was, not as good as Pashos. Lauvao got schooled a few times badly - I think he
was trying to help the RT if he could....
Right track the last two years, we are on our way. so the past has been a disaster, lost and screwed up time spent.
"Not no more".
Get excited, this team is really going to be something, maybe even this season, a good bit. We'll see. "The times, they are a-changin" Just let the past be, says I.
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I agree. My feeling is that they are heading in the right direction and the FO staff along with the coaches are the right ones. I haven't thought that before except for a short time with Butch. I believe Shurmer will be a good coach and that Colt will be a great QB. The patch-work O-line was the issue last week along with punting.
Last weeks just looked all to familiar to Browns fans and that's what started the jumping ship talk.
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